Question Are AMD TR 3 processors like the 3960x & 3070x better off un overclocked and doing their own auto temp boost which I hear works better than manual OC?

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Are AMD TR 3 processors like the 3960x & 3070x better off un overclocked and doing their own auto temp boost which I hear works better than manual Overclocked?


Ie all the over clocking features on TRX40 mother boards are they useful or is it the TR processors are more maxed out than intel ones or is there a safe way to over clock them which works well with a set ram and clock speed which dont harm the processor and works better than the auto boost?
 

Zizo007

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It really depends on the type of load you put on the CPU.
If you are using a multithreaded application that uses all the cores then overclocking all the cores is much better than leaving it at stock.
If you are using a less threaded application or game then it boosts some cores to the highest stock boost speed which might be equal or higher to your all cores OC.

If you can OC all the cores equal or past your boost speed, which I doubt, you win in both types of load which is the best scenario.

Make note that the 3960X/3970X are 280W CPUs and they will consume close to 350W or more if you overclock all cores. Yes that's more than an OCed GPU!
Make sure you have a good watercooling 360mm radiator at least. You absolutely need watercooling for even stock speeds.
 
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Zizo007

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May I ask why you need a Threadripper?
For gaming they offer the same or worse gaming performance than the 3700X,3800X, 3900X and 3950X.

TR is for professional work like video editing, compiling, programming, photo and video transcoding, 3D processing like CAD etc
 

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Im not using them for gaming. looking for a mix of CAD, Editing, Visual Effects, Podcasting, 3d animation, modelling, characters etc.

So software like:

  • Adobe Premier (including effects like Greenscreen. Looking for a studio kit soon after workstation build subject to cost) 4k video
  • Adobe Encoder for Transcoding
  • Adobe After Effects
  • Solidworks (Plus rendering on Keyshot)
  • Rhino (Plus rendering on V-Ray and use of Rhino Plugins and Addons)
  • Looking to Learn Sketch UX/UI and Wireframing
  • Podcasting with Adobe Audition (Interested in a XLR podcast /Audio narrate set up. Most likely soon after depending on workstation cost)
  • Looking to Learn Google Sketchup
  • Lookign to Learn Cinema 4D (Plus associated Rendering packages such as Renderman, V Ray and Blender)
  • Looking to Learn 3D Studio max (Plus associated Rendering packages such as Renderman, V Ray and Blender)
  • Looking to Learn Z Brush
  • Looking to Learn Mudbox
  • Looking to Learn Maya (Plus associated Rendering packages such as Renderman, V Ray and Blender)
  • Autodesk Alias
  • Looking to Learn Nuke
  • Looking to Learn Autocad
  • Looking to Learn Autodesk Inventor
  • Looking to Learn Modo and other Foundary software
  • Looking to Learn Softimage (Plus associated Rendering packages such as Renderman, V Ray and Blender)

Can you suggest Specific Coolers?

I have some other posts on this



ScanUK are offering the:

  • Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360 RGB TR4 Edition
PC Specialist are offering the :

  • MasterLiquid ML360 RGB TR4 Edition all-in-one liquid
  • CORSAIR Hydro Series H150i PRO
  • CORSAIR Hydro H100i Addressable RGB PLATINUM Liquid/Water Intel/AMD CPU Cooler
Plus air coolers

  • COOLERMASTER WRAITH RIPPER
  • Noctura NH-U14S and here the
  • Dark Rock Pro TR4 is good

Was also given a quote with the Enermax LIQTECH TR4 II 280 RGB Low noise AIO liquid CPU cooler for AMD Threadripper

Which initially looks excellent with a huge contact block the size of the whole Threadripper heating plate soaking up lots of heat and keeping the processor well chilled ./.. till a few month later when according to lots of reviews the dodgy liquid in the tubes corrodes things, gunks up and fails the system , dont know if it harms the rest which is damn scarey given my entire saves and assets bar one 40 inc tv and a 3d printer is £6000 and the new system Im looking to get will be around £4400.


Know any other coolers or which the above would be best?


as the last two elements appear to be deciding the cooler which I understand if overclocked would need to disappate up to 350 watt, certainly well over 280 without doing this.

Plus what do I need to do about the GPU?
 

Zizo007

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Im not using them for gaming. looking for a mix of CAD, Editing, Visual Effects, Podcasting, 3d animation, modelling, characters etc.

So software like:

  • Adobe Premier (including effects like Greenscreen. Looking for a studio kit soon after workstation build subject to cost) 4k video
  • Adobe Encoder for Transcoding
  • Adobe After Effects
  • Solidworks (Plus rendering on Keyshot)
  • Rhino (Plus rendering on V-Ray and use of Rhino Plugins and Addons)
  • Looking to Learn Sketch UX/UI and Wireframing
  • Podcasting with Adobe Audition (Interested in a XLR podcast /Audio narrate set up. Most likely soon after depending on workstation cost)
  • Looking to Learn Google Sketchup
  • Lookign to Learn Cinema 4D (Plus associated Rendering packages such as Renderman, V Ray and Blender)
  • Looking to Learn 3D Studio max (Plus associated Rendering packages such as Renderman, V Ray and Blender)
  • Looking to Learn Z Brush
  • Looking to Learn Mudbox
  • Looking to Learn Maya (Plus associated Rendering packages such as Renderman, V Ray and Blender)
  • Autodesk Alias
  • Looking to Learn Nuke
  • Looking to Learn Autocad
  • Looking to Learn Autodesk Inventor
  • Looking to Learn Modo and other Foundary software
  • Looking to Learn Softimage (Plus associated Rendering packages such as Renderman, V Ray and Blender)

Can you suggest Specific Coolers?

I have some other posts on this



ScanUK are offering the:

  • Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360 RGB TR4 Edition
PC Specialist are offering the :

  • MasterLiquid ML360 RGB TR4 Edition all-in-one liquid
  • CORSAIR Hydro Series H150i PRO
  • CORSAIR Hydro H100i Addressable RGB PLATINUM Liquid/Water Intel/AMD CPU Cooler
Plus air coolers

  • COOLERMASTER WRAITH RIPPER
  • Noctura NH-U14S and here the
  • Dark Rock Pro TR4 is good

Was also given a quote with the Enermax LIQTECH TR4 II 280 RGB Low noise AIO liquid CPU cooler for AMD Threadripper

Which initially looks excellent with a huge contact block the size of the whole Threadripper heating plate soaking up lots of heat and keeping the processor well chilled ./.. till a few month later when according to lots of reviews the dodgy liquid in the tubes corrodes things, gunks up and fails the system , dont know if it harms the rest which is damn scarey given my entire saves and assets bar one 40 inc tv and a 3d printer is £6000 and the new system Im looking to get will be around £4400.


Know any other coolers or which the above would be best?


as the last two elements appear to be deciding the cooler which I understand if overclocked would need to disappate up to 350 watt, certainly well over 280 without doing this.

Plus what do I need to do about the GPU?
For those softwares an all cores OC is better. Get a 360mm radiator cooler, they cool better than 280mm. I don't really know about which brand and model is better so you may ask in your other threads, I will read them now. Oh yeah, also make sure your case can fit a 360mm radiator. For the GPU, your softwares will defenitively benefit from a fast GPU like the RTX series from nvidia. Finally, you will need a powerful PSU to run such a setup, about a 1000W, Seasonic and Corsair are the best brands.
 

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Are AMD TR 3 processors like the 3960x & 3070x better off un overclocked and doing their own auto temp boost which I hear works better than manual Overclocked?
Seeing what you want to use the T-Rex40 platform for, overclocking shouldn't really be on the menu.
Platform stability > everything else.
Let the cpu do it's thing while you focus on your tasks.
Manual overclocking isn't a one and done thing; there's testing the OC's stability and troubleshooting any issues that may arise - once you start using this build for earning money and then start seeing crashes.

Know any other coolers or which the above would be best?
NH-U14S TR4-SP3
If an air cooler is capable, I'll easily pick that over an AIO.
More affordable and reliable - and before someone comes in here preaching about how much AIOs have improved - I'm well aware... still inferior to air coolers, except when dumping over 300w of heat.

Plus what do I need to do about the GPU?
A Quadro card?
 

Zizo007

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RTX cards should work the same as Quadro while being much less expensive. They offer a better performance vs a similarly priced Quadro, e.g. in Autocad.

Even if he won't OC, he would still need a watercooling setup. TR3 at stock will draw 356W at full load, CPU only. The best air coolers can't cool anything over 300W.

The best air cooler, Noctua D15, will work but your CPU will slow down because of throttling:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-threadripper-3970x-review/2
 
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Phaaze88

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Even if he won't OC, he would still need a watercooling setup. TR3 at stock will draw 356W at full load, CPU only. The best air coolers can't cool anything over 300W.

The best air cooler, Noctua D15, will work but your CPU will slow down because of throttling:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-threadripper-3970x-review/2
Do tell how a cooler that's mechanically incompatible from the get-go will throttle a 3960X and 3970X?
https://noctua.at/en/cpu/AMD_Ryzen_Threadripper_3970X

They even tested and certified the NH-U14S TR4-SP3 to work with TR 3960X & 3970X, albeit they have no overclocking headroom - which shouldn't be on the OP's menu, considering their use case.

RTX cards should work the same as Quadro while being much less expensive. They offer a better performance vs a similarly priced Quadro, e.g. in Autocad.
JUST Autocad? What about everything else the OP wants to do?

RTX is doable, but not optimal.
Frankly, the OP wants to do too much with all those different apps, and there's no middle ground for the gpu, except for maybe Titans... until you see their pricing...

The API (Opengl, Vulkan, DirectX 11 or Direcxt 12) being used should tell one a lot about the best CPU/GPU combination.
For example, Autocad (CAD) is far different than Solidworks (SWX).
Autocad can be 2d or 3d but still using DirectX 11 API which means, you won't benefit much more from having more than 4 CPU cores and can do just fine with an RTX gpu on studio drivers, as opposed to the weaker DX 11 performance of Quadro.
Solidworks on the other hand, you want the fastest multi-core cpu you can get your hands on(even a 9900K fits the bill) and a Quadro.
 

Zizo007

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Do tell how a cooler that's mechanically incompatible from the get-go will throttle a 3960X and 3970X?
https://noctua.at/en/cpu/AMD_Ryzen_Threadripper_3970X

They even tested and certified the NH-U14S TR4-SP3 to work with TR 3960X & 3970X, albeit they have no overclocking headroom - which shouldn't be on the OP's menu, considering their use case.


JUST Autocad? What about everything else the OP wants to do?

RTX is doable, but not optimal.
Frankly, the OP wants to do too much with all those different apps, and there's no middle ground for the gpu, except for maybe Titans... until you see their pricing...

The API (Opengl, Vulkan, DirectX 11 or Direcxt 12) being used should tell one a lot about the best CPU/GPU combination.
For example, Autocad (CAD) is far different than Solidworks (SWX).
Autocad can be 2d or 3d but still using DirectX 11 API which means, you won't benefit much more from having more than 4 CPU cores and can do just fine with an RTX gpu on studio drivers, as opposed to the weaker DX 11 performance of Quadro.
Solidworks on the other hand, you want the fastest multi-core cpu you can get your hands on(even a 9900K fits the bill) and a Quadro.
I couldn't find info on the NH-U14S TR4-SP3 but from the website you provided, Noctua states that the NH-U14S TR4-SP3 won't allow turbo so core boost won't work, the CPU will stay at 3.7Ghz instead of boosting to 4.5Ghz. This probably means that TR3 will run rather hot with the Noctua.
 
Since OC capability varies with silicon quality so many die, CCX and cores in play with ThreadRipper means a lot of variance. You'd have to test each system to see if it's worthwhile for it. Also, if ThreadRipper follows other Zen2 trends you can very easily hurt performance in lightly threaded workloads, when it's boosting algorithm gets very high clocks for one or two threads simultaneously, even while achieving very decent gains in highly threaded workloads.

But no sane person buys a TR when lightly threaded workloads, e.g., games, are of principle interest. These are HEDT beasts meant to render out images, encode videos, run complex simulations or similar highly threaded tasks and make some money. So if your system can post a decent all-core overclock and hold it stable through a rendering I'd say why not do it. Probably a good strategy is do it intelligently through selective CCD overclocking (I'm assuming it supports that), i.e., overclocking only the most capable CCD's.

At end of the day, when it's time to play, just reboot the system and load an overclocking profile that disables a bunch of lowest performing cores/CCX's/CCD's and reverts to a PBO overclock on only the best performing cores to play some games. That will leave the boosting algorithm to pump up the best cores/threads as needed with unnecessary cores permanently power gated to reduce thermal impact for achieving the best lightly threaded gaming performance
 
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Since OC capability varies with silicon quality so many die, CCX and cores in play with ThreadRipper means a lot of variance. You'd have to test each system to see if it's worthwhile for it. Also, if ThreadRipper follows other Zen2 trends you can very easily hurt performance in lightly threaded workloads, when it's boosting algorithm gets very high clocks for one or two threads simultaneously, even while achieving very decent gains in highly threaded workloads.

But no sane person buys a TR when lightly threaded workloads, e.g., games, are of principle interest. These are HEDT beasts meant to render out images, encode videos, run complex simulations or similar highly threaded tasks and make some money. So if your system can post a decent all-core overclock and hold it stable through a rendering I'd say why not do it. Probably a good strategy is do it intelligently through selective CCD overclocking (I'm assuming it supports that), i.e., overclocking only the most capable CCD's.

At end of the day, when it's time to play, just reboot the system and load an overclocking profile that disables a bunch of lowest performing cores/CCX's/CCD's and reverts to a PBO overclock on only the best performing cores to play some games. That will leave the boosting algorithm to pump up the best cores/threads as needed with unnecessary cores permanently power gated to reduce thermal impact for achieving the best lightly threaded gaming performance
So, you'd agree that a NH-U14S TR4-SP3 won't cut it for a TR 3970X even at stock settings?

I still believe most professionals running such a system wouldn't bother/dare OC, because of how important system stability is for their work...
 
So, you'd agree that a NH-U14S TR4-SP3 won't cut it for a TR 3970X even at stock settings?

I still believe most professionals running such a system wouldn't bother/dare OC, because of how important system stability is for their work...
Oh, I have no idea if it will be enough. I agree that a custom loop with a large water block would be safest, or one of these new 360 AIO's made for TR; but make sure it's got a LARGE water block.

And I agree most pro's won't dicker around with overclocking as I do realize stability is important. I know of one guy who does work with hard deadlines and cash bonuses for early completion. He's got two machines doing the same final renderings just in case one crashes.

But there are some who will overclock, and the condition is of course that it be stable.
 

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Thin radiator and low CFM fans. That's a bad design. You are looking 600 watts system load with just PBO + auto OC on all cores.


That AIO is not going to cool 500watts well and is not good for a manual overclock. People have issues with cooling and a 300 watt 9900ks with full custom loops.

If the OP wants to do a manual OC and keep the CPU cool, he should get a chiller.

View: https://youtu.be/HMtvEbD2MQo?t=789
 

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Whats guys.... This should be more for a mix of content creation. Editing, Visual effects, 3D Animation, 3D Modelling, CAD partly as there ae various interests and also as every job add for a training level position wants something different and I need a 'adult professional career' that mixes creativity and engineering, that enable me to move out of folks home and be independent and not stuck with odd days film extra and promo work. To build a portfolio and skill levels to an experienced level. If I can get in somewhere then I can focus.

Possibly combining them say with own youtube videos or some other way to try and make own job like using Cad software to design something I can mould or sell as hard to get 'proper grow up' work when older and you dont have relevant experience and people don't want to give you the trainee, gradualte, intern type roles to get to said level of experience

Whilst the odd game would be fun this is not to be a gaming machine, more like lots of multitasking like running excel, shed loads of browser tabs open.

Whats more likly is the need for a fast processor and system for the 'mixing ingredients' content creation as well as the multi thread lots of cores for 'baking the cake, rendering and encoding part of it in one system as not a rich company able to afford lots of different workstations for different jobs. Basically get one shot so need to get the best combination.

In relation to coolers .

At the moment its between


Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360 RGB TR4 Edition

and

Enermax LiqTech II TR4 360 RGB CPU Water Cooler - 360mm

The enermax has apparently the best cooling contact plate and starts very successful according to reviews but then the 1st version had bad electrolyte which correded, gunked up blocked and failed the system. They said they had fixed this with version two but from what ive seen with reviews the version 2 is not much better

The coolermax apears to have a plate the size of the threadripper but seems more an incremental add on rather than originals design.

I was looking into the noctura but not sure if it works so well for things like lots of rendering with all cores constantly
 

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Enermax LiqTech II TR4 360 RGB CPU Water Cooler - 360mm

The enermax has apparently the best cooling contact plate and starts very successful according to reviews but then the 1st version had bad electrolyte which correded, gunked up blocked and failed the system. They said they had fixed this with version two but from what ive seen with reviews the version 2 is not much better
I saw a few vids about that. Not good.
It doesn't sound like they really fixed it in the revision either.
I'd say play it safe and avoid the LiqTech entirely.
 
I saw a few vids about that. Not good.
It doesn't sound like they really fixed it in the revision either.
I'd say play it safe and avoid the LiqTech entirely.
Really? I thought Steve at Gamers Nexus was saying they had fixed it. But what's not a sure thing is getting one that is fixed.

If I recall correctly, they didn't use either a corrosion inhibitor or biocide in the fluid so stuff crudded up the tiny fins in the water block.
 

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Kinda what I was thinking , that maybe the helpful sales staff saying version 2 al fixed and what a nice contact plate it has and cooling rating trying to shift wanted stock.

Ok whats next best to Liquitech Enermax was it the

Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360 RGB TR4 Edition


or got better solutions... Looks like I wont be over clocking but would be using the chips on turbo mode a fair bit using this kind of software and rendering and encoding etc
 

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If I recall correctly, they didn't use either a corrosion inhibitor or biocide in the fluid so stuff crudded up the tiny fins in the water block.
I did a search, checked out some of the newegg and amazon reviews... the gunk and corrosion reappeared in the revised model.

I thought Steve at Gamers Nexus was saying they had fixed it.
I think I recall one comment in that video mention that Enermax possibly didn't even use distilled water:eek:
 
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Zizo007

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Kinda what I was thinking , that maybe the helpful sales staff saying version 2 al fixed and what a nice contact plate it has and cooling rating trying to shift wanted stock.

Ok whats next best to Liquitech Enermax was it the

Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360 RGB TR4 Edition


or got better solutions... Looks like I wont be over clocking but would be using the chips on turbo mode a fair bit using this kind of software and rendering and encoding etc
Get the Corsair Hydro H150i Pro 360mm, its the best 360mm AIO.
 

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