Anyone installed the AMD Sempron 2800+

[bjpatrick]

Just wondering if anyone has installed an AMD Sempron 2800+ or 3100+. Up in the air whether to get a XP or a Sempron. I have read the review on this site about the semprons but that did not give me enough information. There are a couple of reviews over at newegg but not enough information for me.

 

[Blasphemy]

Athlon XPs are getting replaced by Semprons...if you want to go that road grab a Sempron 3100+ for s754, it's basically an Athlon XP for a AMD64 system. The reviews I read say that it's a good solid chip too, so can't really go wrong.

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[bjpatrick]

Well, I'm not ready for the 64-bit ship just yet. Once prices really drop and Microsoft possesses about a year to get all of the bugs out of XP/Longhorn 64-bit edition. Then I'll worry about the next step. I would also like to see 64-bit applications out before upgrading to that platform.

I believe that the Sempron 2800+ will be quite an upgrade compared to a AMD XP 2000+.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by bjpatrick on 10/12/04 01:59 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[tombance]

The point is that the SK754 Sempron isnt 64bit, so It would be just like buying an AXp in a more advanced socket. You could then use the same mobo to upgrade to a 64bit chip later.

 

[Mr5oh]

Note that the 2800+ is still Socket A, the 3100+ is the first Sempron that is Socket754.

Personally, I'd take a 2800+ XP over a 2800+ Sempron anyday. I might still take a 2800+ XP over a 3100 Sempron too, even if the sempron is socket 754 (Have to study some benchmarks pretty hard before I made a chioce like that, I think it would be close).

The 3100+ does run at a slightly lower voltage than an XP, but runs less mhz, and has less L2 cache, however the 3100+ does have the one advantage of having the on-board memory controller.

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[Blasphemy]

At this point there's no advantage with upgrading a Socket A computer system. It makes more sense to go with the 754 or even 939, so for people who don't fully want to switch to Athlon 64s. the Sempron 3100+ is the best choice ATM with very good upgradability in the future. Also, there will be more Semprons coming out for 754 soon, so just wait a while to see what's next.

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[bjpatrick]

So, you do not believe that upgrading to an XP 2800+ or a Sampron 2800+ would really be a considerable performance increase from a XP 2000+?

 

[Blasphemy]

Upgrading to a 2800+ from a 2000+ is of course going to be a good upgrade, but you will have more room to upgrade going with a 3100+ Sempron because of the 754 platform. There simply isn't much upgradability with Socket A systems anymore.

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[ChipDeath]

XP 2000+ = 1.66Ghz, 256Kb Cache
Sempron 2800+ = 2Ghz, 256Kb Cache.

An upgrade, but not <i>that</i> huge. And since the Sempron 2800+ costs <i>more</i> than a Mobile XP 2500+, and both are available only in Socket A form, it would be pointless to buy the Sempron.

<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-401&depa=1" target="_new">XP-M 2500+</A>
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-104-206&depa=1" target="_new">Sempron 2800+</A>
Both OEM, Both from newegg.

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[bjpatrick]

This is an end of the road upgrade for the PC that I have. The PCs only purpose is to finish off graduate school and play some games to keep my sanity. Then I'll worry about getting a 64-bit machine. Plus, I usually do not have the fastest and greatest hardware anyway. Spent too many hours in front of my PC while in the I.T. industry. That is where the graduate degree comes into play. To make the great escape from the I.T. industry!

 

[Mr5oh]

I agree with ChipDeath, upgrading your current setup to a 2800+ Sempron is pointless. When you consider the performance gains you could make with an XP chip (especially overclocked), you might as well be throwing $100 out the window if you buy the Sempron. It is an upgrade, however, not a very good one, especially for the same price you could have a better Athlon XP chip, that runs faster, and has more L2 cache.

When you first built your XP setup, would you have bought a Duron? Same thing here, the Sempron is the new Duron, you want something that is going to be a real upgrade, the 2800+ Sempron is not the way to go.

Sorry, I just can't recommend a SocketA Sempron over an XP chip at the moment, espeically to someone wanting to upgrade an XP chip.

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[Nights_L]

Personnaly, I would say that upgrading from XP2000 to an Sempron 2800+ is pretty good deal,<b>if</b> you can get it cheap enough
First, the 333MHz boosts is quite big for a K7 family, plus Sempron comes with FSB333..which should even bring pc a little faster, if I had to choose betweeen Sempron 2800+ and Barton 2500+, I would take Sempron..simly because it has more MHZ, and in K7 processors, MHz has more impact on processor performance than its L2 Cache. (if not overclocked of course)
Not to desagree ur opinion thus..just speaking of my thought

 

[bjpatrick]

I'm going to go this route.
AMD Athlon XP 3000+ "Barton", 400 FSB, 512K Cache Processor - OEM


http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-394&depa=1

 

[Nights_L]

What kind of rams do you have in ur computer now?

 

[bjpatrick]

512 DDR 333 Kingston 2700

 

[cooll]

why pay for $130 for a lock cpu when you can get the unlock mobile xp for around $90. Unlock mobile xp can give you an instant 3200+ and it can go as high as 2.5 gig with little tweak.

 

[Spitfire_x86]

Sempron 2800+ is not much better than AXP 2000+.

Sempron 2800+ = 2 GHz, 333 MHz FSB, 256k L2 cache
AXP 2000+ = 1.67 GHz, 266 MHz FSB, 256k L2 cache

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[ChipDeath]

I would advise against buying a 400FSB chip, as your RAM is not rated for that speed, so you may not be able to run the RAM in synch with the FSB.

A XP-M chip will give you lots of room to play around even with the slower RAM, because they come with an unlocked multiplier.

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[Nights_L]

Ditto

 

[bjpatrick]

Thanks folks. You people have been a big help and you know your stuff.


"cooll"

Plain and simple. I do not overclock by any means. Those chips were designed to run at a certain speed. And that is how I leave them.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by bjpatrick on 10/13/04 10:01 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[ChipDeath]

Those chips were designed to run at a certain speed. And that is how I leave them.

Only partially true... The <i>core</i> was designed with a certain speed in mind... The top one. Sometimes the lower speed chips are <i>slightly</i> defective so will only run at the lower speed grades, but usually they're just perfectly OK & just get downbinned to fill the product lineup properly.

There's no difference in the manufacturing process between a Barton 2500+ and a 3200+. The chips simply get their speed grades later on. Occasionally you get a batch of extremely good chips which stuck in the lowest speed grades. My 1700+ is one example - Stock speed is 1466Mhz, but it'll happily run at beyond 2250 Mhz. Probably more if I had better cooling. .

Still, if you don't want to overclock, then that's fine. To each their own.

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