Are these cards compatible with my PC?

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Hi, I don't know too much about graphics cards but I have a PC like this here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Desktop-PCs/Zoostorm-Origin-Desktop-PC-i5-6400-Processor-Windows/B01G8BE38E except it is i5 4460 instead of 6400.

Please let me know if either of these MSI gtx 1060 graphics cards would be compatible with the PC, the links are down below. If you could recommend any other graphics cards that could work that would too be appreciated, thankyou

Option 1: https://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-GeForce-GTX-1060-GAMING/dp/B01IOPQ1VO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499199132&sr=8-1&keywords=msi+gtx+1060

Option 2: https://www.scan.co.uk/products/msi-geforce-gtx-1060-gaming-x-6gb-gddr5-vr-ready-graphics-card-1280-core-1569-mhz-gpu-1784-mhz-boost
 
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Where the hell did you get 265w from? The MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X pulled 139w under load in Guru3Ds review.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1060_gaming_x_plus_review,8.html

265w full system load with a power hungry cpu maybe. Still a decent 450w unit will that without issue. The Skylake i5 6400 that uses about 78w under a prime95 load.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/71760-intel-skylake-i5-6500-i5-6400-i3-6100-review-12.html
So far I see 217w and you are going to have to have alot of fans a hdds to drive that up another 48 watts.

If you want a long life PSU get a decent quality one with good capacitors.

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A good 450w unit would be plenty of the i5 and a 1060.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na'

It better quality than that HEC built EVGA. The w series are one of EVGAs low quality units and not one I'd recommend. Plu the CXM is semi modualr whihc will be a bonus in that small case.
 

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I believe those CXM Bronze edition corsair units are not very reliable. They are currently being offered with big discounts on newegg with not so great reviews. https://www.newegg.com/Power-Supplies/SubCategory/ID-58

That 600 watt will add longevity to his system. Less load less stress.
 

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I'm confused, is the name of the motherboard the system model number?
 

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The new CXM(450,550 and 650w) units are based on an updated design from CWT and also use better quality capacitors rated for higher temps and are much better units than the older CX series.

The EVGA W series on the other hand use lower quality components, poor capacitors on primary and secondary side, only rated for 30°C and is built on an older HEC platform with poor efficiency and known ripple issues.

I will trust professional reviews and specs over customer reviews.
 

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Regardless of who you trust, I would not recommend running a 450 watt power supply. The 1060 is going to pull ~265 watts while gaming, and TDP for that processor is 84 watts, which will be higher at 100% load. You will be near 100% load on that power supply coming from the wall. You don't want your power supply to be working at near 100% load. It will wear out faster bottom line. It's going to be to your benefit having it work at closer to 50% load you will get better efficiency and longer life out of the power supply.
 

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Where the hell did you get 265w from? The MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X pulled 139w under load in Guru3Ds review.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1060_gaming_x_plus_review,8.html

265w full system load with a power hungry cpu maybe. Still a decent 450w unit will that without issue. The Skylake i5 6400 that uses about 78w under a prime95 load.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/71760-intel-skylake-i5-6500-i5-6400-i3-6100-review-12.html
So far I see 217w and you are going to have to have alot of fans a hdds to drive that up another 48 watts.

If you want a long life PSU get a decent quality one with good capacitors.

 
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Keep in mind this is a single fan design. If you have a dual fan 1060 it will pull more power!
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/10540/the-geforce-gtx-1060-founders-edition-asus-strix-review/16
 

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That does makes the 1060 look much better in his system configuration with the 450 watt power supply. That said the higher you get to the top end on a power supply it become much less efficient. The loss is represented by heat generated operating closer to the limitations of the power supply. Operating a power supply at 50% load will last you a life time.
 
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^ This. The new CXM is very good. The EVGA white box unit is a large downgrade in quality.
 
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That's not true either. To meet 80 Plus requirements units are tested at 10%, 20%, 50% and 100% load.

https://www.plugloadsolutions.com/80PlusPowerSupplies.aspx
 

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If you look at the 80 plus certification requirements the bronze rated CX450M@ 100% will the have the same efficiency as the 80 plus white rated evga 600w at 50%. The CXM will be running at ~60% with the proposed specs meaning it will be running higher efficiency and since it uses a better quality primary capacitor making it the likely PSU to last longer.
https://plugloadsolutions.com/80PlusPowerSupplies.aspx#
Load % doesn't mean much with cheap caps. Seen many a PSU die when under light loads from poor quality capacitors and low temp ratings. When it comes to PSUs quantity does not trump quality.
 

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"Power supplies are the devices that power computer, servers and data center devices. They convert AC power from electric utilities into DC power used in most electronics. The 80 PLUS® performance specification requires power supplies in computers and servers to be 80% or greater energy efficient at 10, 20, 50 and 100% of rated load with a true power factor of 0.9 or greater. This makes an 80 PLUS certified power supply substantially more efficient than typical power supplies."

That does not refute my earlier statement it just means that the inefficiency will be within a limit, and at a much less degree then typical power supplies.. Some power supplies come with the factory tested rating with it. The CX450M is not listed on that website. Even though looking at the power supplies on across the board on that list 50% is the sweet spot for efficiency.

Edit: Let's not let numbers confuse common sense here. You have to realize operating at 100% load will increase heat, and reduce the longevity of the power supply.
 

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Go ahead and take a look again at those load ratings again and how it works. Also look again as the CX 450 IS listed there, and while rated Bronze its just a smidge under Silver. However your recommended EVGA isn't even Bronze efficiency rated, and at 50% load is only 1% more efficient than the CX450 at 100%. Also over the entire range both PSUs, and most others have about a 5% efficiency difference, that equates to pennies. The "50% rule" is old and majorly outdated.

The CX450M is a far higher quality PSU, it is more efficient across the range, it can handle transient spikes better, it will last longer, and the system will not use anywhere near its max power. You can keep debating this all you want, but the numbers and stats don't lie.
 

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I after a search for just the CX450M I did find it, and I found the PSU I mentioned above as well. It is 80% complaint, and following the link on It shows EVGA at 84.38% efficiency at 50% load which is 302 watts output. CX450M at 87.73% with an output of 227 watts at 50% load. Regardless both operates most efficient at 50%, and that holds true for every power supply I glanced over linked on that website. Pulling more power, increases current, decreases lifespan of electronic components. This conversation has been blown out of per portion.

https://plugloadsolutions.com/psu_reports/EVGA%20CORPORTATION_600W_600W_ECOS%204363_Report.pdf

https://plugloadsolutions.com/psu_reports/CORSAIR_RPS0027%20(CP-9020101)%20(CX450M)_450W_ECOS%204518_Report.pdf
 

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No it hasn't and again you didn't read what I wrote one bit. Again the efficiency of the Corsair at 100% load its only 1% lower than the EVGA at 50% load. Also across the whole load range of a good PSU its less than 5% difference, which is part of the 80% spec. Meaning that running a psu at 20%, 50%, 80%, or even 100% the efficiency difference is extremely minimal, not enough to even care about. Nobody is disputing the best efficiency is at 50%, but when the difference is 5% across the range, who cares. On top of that we have already proven your power requirements to be excessive. Your major concern is longevity, so you have a PSU thats worse efficiency wise, and is worse quality wise, yet you insist that running it at 50% it will last longer than a better quality lower wattage PSU that may run at 70-80%. Your theory just plain doesn't make sense and we are hammering this point home because your advice is downright bad.
 

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"Okay, I see that is total system power draw! My mistake." I acknowledged that.

"That does makes the 1060 look much better in his system configuration with the 450 watt power supply. That said the higher you get to the top end on a power supply it become much less efficient. The loss is represented by heat generated operating closer to the limitations of the power supply. Operating a power supply at 50% load will last you a life time." Much less when looking at 3-7% is an exaggeration. Everything else is correct. Suggesting the power supply operating at 70-80% load over the one operating at 50% is a theoretical guess. That 450 watt PSU might be DOA. My advice was not bad, and could handle his max system load at near 50% of the PSU rated power. Which "ideally" is what you want, and to say or do otherwise will end up in replacing your PSU regularly. Like you said the few % worst efficiency amount to penny's and now you are exaggerating. 50% isn't a theory it's based on practice. All of these power supplies were made to operate best at 50% load. The website data backs that up. The EVGA 600 was far from bad advice, and not meriting 3 moderators. It might not be best advice based on quality of components. But you are hammering just to hammer.
 

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Wrong, read again. You keep beating the 50% drum, but again if you actually read the site while yes the PSUs are most efficient at 50% it is a minimal difference in efficiency (3-7%) between the 20% load and 100% load range.
Yet you try to back it up with this statement you make right here: "That said the higher you get to the top end on a power supply it become much less efficient" is completely and utterly wrong. 3-7% is not "much less efficient". Not only that the CX450 is AS efficient at 100% load as the EVGA 600w at 50%, using better quality components, so again which one is going to last longer? Anyone with actual experience knows the answer to this.

Go back and read what bignastyid wrote to you about the very same concepts we were just discussing.

Your advice is bad both because the PSU you are suggesting is junk, and you are providing bunk generalities such as your statement above which is clearly showing that you do not grasp the concepts of what you are reading, and hence presenting to people asking questions here. You have 3 moderators in here because it is our task to prevent poor and incorrect information from lasting on this site as the final word.
 

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"If you look at the 80 plus certification requirements the bronze rated CX450M@ 100% will the have the same efficiency as the 80 plus white rated evga 600w at 50%. The CXM will be running at ~60% with the proposed specs meaning it will be running higher efficiency and since it uses a better quality primary capacitor making it the likely PSU to last longer.
https://plugloadsolutions.com/80PlusPowerSupplies.aspx#
Load % doesn't mean much with cheap caps. Seen many a PSU die when under light loads from poor quality capacitors and low temp ratings. When it comes to PSUs quantity does not trump quality."

"When building on a budget, the EVGA 430W 80 PLUS is a great choice at a low cost. Supporting 34A on a single +12V rail provides more options without having to reduce your component requirements. Save space with the 430W's compact design, well-placed power switch and fully sleeved cables. The 430W offers the connections and protections needed for basic system builds. With a standard 3 year warranty and ultra quiet fan design the 430W will be a great asset for your next build on a budget."
Date:
Thursday , February 19, 2015
Author:
Paul Johnson
Editor:
Kyle Bennett
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/02/19/evga_430w_power_supply_review/#.VOdngks5AuU

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/evga-80-plus-600w-power-supply-29-99.2463136/

"So there you have it avoid these units if you are looking for one in your mid/high end gaming and/or overclocking PC, if you are making a cheap office/media or other low end non stressful PC they are okey but still not great."
http://www.overclock.net/t/1500086/why-you-should-not-buy-an-evga-400-600-and-500b-600b

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/600B/11.html

http://forums.legitreviews.com/viewtopic.php?t=46214



Not the best, but not bad for his system requirements. Junk is too harsh of words, and multiple other sites say it's not terrible based on system requirements.


Edit: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=384

Newegg Reviews over last 6 months for the CX450M from verified owners.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139146&cm_re=CX450M-_-17-139-146-_-Product