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Apple's new M2 Pro and M2 Pro Max power refreshed MacBook Pros

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[jp7189]

They added 20% more cores and gained 20% more performance. I was hoping for more.

 

[PlaneInTheSky]

“80 percent faster than MacBook Pro with an Intel Core i9 processor.”

All while maintaining very low power consumption.

ARM is taking the sledgehammer to x86.

Can't wait for next gen's ARM on Windows systems. Hopefully Microsoft gets their act together, because Apple is in a league of its own right now.

 

[Heat_Fan89]

I picked up a base Mac Mini. I had to laugh at their presentation about the new M2 Pro being five times faster than the most powerful Intel desktops. Okay, lets see them run AAA PC games.

 

[Elusive Ruse]

Nvidia, AMD and Intel gotta take lessons from Apple on how to blow smoke up their own butts.

 

[RandomWan]

“80 percent faster than MacBook Pro with an Intel Core i9 processor.”

All while maintaining very low power consumption.

ARM is taking the sledgehammer to x86.

Can't wait for next gen's ARM on Windows systems. Hopefully Microsoft gets their act together, because Apple is in a league of its own right now.

That's a 9th gen processor and a claim of superiority at one task with no actual benchmark numbers to backup the claim. I'll wait for real world results against the latest in Intel/AMD.

 

[JamesJones44]

“80 percent faster than MacBook Pro with an Intel Core i9 processor.”

All while maintaining very low power consumption.

ARM is taking the sledgehammer to x86.

Can't wait for next gen's ARM on Windows systems. Hopefully Microsoft gets their act together, because Apple is in a league of its own right now.

I'm no Intel fan, but you are comparing Apple's brand new processor to an Intel processor that is 4 generations old. 80% isn't all that exciting when you are talking about 4 generations back.

 

[ezst036]

Okay, lets see them run AAA PC games.

If wanting to play games on a PC but stay away from Windows the best bet is to move to Linux. Apple hasn't seemed to take gaming seriously for many years and the move to ARM introduces a complication. Meanwhile Valve is extremely hungry and doing everything it can to serve gaming customers and has been for well over a decade.

 

[zecoeco]

As I expected, minor improvements with the expense of power. This is how it is when you stay on the same node.

 

[hannibal]

“80 percent faster than MacBook Pro with an Intel Core i9 processor.”

All while maintaining very low power consumption.

ARM is taking the sledgehammer to x86.

Can't wait for next gen's ARM on Windows systems. Hopefully Microsoft gets their act together, because Apple is in a league of its own right now.

The problem of Windows is that it try to maintain compatibility with older programs... That makes it really hard to make good ARM windows (without losing that compatibility) So I don´t expect big jump of ARM in windows, unless you use Windows S or what ever that strip down Windows is at this moment.

 

[JamesJones44]

The problem of Windows is that it try to maintain compatibility with older programs... That makes it really hard to make good ARM windows (without losing that compatibility) So I don´t expect big jump of ARM in windows, unless you use Windows S or what ever that strip down Windows is at this moment.

I strongly disagree with this. When the first M1 Mac came out there was no ARM based software yet it ran everything the x86 versions did (all be it a slower than their later to come native counter parts). If MS invested the time and money into decent translation like Apple did, they could make it just as compatible as Apple did with their software.

 

[Heat_Fan89]

If wanting to play games on a PC but stay away from Windows the best bet is to move to Linux. Apple hasn't seemed to take gaming seriously for many years and the move to ARM introduces a complication. Meanwhile Valve is extremely hungry and doing everything it can to serve gaming customers and has been for well over a decade.

I’ve been gaming on PC’s since the early 90’s and Windows is still the premier platform for gaming. It’s not perfect because nothing ever is but I don’t have a problem with Windows.

Yes Linux is available to play games but gamers vote with their wallets and Windows is still king. Steam offers Linux games but it probably doesn’t register hardly at all in marketshare. I find things break less with commercial OS’s like mac OS and Windows versus Linux. I do have a Linux PC but I don’t game on it because developers mostly target Windows and not Linux.

 

[blppt]

If wanting to play games on a PC but stay away from Windows the best bet is to move to Linux. Apple hasn't seemed to take gaming seriously for many years and the move to ARM introduces a complication. Meanwhile Valve is extremely hungry and doing everything it can to serve gaming customers and has been for well over a decade.

Wine does work quite well on Mac, the problem is Apple in their typical closed-system nonsense refuse to support Vulkan, so if you want a linux-like DXVK experience, you have to make things even more complex with MoltenVK which converts Vulkan calls to Metal to make DXVK work.

 

[JohnS87]

I picked up a base Mac Mini. I had to laugh at their presentation about the new M2 Pro being five times faster than the most powerful Intel desktops. Okay, lets see them run AAA PC games.

It’s only funny to you because you misread the claim. They said five times faster than the best-selling Windows desktop.

 

[Lucky_SLS]

I strongly disagree with this. When the first M1 Mac came out there was no ARM based software yet it ran everything the x86 versions did (all be it a slower than their later to come native counter parts). If MS invested the time and money into decent translation like Apple did, they could make it just as compatible as Apple did with their software.

The problem is Apple has absolute control over their ecosystem and can lockout any dev not playing by their card. So all apple had to do was introduce rosetta first and wait for a few years for the devs to update their code. and the current crop of popular apps dont even run on legacy x86 code. I dont see this happening with Windows anytime soon...

 

[JamesJones44]

I’ve been gaming on PC’s since the early 90’s and Windows is still the premier platform for gaming. It’s not perfect because nothing ever is but I don’t have a problem with Windows.

Yes Linux is available to play games but gamers vote with their wallets and Windows is still king. Steam offers Linux games but it probably doesn’t register hardly at all in marketshare. I find things break less with commercial OS’s like mac OS and Windows versus Linux. I do have a Linux PC but I don’t game on it because developers mostly target Windows and not Linux.

The issue isn't wallets, it's legacy. If I could get all of my legacy games on Linux I would dump Windows in 2.2 seconds.

 

[RandomWan]

It’s only funny to you because you misread the claim. They said five times faster than the best-selling Windows desktop.

So 5x faster than what is probably a high, low-tier box. Marketing: Lying without actually lying.

 

[USAFRet]

It’s only funny to you because you misread the claim. They said five times faster than the best-selling Windows desktop.

5 times better than what, exactly?

 

[bit_user]

“80 percent faster than MacBook Pro with an Intel Core i9 processor.”

All while maintaining very low power consumption.

ARM is taking the sledgehammer to x86.

Okay, let's look at how they compare on a standardized workload.

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Source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/1704...hybrid-performance-brings-hybrid-complexity/7​

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Even Zen 3 outperformed the M1 Max @ single-threaded integer, and came close on fp. I wish they had an updated plot with data for Zen 4 and Raptor Lake. But, since Ian and Andre left Anandtech, the reviews lack both this plot with the overall averages as well as any Apple data.

Where you're spot-on is that Apple wins hands-down at perf/W.

 

[LordVile]

“80 percent faster than MacBook Pro with an Intel Core i9 processor.”

All while maintaining very low power consumption.

ARM is taking the sledgehammer to x86.

Can't wait for next gen's ARM on Windows systems. Hopefully Microsoft gets their act together, because Apple is in a league of its own right now.

Issue is they’re stuck with Qualcomm who aren’t exactly up there with apple

 

[bit_user]

The issue isn't wallets, it's legacy. If I could get all of my legacy games on Linux I would dump Windows in 2.2 seconds.

Isn't it the legacy games that tend to work best in Wine?

 

[LordVile]

Okay, let's look at how they compare on a standardized workload.

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Source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/1704...hybrid-performance-brings-hybrid-complexity/7​

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Even Zen 3 outperformed the M1 Max @ single-threaded integer, and came close on fp. I wish they had an updated plot with data for Zen 4 and Raptor Lake. But, since Ian and Andre left Anandtech, the reviews lack both this plot with the overall averages as well as any Apple data.

Where you're spot-on is that Apple wins hands-down at perf/W.

Is that test native to AS or is it running through Rosetta though?

 

[bit_user]

Issue is they’re stuck with Qualcomm who aren’t exactly up there with apple

Not yet, anyway. If/when the fabled Nuvia cores ever ship, they should close the gap.

 

[bit_user]

Is that test native to AS or is it running through Rosetta though?

Natively compiled. They're the same numbers as here:

Apple's M1 Pro, M1 Max SoCs Investigated: New Performance and Efficiency Heights

www.anandtech.com

However, that article notes that they used LLVM instead of XCode, in order to include the benchmarks requiring Fortran. It sounds like they tried XCode and found the C++ -only benchmarks performed about the same between it and LLVM11.

 

[Ogotai]

If wanting to play games on a PC but stay away from Windows the best bet is to move to Linux

yea um no thanks linux is still a niche OS used by those that have been using it for years already, for some one new to that os, they wont touch it, i know some who tried it, and well, they are back to windows.