News Arrow Lake CPU up to 18% faster than Core i9-14900K at 250W — Ryzen 9 9950X still faster, and no word on if your Intel CPU will fail sometime in th...

[Admin]

An upcoming Core Ultra Arrow Lake-S CPU qualification sample was benchmarked and compared to Intel's outgoing Core i9-14900K. The Arrow Lake part was up to 18% faster than its predecessor but did not outperform it in all benchmarks.

Arrow Lake CPU up to 18% faster than Core i9-14900K at 250W — Ryzen 9 9950X still faster, and no word on if your Intel CPU will fail sometime in th... : Read more

 

[bit_user]

Zen 5 vs. Arrow Lake should be interesting. I think I'll need to invest in some 🍿

 

[helper800]

In Geekbench, the Arrow Lake chip pulls away from the Core i9-14900K, 9% faster in the single-core benchmark...

I am almost certain the above is incorrect based on the scores shown above this message in the chart. The article needs to be revised to reflect reality of either a typo in the chart or incorrect math to show a 9% increase.

The single core geekbench scores don't add up. 2455 vs 2432 is a 23 point increase. That means the qualification chip only tested ~0.945% faster not 9% faster...

Considering these are early chips that means arrowlake is going to be very competitive with AMD 9000 in single threaded at least.

 

[greymaterial]

I would not trust new intel cpu tests when the chip is fresh, degradation appears in 14th gen which are not claimed to have oxidation issue and performance are impacted to keep stability. intel can sell their improvement as advertised on arrow lake chips 9 months later when they prove themselves there is no more significant degradation.

 

[bit_user]

I would not trust new intel cpu tests when the chip is fresh, degradation appears in 14th gen which are not claimed to have oxidation issue and performance are impacted to keep stability. intel can sell their improvement as advertised on arrow lake chips 9 months later when they prove themselves there is no more significant degradation.

My hope is that they will have learned their lesson from this experience, and do a better job of characterizing & accommodating for degradation in future generations. Also, I think they'll be much stricter about making sure motherboard vendors color inside the lines.

However, I understand your concern and I probably wouldn't be first in line for an Arrow Lake, either. I'm not really the early adopter type, anyhow.

 

[Amdlova]

250w how do you turn this on?
PASS

 

[helper800]

250w how do you turn this on?
PASS

With a power switch usually located on the case.

However, I understand your concern and I probably wouldn't be first in line for an Arrow Lake, either. I'm not really the early adopter type, anyhow.

Some saying about a six foot pole also comes to mind, in other words, GL other people.

 

[Amdlova]

@helper800 that is a cheat from age of empires 2

"You need 250w of power to win something".
It's crazy!

 

[helper800]

@helper800 that is a cheat from age of empires 2

"You need 250w of power to win something".
It's crazy!

Wow, that's a blast from the past. I played the OG age of empires games and do not remember that code, however, you may need to give at least a little more of a hint to get that one LOL.

 

[Main_gano]

If Arrow Lake succed Zen5 by about 2 percent with about 44 % more power, than then it is relatively clear what tech is more advanced.
There is a good reason, why I stick to AMD (without need to change something, as my current system is build in spring 2023). A littel advantage in performance for me not justify the troubles that comes with the risk of an unstable CPU and the advantage of NVIDIA above AMD for me not justify the risk of a melting power connector.

 

[Pei-chen]

Love the laser car reference.

And AMD needs to stick that Ryzen 9000 CPU into more laptop this time

 

[TheHerald]

If Arrow Lake succed Zen5 by about 2 percent with about 44 % more power, than then it is relatively clear what tech is more advanced.
There is a good reason, why I stick to AMD (without need to change something, as my current system is build in spring 2023). A littel advantage in performance for me not justify the troubles that comes with the risk of an unstable CPU and the advantage of NVIDIA above AMD for me not justify the risk of a melting power connector.

Don't worry, intel will also release 65w parts. AMD will need 300% more power, it's clear what tech is more advanced, right?

 

[helper800]

Don't worry, intel will also release 65w parts. AMD will need 300% more power, it's clear what tech is more advanced, right?

Did you glimpse that from your crystal ball?

 

[TheHerald]

Did you glimpse that from your crystal ball?

Yes, got a crystal ball that looks at the past. When was the last time they didn't release 65w parts?

 

[helper800]

Yes, got a crystal ball that looks at the past. When was the last time they didn't release 65w parts?

That was not your claim, your claim was, "Don't worry, intel will also release 65w parts. AMD will need 300% more power, it's clear what tech is more advanced, right?" Notice how that second part you failed to mention has the gross hyperbole you are standing by?

 

[TheHerald]

That was not your claim, your claim was, "Don't worry, intel will also release 65w parts. AMD will need 300% more power, it's clear what tech is more advanced, right?" Notice how that second part you failed to mention has the gross hyperbole you are standing by?

Huh? What hyperbole? Isn't it already known that the 9950x will be around 160 to 180 watts or something like that?

 

[helper800]

Huh? What hyperbole? Isn't it already known that the 9950x will be around 160 to 180 watts or something like that?

The hyperbole that I see being made with your statement is that an Intel 65w part will be equivalent to AMD at 300% of the power. Are the two statements you made related to each other or independent claims? Because if you are saying a future 65w Intel part will be approximately the same speed or faster than a future AMD product that needs 300% more power as to the claim that Intel is more, "advanced" in one way or another, I see that as hyperbole in the most appreciative interpretation of what you said.

 

[TheHerald]

The hyperbole that I see being made with your statement is that an Intel 65w part will be equivalent to AMD at 300% of the power. Are the two statements you made related to each other or independent claims? Because if you are saying a future 65w Intel part will be approximately the same speed or faster than a future AMD product that needs 300% more power as to the claim that Intel is more, "advanced" in one way or another, I see that as hyperbole in the most appreciative interpretation of what you said.

Ah, now I get what you mean. No, a 65w intel chip will not match a 200w amd chip in performance. I was talking about efficiency - my bad for not specifying - but I think the comment I quoted was also talking about efficiency primarily since the central point of his argument was the power draw.

 

[bit_user]

Don't worry, intel will also release 65w parts. AMD will need 300% more power, it's clear what tech is more advanced, right?

I think we'd do well not to get ahead of the facts about who will need how much power to match whom.

I also find the premise somewhat flawed, because I doubt anyone buys a slower CPU but then overclocks it by the exact amount needed to match the performance of a different CPU that they didn't buy. I think that's a misuse of efficiency metrics.

 

[helper800]

I think we'd do well not to get ahead of the facts about who will need how much power to match whom.

Agreed. It could easily be Intel retrenching itself into a winning position or AMD doing the same. Ebb and flow of CPU performance has been great the last few years, here's to hoping for more stiff competition.