News Arm reportedly developing gaming GPU in Israel to compete with Nvidia and Intel

[Admin]

Reports say that up to 100 graphics chip and software developer engineers in Arm's Israel office are working on a GPU.

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[Notton]

Is this separate from the Immortalis 925G?
Also I have no idea how an Immortalis G715 or 925G compares to a Radeon 890M, RTX 4050 6GB, Arc A380, etc.

 

[Flayed]

I bet it will cost an arm and a leg!

 

[ikjadoon]

Is this separate from the Immortalis 925G?
Also I have no idea how an Immortalis G715 or 925G compares to a Radeon 890M, RTX 4050 6GB, Arc A380, etc.

That's a good question. I don't think any Arm GPUs have ever shipped on Windows PCs.

Immortalis G715: late 2022, up to 16 cores
Immortalis G720: late 2023, up to 16 cores
Immortalis G925: late 2024, up to 24 cores

I think only MediaTek uses the Immortalis GPUs these days. Geekerwan reviewed the MediaTek 9300+, with an Immortalis G720 MC12 (12-core):

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnH4N9PJq8Y

GPU能效曲线

socpk.com

GFXbench 5.0 Aztec Ruins (1440p) / LPDDR5-8533
~95 FPS at ~15 W

3DMark Steel Nomad Light (Vulkan 1.1)
~97 FPS at ~15W
1900 points

An Arc A380 seems to be +50 to 80% (though at ~75W, 4x more power). I assume the Vulkan & DX12 scores are comparable. I can't find any Steel Nomad Light benchmarks by reviewers, so the 3DMark database may be inflated with OC'd GPUs.

 

[BTM18]

Good. Blow our minds ARM.

 

[jkflipflop98]

The more the merrier!

 

[Makaveli]

More competition is always welcome.

 

[bwohl]

A gaming GPU article with no mention of AMD? I lol at the author….

 

[ivan_vy]

A gaming GPU article with no mention of AMD? I lol at the author….

with AMD being the console APU chips provider(Xbox one, XB Series, PS4, PS5) , Steam Deck and the likes (Aeris, Z1 Extreme) and the APUs the cheaper option for PC gaming, is a glaring omission not to mention the red team.

 

[jlake3]

Feels like some wishful thinking to get from "ARM is working on gaming" to "New discrete GPU vendor, maybe?"

Given that their main business is licensing SoC component designs, the obvious guess seems to be that they're developing a bigger/better iGPU design to try and stay competitive. ARM might be doing great with CPU licensing, but not so great at graphics design licensing. Nvidia uses their own IP, Apple uses their own IP (derived from Imagination), Qualcomm uses their own IP (distantly forked from ATI/AMD), Samsung is licensing AMD's IP, and Google is sticking with the cheaper Mali iGPUs for now. Only MediaTek has picked up the Immortalis, I believe.

Right now, ARM's flagship graphics archietcture actually underpins very, very little of the gaming happening on ARM CPUs, and I imagine that bothers them.

 

[Notton]

with AMD being the console APU chips provider(Xbox one, XB Series, PS4, PS5) , Steam Deck and the likes (Aeris, Z1 Extreme) and the APUs the cheaper option for PC gaming, is a glaring omission not to mention the red team.

You left out the next gen Nintendo Switch, which is arguably more relevant in the handheld segment.
The GPU in the T239 purportedly has similar levels of performance to an RTX2050.

RTX2050 is closely matched with the Radeon 890M, but DLSS and nvidia frame gen undoubtedly works better.

 

[usertests]

My gut tells me they'll make a mobile dGPU at best. Since laptops and such are a big segment.

 

[TheOtherOne]

I bet it will cost an arm and a leg!

Or FREE if you trade your soul. They might add some bonus perks on top of that as long as they get the soul. 😈

 

[Amdlova]

Will mention amd on samsung fiasco

 

[bit_user]

Qualcomm uses their own IP (distantly forked from ATI/AMD),

Don't forget about the contributions from BitBoys Oy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitBoys
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Samsung is licensing AMD's IP

And not having much success with it, apparently.

Only MediaTek has picked up the Immortalis, I believe.

I wouldn't overlook the potential Chinese market.

Right now, ARM's flagship graphics archietcture actually underpins very, very little of the gaming happening on ARM CPUs, and I imagine that bothers them.

You invest to pursue a market opportunity that you see, not because you're "bothered".

 

[bit_user]

So, is this a natural outgrowth/expansion of their existing GPU group/effort, or is this a new or refocused group they set to work on the project?

 

[rluker5]

A good number of years back Spreadtrum paired an Arm igpu with 8 x86/64 Atom cores in the Leagoo t5c phone, also Asus paired an Arm igpu with Atom cores in their Zenfone 2 so they can work together.
But both Atom designs were emulating Arm at the time so that doesn't say much about drivers.

We just had a good example of how difficult it is to catch up on 20 years of drivers history as well.

 

[Konomi]

Sounds like Project Bicep is on track.

 

[waltc3]

So, um, ARM isn't planning to compete with AMD's GPUs?....😉 Odd article title.

 

[Amdlova]

So, um, ARM isn't planning to compete with AMD's GPUs?....😉 Odd article title.

Nops they will compete with nvidia and apple. Amd gpus are power hungry to the target tdp of these little chips.

 

[derekullo]

A gaming GPU article with no mention of AMD? I lol at the author….

A gaming GPU article with no mention of 3DFX!
3DFX paved the roads so that ATI could paint those roads so that Nvidia could take off!

 

[bit_user]

3DFX paved the roads so that ATI could paint those roads so that Nvidia could take off!

And Intel could follow!

 

[renz496]

A gaming GPU article with no mention of AMD? I lol at the author….

most likely because the original source only mention nvidia and intel. VCZ also have article about this. they have quote from the original article where it only mentions nvidia and intel.