Build Advice Approx. 800-1000$ Allround build - Advice needed

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Hi all, first post in this Forum but I think I'd like some verification/advice on my build.
I used to build my own Systems but the last one was years ago and it is hard to get a decent overview. I've read most of the guides here but I still can't completely make up my mind.
What I want: Allrounder, FHD Gaming (e.g. Total War Series, Witcher 3), Photoshop (not expert Level), Office use, silent build
What I don't Need: 4k, Fancy LED stuff, not really Looking into overclocking

Current configuration - parts to be replaced:
  • Intel Core I5 4440
  • Radeon R9 200 Series
  • 8 GB Memory
  • Asus Board (Z something series, does not really matter)
parts to be kept:
  • 600W Cooler Master ATX 2.3 Power Supply
  • 2 Samsung EVO 840 SDD
  • some SATA HD for storage
  • some SATA DVD drive
  • 2 24" FHD Benq Screens (HDMI , no DPort)
Now after some Research this is what I came up with so far (I won't bother with links, most pricing sites won't work for Austria anyway):
ASUS Prime Z390-A (shall I go with a Z Series if I don't really want to overclock - just picked it because the rest of the chipsets is a jungle to me...)
INTEL Core i5-9600K (because it was the i5 with the highest base frequency)
BE QUIET! Pure Rock Cooler
HyperX HX426C16FR2K2/16 Fury DDR4, 16GB (Kit 2x8GB), 2666MHz, CL16, DIMM XMP (is 2666 enough in this build?)
BE QUIET! Pure Base 600
ASUS Dual GeForce GTX 1660 Ti OC, DUAL-GTX1660TI-O6G, 6GB (here I'm struggling again. first wanted a RX580/590 but the GTX seems to be slightly better at Little Price difference and seems to consume less power. Also unsure which model to pick, one fan or two fan, three fan with LED stuff seems a bit pointless to me)

well that Pretty much sums it up. I didn't really consider an AMD CPU. Not sure why exactly but never had one in the past and also here (at least in the market I have Access to) the Prices for the same frequency are more or less similar.
Any help is much appreciated!
 
Going with the Ryzen 3000 series would be a good choice as well. Tom's has called the 3600X as the best processor in its price range. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-5-3600x-review,6245-11.html The advantage is similar gaming performance to the 9600K, better multithreaded performance, and where there isn't massive Intel optimizations (gaming) better single threaded performance as well.
 
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I would not reuse that PSU, as I highly doubt it is one of their quality ones. I would also go with a Ryzen 3600. The 6 core i5's apparently have some frametime variance issues, in newer titles, that the Ryzen does not encounter.

This is just something for reference.


PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.00 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool GAMMAXX 400R 74.34 CFM CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 GAMING X ATX AM4 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($88.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6 GB OC Video Card ($269.99 @ Amazon)
Case: be quiet! Pure Base 600 ATX Mid Tower Case ($97.00 @ B&H)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $989.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-05 17:31 EDT-0400
 
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I would not reuse that PSU, as I highly doubt it is one of their quality ones. I would also go with a Ryzen 3600. The 6 core i5's apparently have some frametime variance issues, in newer titles, that the Ryzen does not encounter.

This is just something for reference.


PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.00 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool GAMMAXX 400R 74.34 CFM CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 GAMING X ATX AM4 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($88.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6 GB OC Video Card ($269.99 @ Amazon)
Case: be quiet! Pure Base 600 ATX Mid Tower Case ($97.00 @ B&H)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $989.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-05 17:31 EDT-0400
thanks. PSU is a cooler master rs-600-acab-d3 - not sure how good that is, was around 80€ a couple years back.
Considering the Ryzen now on a Gigabyte board. Pretty much the same Price as the I5 anyway. still unsure About the Video Card - the Gigabyte would have been my first choice but it has 3 DP and one HDMI only, my screens have only HDMI. Is there any loss to be expected if a put one of them on a DP to HDMI cable?
Also the cooler does not seem to be easily availalbe via Amazon.de but I guess I'll find another one...
 
I am not really sure, it's a Benq GW2470H, according to specs: 1920 x 1080 @ 60Hz supporting neither Sync Standard.
If there's no intent to change the monitor for some time, then I'd think we could go with a lower spec and price on the video card.

That said, what's your exact video card currently? An R9 200 series could be anything from an R9 270 to an R9 295X2.
 

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Going with the Ryzen 3000 series would be a good choice as well. Tom's has called the 3600X as the best processor in its price range. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-5-3600x-review,6245-11.html The advantage is similar gaming performance to the 9600K, better multithreaded performance, and where there isn't massive Intel optimizations (gaming) better single threaded performance as well.
Hello,

I am just confused how we are expressing this 3600 or 3600x as similar:

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-9600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600/4031vs4040

Please don't be mislead by all the AMD fans that reflect everything in relation to price. Plus 6 more threads helps with playing one game and dong excel spreadsheet and surfing the web? I can almost bet this PC is to play fortnite? The i5-9600k would be better and the i5-9600KF is cheaper by 20 bucks and will even perform better then the 9600k but this is only for people that feel no need for integrated graphics and want to overclock. Overclocking has been made easy by almost all motherboard companies.

A simple over clock of the i5-9600K or F would for sure out preform the 3600 and 3600x.

Just do some research before accepting anything from anyone. Intel has better performance for gaming, AMD did bridge the gap but for a chip that was just released and it does not out perform the 9600k really does not make sense.
 

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I would not reuse that PSU, as I highly doubt it is one of their quality ones. I would also go with a Ryzen 3600. The 6 core i5's apparently have some frametime variance issues, in newer titles, that the Ryzen does not encounter.

This is just something for reference.


PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.00 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool GAMMAXX 400R 74.34 CFM CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 GAMING X ATX AM4 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($88.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6 GB OC Video Card ($269.99 @ Amazon)
Case: be quiet! Pure Base 600 ATX Mid Tower Case ($97.00 @ B&H)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $989.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-05 17:31 EDT-0400
This frametime variance can you show proof of it? I am just wondering how this claim is made without facts.

Thank you
 

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Hello Dawnbringer,

This is just a option build but you will get more frames then the upper builds:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BKWCsZ

I know you don't want to overclock and you don't even have too but if you need a little more performance in let say a year you could overclock and not need to upgrade right away as well.

Spend a little more on the GPU and it will do wonders when you upgrade your monitor:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/msi-optix-mag240vc-23-6-led-curved-fhd-freesync-monitor-black/6303794.p?skuId=6303794&ref=212&loc=1&ref=212&loc=1&ds_rl=1266837&gclid=Cj0KCQjwp5_qBRDBARIsANxdcinDPh9Fr8TrGdsXuYWBERo9CXUEV_sb259VWZkXf-dEy2v_N2ufo-oaAqXTEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds = 169.99. Not needed right away but if your going to spend 1K on a PC you should have it ready for that refresh rate.

Just like all technology and evolution it will be the standard in the future.

Thank you
 
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If there's no intent to change the monitor for some time, then I'd think we could go with a lower spec and price on the video card.

That said, what's your exact video card currently? An R9 200 series could be anything from an R9 270 to an R9 295X2.
well the Monitors are 6 months old so I guess they will be around a bit. I do understand the Advantage of the better sync Technologies but at this Point in time it's not worth it for me.
Card is a Sapphire R9 270x 2GB Version (at least as far as I can read that from the sticker, I can't really remember precisely what I bought, was around 200€ back then)
 
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Hello Dawnbringer,

This is just a option build but you will get more frames then the upper builds:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BKWCsZ

I know you don't want to overclock and you don't even have too but if you need a little more performance in let say a year you could overclock and not need to upgrade right away as well.

Spend a little more on the GPU and it will do wonders when you upgrade your monitor:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/msi-optix-mag240vc-23-6-led-curved-fhd-freesync-monitor-black/6303794.p?skuId=6303794&ref=212&loc=1&ref=212&loc=1&ds_rl=1266837&gclid=Cj0KCQjwp5_qBRDBARIsANxdcinDPh9Fr8TrGdsXuYWBERo9CXUEV_sb259VWZkXf-dEy2v_N2ufo-oaAqXTEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds = 169.99. Not needed right away but if your going to spend 1K on a PC you should have it ready for that refresh rate.

Just like all technology and evolution it will be the standard in the future.

Thank you
Thanks - what's the Advantage of the KF CPU? I understand it has the internal GPU disabled, does this make any difference for the build?
Cheapest RTX 2070 I get in Austria will be around 480€ so that will bring the build up to around 1200€.. bit too much for my taste already: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/Pt7BsZ
 
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (€209.00 @ Alternate)
Motherboard: MSI B450M PRO-M2 V2 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (€72.94 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (€82.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (€107.89 @ Mindfactory)
Video Card: XFX Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB Video Card (€409.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case (€50.98 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€92.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €1024.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-06 14:56 CEST+0200
 
Hello,

I am just confused how we are expressing this 3600 or 3600x as similar:

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-9600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600/4031vs4040

Please don't be mislead by all the AMD fans that reflect everything in relation to price. Plus 6 more threads helps with playing one game and dong excel spreadsheet and surfing the web? I can almost bet this PC is to play fortnite? The i5-9600k would be better and the i5-9600KF is cheaper by 20 bucks and will even perform better then the 9600k but this is only for people that feel no need for integrated graphics and want to overclock. Overclocking has been made easy by almost all motherboard companies.

A simple over clock of the i5-9600K or F would for sure out preform the 3600 and 3600x.

Just do some research before accepting anything from anyone. Intel has better performance for gaming, AMD did bridge the gap but for a chip that was just released and it does not out perform the 9600k really does not make sense.
Using userbechmark as your comparison is a bad thing to use to compare products. Anyone who has experience doing builds knows NEVER to use that site. https://www.techspot.com/review/1871-amd-ryzen-3600/ credible sites show that outside of gaming the stock 3600 is almost always faster than the stock 9600K, remember not everyone want to OC their system, and in gaming the 3600 is less than 5% slower than the 9600K. All of that without needing to spend another $40+ on a HSF.
 
well the Monitors are 6 months old so I guess they will be around a bit. I do understand the Advantage of the better sync Technologies but at this Point in time it's not worth it for me.
Card is a Sapphire R9 270x 2GB Version (at least as far as I can read that from the sticker, I can't really remember precisely what I bought, was around 200€ back then)
Alright, gotcha - and, given that you mentioned wanting FHD gaming, I'm guessing you don't plan to do a "gaming spread across both monitors" scenario.

With 1920x1080 @60 Hz, I would suggest an RX 590 or GTX 1660 (non-Ti) video card. The RX590 is typically priced lower, but the 1660 is more significantly power-efficient, and has a slight edge in performance.

There's no need to go for a video card any more powerful than those two models given the monitors you're using.
 
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Alright, gotcha - and, given that you mentioned wanting FHD gaming, I'm guessing you don't plan to do a "gaming spread across both monitors" scenario.

With 1920x1080 @60 Hz, I would suggest an RX 590 or GTX 1660 (non-Ti) video card. The RX590 is typically priced lower, but the 1660 is more significantly power-efficient, and has a slight edge in performance.

There's no need to go for a video card any more powerful than those two models given the monitors you're using.
Ok perfect. I'll go with the GTX 1660 then, I was a bit unsure if the TI is really worth the extra Money. is there any real big difference when it Comes to the Brands, like Asus, Gigabyte and others? Is it smart to get a single-fan Version?
 
The Ti will perform better, but your monitor would be the limiting factor - it can't display more than 60fps, so the non-Ti has your needs covered.

Most brands are pretty good overall - I can't say I've ever run into any issues with video cards I've bought new.

The variations are about fans, heatsink, the cooling setup, etc. Generally more and/or larger are better as they can run slower, thus producing less noise, but then adds bulk. You can't really go wrong with the big name brands, though, and most offer 3 year warranties, or at the very least, 2 years.
 
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The Ti will perform better, but your monitor would be the limiting factor - it can't display more than 60fps, so the non-Ti has your needs covered.

Most brands are pretty good overall - I can't say I've ever run into any issues with video cards I've bought new.

The variations are about fans, heatsink, the cooling setup, etc. Generally more and/or larger are better as they can run slower, thus producing less noise, but then adds bulk. You can't really go wrong with the big name brands, though, and most offer 3 year warranties, or at the very least, 2 years.
on that aspect: is Zotac a good brand or should I go for Gigabyte/Asus/MSI?
 
I can't say I've heard any complaints on any of those brands, but I only have personal experience with Gigabyte and MSI. No complaints on either, but keep in mind the MSI was from over a dozen years ago, and the Gigabyte was from about 4-1/2 years ago.
 

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