Anyone here a friend of Bill W or Dr. Bob?

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Just a survey... PM or respond publically if you know these two wonderfull people! They saved my life, and I just would like to give a shout out to others who have been helped...

God Bless You All,
Mike
 
Just a survey... PM or respond publically if you know these two wonderfull people! They saved my life, and I just would like to give a shout out to others who have been helped...

God Bless You All,
Mike

Always glad to hear a success story.

I've known three people that have seen Bill W.

One is now happier than she's ever been. One has to go back and see him every few years. One is no longer with us.

Great to hear that you've been helped. Go well, and God Bless.
 
Great to hear someone who has it... These men saved my life, and many of my friends... I too have lost people... One person I knew was 28 years old, and stopped visiting us for one and a half week. He never came back because a man put a gun to his head and...

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Friends of Bill and Bob are everywhere... I occassionally like to see who's where, doing what, and to let people know that we are everywhere:)

Thanks for your response...
But for the grace of god I will hear from more people:)

God Bless You Always,
Mike
 
Yes well unfortunately for some people things are a lot more bizzare and gets ousted by society.

They don’t even know what I’m talking about! If they did know what I’m talking about, which wouldn’t be hard to find out, and they still think poorly of me or others, then that is their problem and not mine.

It is guarantied that they have people in their lives that have been touched by these men!

Many people here should start to look into these men’s lives, and many more have already done so. I am proud have worked with these men’s ideas and to have put them in practice of my own lives.

For myself; I now live a life that allot of people could only dream of. I work every day to improve myself and my life. I work everyday on helping people every day. I answer forums and seek out any chance I can to help another man/woman. I work every day with those who need and want to learn about these men. I save, and give, peoples lives back. I am proud of that fact.

I love how my life has been changed!

Maybe those who don’t know what I’m talking about should read some of what they, and 100 of their fellow men, have written. Just go down to a bookstore or a library and ask for the big book, and read it (even if you don’t think the book is for you). If you want, for free, you can read the entire Big Book online, or listen to the audio version. You can download it yourself, burn it to CD and listen to it in your car or house. I guess you can say that the Big Book is one of the first open source documents ever written.

I expect that this thread will slowly grow even after I stop working on Toms Hardware. It will happen, but because of the traffic this specific forum receives it may take awhile.

Their are more then 1 million of us, and we are growing every day! We are doctors, CEO's, Priests, Pastors, Brick Layers, you name it...

Go ahead and flame me, it won’t prevent people from responding.

Most of us just don’t care about being ridiculed by the ignorant. Especially if their is the SMALLEST chance someone will read what I am saying and opens their mind, and their lives...

Mike
 
ok, bored here, and googled them.

You went to AA... congrats.

Not sure why you posted this. Either to get attention, or to make yourself look special?

We all have our own demons to face, or have faced. You faced yours.

Here's your cookie.
 
ok, bored here, and googled them.

You went to AA... congrats.

Not sure why you posted this. Either to get attention, or to make yourself look special?

We all have our own demons to face, or have faced. You faced yours.

Here's your cookie.

Very good, you can read:)

But I didnt do it to make me look "special"... and how would beign an alcholic make me "special"... 5% of all people are alchoolic... and though Im not ashamed that I am an alchoolic, I do not go around with AA written on my forhead. In fact, the title of this thread is writen in a way that will most likely NOT draw attention from people who are not in the program.

I wanted to see others who would read this forum and that are also recovering alchoolics. Why? Because I like to meet people who are in the program. I also dont find many computer geeks in the rooms of AA... So It would be nice to chat with a few people who have both of these things incomon with me.

See Life for me is God, Staying Sober, The Fellowship, Helping People, and computers... In about that order too.

Unfortunately, CHEEZball, the world doesnt revolve around you, and that this thread wasnt intended for you, unless you have a problem with drinking or drugs.

Mike
 
Just looked like attention whoring to me


how did i make this look like it was to revolve around me?

Yep, it is an attempt to get attention... But only from recovering Alcholics interested in computers...

As for the second question, I cant answer that... Just a feeling that I got...

Anyways, AA has changed my life. It gave me a guide on how to live life. I tried living life my way, and it didnt work... I ended up wanting to die... If it wasnt for AA I wouldnt have been able to stay sober, and I would have killed myself.

So I ask you... Why shouldnt I be excited about it?

Also why are you not happy for me and the other people who read this post?

Like I said earlier... I knew a kid my age... 28 years old... was sober 1 and a half years, his life was great... but for some reason he decided to go back out and use... 1 and a half weeks later... 10 days exactly, he was shot in the head by someones brother who he was using with.

The only people to show up to his funeral was AA members and his Mother. All of the rest of his family hadnt forgiven him for his 15 years of stealing, lieing and destruction. (He started drinking at age 13)

So what if some alchoolic or drug addict at the end of their rope, reads this and it leads them to AA, instead of in Jail, an insaine asylum or dead?

What if in 10 years something turns you too become an Alchoolic, and after you become tired and warn out, you remember this conversation and you decide to try out AA...

Mike
 
Like I said, we all have battled/will battle our own personal demons.

Typically one is private about that.

Why should I be ashamed of a very common illness? Would you be ashamed if you found out you had cancer?

Alcoholism is only a demon if it’s untreated. Unfortunately so many people are unable to get/accept help from this problem and they become like I was... They loose what makes them human and become an evil shell...

I am a productive member of society, and I hope, and pray that I do gods will every day. I am not Christian, Muslim, and Jewish or any religion... I believe in a god, and that’s it... I never try to make someone believe what I do, and in AA, I have never been pressured into believing in what they do.

I volunteer as an EMT, I do large amounts of service work (Last week I helped build 3 baseball fields for inner city kids), and I do everything I can to give back to my fellow man. I do so, because my god is a loving god, and would want nothing more from me.

AA has required me to completely change my life, and I did so with the utmost enthusiasm. AA has given me a relationship with god, and a meaning to my life.

Most of the people who are long term AA members are the most amazing, nicest and wonderful people I have ever met. They have been working everyday for years on improving themselves. How many people do you know who do this?

I can go to any city or any town... look up on the internet, show up at a meeting, and make 5 friends in 1 hour... I have been taken out to dinner by total strangers, and we had a great time... I of course tried to pay, but they grabbed the bill first :)

Everywhere I go, I know someone... I can’t drive down the street any more without seeing a friend from AA... What a wonderful thing it is...

Everything I mentioned above, I mentioned for a reason... it’s not to brag, but to try and show you and others what AA is about. It’s not a bunch of drunks talking in a circle about how miserable our lives are... Instead it’s a bunch of drunks and ex-drunks talking about how to make our lives better, and celebrate what we have. I love meetings where I walk out crying, because I have been laughing so hard...

I will try and answer your questions, and respond to your statements the best I can... unfortunately I am not the best writer in the world... I am taking allot of time to write these statements, but I will no doubt give the program of AA unfair representation. I recommend you read the big book... Even if you’re not an Alcoholic... Even if you never drank a sip in your life... For I believe it is a total guide to living, and it does allot better job at it then I am.

I want to change people’s perceptions about alcoholism, so that people who are suffering from alcoholism are not ashamed to seek help. Shame kills more people then anything else. They would rather steel, rob and kill themselves, rather then admit that they are alcoholics

I am a proud member of AA.

Mike
 
CHEEZball, there is no one who can tell you how to live, and there is no one single way to gain happyness. I have found my way to be happy, and I am glad. (its more like Serenity, then happiness...)

If you ever find yourself becoming too close to your parents, then AA will always be there for you. Try Sending your mother a Big Book... Maybe it will help. Probably wont do something right away... she most likely will get angry and throw it away... Maybe she will read it, then throw it away... Maybe she will keep it and use it to keep her beer from marking the table.

But sometimes I hear people who have had family members send them books, and they responded to any of the above mentioned ways. They now acknowledged that it was one of thoose things that planted a seed... and years later that seed grew...

I will at least include your mother, father and you in my prayers... I cant say if it will do any good, though it cant hurt:) God seems to do what he wants, and when we ask him for something he often gives it to us. Sometimes we ask him for something and he gives it to us, then we find out we really didnt want it and that it becomes a major burden. hehehehe... Or sometimes he has better and bigger plans...

I always said, if I pray every night for a Great Car. I will always find myself disapointed in the morning when its not there. But if I pray for something unselfish, and work hard at my role in life, then that car has a very good chance at showing up...

I usually only pray only for others, and to ask him for strength to do his will... I find that most of the time I dont know what his will is, so I try my best, and ask him to help me...

BTW, I dont really want a great car... Just a place to hang my hat, a few AA meetings, a TV, internet access, friends, and a computer. Guess god has given me everything I ever wanted...

My Story

College, parties, Drinking, Pot, acid, many other drugs... Great time...

Got out of school, got a job... wasnt really an addict at this time... at least I didnt have much consiquences from it...

Lost my job, had a bitch for a Girl Friend... Started drinking and drugging every day, morning to night... Eventually the bitch left, and I was all alone...

I ended up in a day treatment program... My life got so good... The Day treatment program ended after a year, and I graduated with a year of sobriety. I didnt go to meetings... and I didnt have any reminder of who I was and where I came from. I forgot about improving myself... 4 months later I went out drinking again...

I was out drinking and drugging for about 1/2 year... started slowly, then quickly went full steam...

Then I hit a real rock bottom... Im not talking about small depression, ohh woo is me... I lost my mind... I almost killed someone with a hammer... I was suicidal and homicidal... I just didnt Care about anything... I would be in nasty neighborhoods, and people would come up to rob me... and I would say F-U... They point a gun to my head, and I told them to shoot, cause your not getting a penny from me... I told them to never f#@$ with a man who has nothing to loose! The man ran away. Im not a big guy either:)

Somehow I ended up in another Noris Clinic (inpatient rehab)... Probably having to do with a suicide attempt... but who knows... hehe

I would never have thought that I would be talking about god... I hated God... I listened to NIN and said F-U God... Thats if I even acknowledged that I beleived in him... I hated people of religion, always killing each other, in the name of God.

There was so many reasons why I didnt accept god into my life...

I came out of that 4 weeks of rehab willing to do ANYTHING. I was told to go to AA, and that AA works the best for staying sober... I went to AA, and they told me to pray, get a home group, get a sponser, do service work, and go to meetings... I did it all...

When I prayed I didnt even know who I was praying too... I didnt even pray to a god, just prayed cause they told me too... If they told me to Jump, I would have asked "How high?"...

I saw they accepted god, and that they where happy. So I worked hard at accepting god into my life... The Big Book and the Twelve and Twelve helped allot... and hearing people talk about god, and beign told to pray, etc... Eventually I found myself with a profound beleif...

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I mention this, because I am an intellectual, and I use to find myself caught in phylosophical discussions... and these discussions would go no where but in circles...

Some questions had scientific explinations, but it simply didnt explain the basics... Why should I live? What is the purpose of Life? What do I want to do with my life? etc...

I could debates these thing with you for years, and unless someone mentions god, these debates will continue to go around in circle... See you cant argue with the answer.

Why should I live? Cause of God...

What is the purpose of Life? To do my best, which my god defines...

What do I do with my Life? What ever god gives me the ability to do, I will do to the best of my ability.

Now we can have a discussion if god exists, and cound debate it for years... but no one knows... Just got to beleive or not to...

I also find it interesting that the greatest physicist's in the past and present, all beleive in god, and are/or where searching for the way in which he works.


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I didnt spend the large amount of time I did on the other writings... Im tired... so please dont pick it appart to much:)

Mike