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Vista's Flaws Surface Again on Eve of Windows 7 Beta

Attendees of the International Conference on Cyber Security 2009 in New York Tuesday were reminded of the shortcomings of Windows Vista a day before Microsoft is expected to reveal the first beta for its follow-up, Windows 7.

Microsoft Investigative Consultant Michael Dunner asked attendees how many of them have used Vista as he gave a presentation on the security differences between that OS and Windows 7.

When people in the audience raised their hands, Dunner then asked, "How many of you like it?" Only about half of those who acknowledged using Vista raised their hands.

Dunner also called Vista's User Account Control (UAC) feature "annoying" and one of its "biggest problems," to which one audience member responded, "Yes, it is annoying."
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Wow another statement on how much Vista sucks, I just hope Winblows 7 isn't just Vista SP2. Also while I'm wishing, I wish they get rid of 32bit OS'es altogether or have more support for 64bit.
 
Maybe I should place an ad an offer to teach people how use Vista Operating systems. I don't know, I just do not have a problem with Vista. User Acciunt Control is too tough for these people... I mean you must be kidding. The lady who cuts my hair is like in her 50's, enjoys music. family photos, web browsing and burning CDs, etc. She even has an external drive to keep all her music and photos on. She said UAC doesn't bother her at all! I loaded up a Vista 64 installation last night and it works flawlessy without one single solitary problem of any nature. Nada. I'm just saying.
 
I like the Vista UAC. It keeps my kids from screwing up all 3 of my PC's. On-line banking/brokerage has a similar UI i.e. you get one last look before the transaction becomes final.
 
badge, I totally agree.

I've been using Vista for almost 2 years and when I use an XP system it just feels old. I admit that me and Vista got off to a rocky start but it's solid and stable and I don't have a problem with it. People that complain about it are just those that are resistant to change or they may have heard it was bad or used it once and it didn't have the familiarity of their XP system so they didn't like it.

MS does need to do a better job of ironing out the wrinkles before release rather than waiting for a SP to fix their issues.

BTW: If you can't figure out how to turn UAC off, you need it.
 
This poster disagrees with the article and the author's anti-vista perspective. So he has posted these links he feels are more "positive", whatever that means:

That Win 7 beta 1 will be available for MDC attendees:
http://blogs.msdn.com/benko/archive/2009/01/06/windows-7-beta-1-for-mdc-attendees.aspx


Or that "Official" (non Torrented) bits could be availiable this week?
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1792


Or that it has some functionality that allows it to heal itself:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3256


Or that Windows 7 build 7000 64-bit version hits torrent sites
http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2009/01/07/windows-7-build-7000-64-bit-version-hits-torrent-sites

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I'm pretty sure the biggest problem with Vista (as with most OS) is between the chair an the keyboard.

Except MacOS, in that particular case the problem is in the OS.
 

Clearly, there are millions that would disagree with you - but you are entitled to that opinion.
 
Ugh, most of the average consumers who hate vista bought a dell. Dell destroys their pcs with hammers that pound pure **** into your hdd before they ship them to you. The **** then proceeds to crash stable and working parts of vista with odd and unstable dell versions of things like the sidebar (and topbar, apparently). The solution, remove said **** through the control panel.

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I believe those millions sit squarely between the chair and the keyboard :kaola:
 

i totally agree with you and badge. and that's so true if you dunno how to turn UAC off, you definitely definitely need it. the average user dont' really even know how to reformat a computer from start to finish, and just complain about one extra mouse click. they probably use norton anti-virus and think that is the best thing on earth and dunno why their comp is running so slow with bloated software from venders. (long runon)

and...vista? bloated? reallie? that wasn't sarcasm as i've been using it for over half a year now, and i don't notice a thing. i have my UAC on because it's so useful against backdoor entry programs that get around your system without you knowing it.

i don't really find it annoying to click "allow", because the extra security is worth it imo.

i love xp to death, i can't go back on it either b/c it does feel old...sadly. it sux that vista had bad press initially, SP1 was a miracle for it.
 


Right now my Vista x64 feels faster than my XP x86 has ever been (apart from in KOTOR ) and apart from the fact my audio kinda sux.
 
I've been using Vista 64 for a little over 3 months now and I like it a lot. Like others have said if you bought a PC from Dell or and the likes surely the system is loaded with tons of useless software that just slows any system down.

The first thing I did after installing Vista was to turn off UAC ( I found out how to do it so I guess I don't need it 😀 ) and after a little more tweaks, mostly the same ones I did in XP, my pc runs just fine with Vista !
 


The only thing that really annoys me with Vista is that sometimes it doesn't allow me to delete folders off my desktop and I find it happens less often with UAC off.



Funny you say that because I'm almost finished with KOTOR 2 again. Saw it on the shelf a while back and decided it was time to play again. Older games do have a difficult time with Vista, I had to do some patches and work arounds to get it running correctly.



On my Toshiba laptop that came with Vista Home Premium I found something that would copy the activation then used my retail Home Premium disk to do a clean install then used the program again to activate.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=120228
 
No matter what anyone says Vista was a step in the right direction.

A hardware accelerated desktop helps performance and generally makes windows look better(no page tearing on the desktop and a smother experience).

Supertetch like it or not uses ALL memory it can to preload apps you use often, this leads to faster program load times. There is NEVER been a point in having lots of memory to not use it all.

64-bit should be the future. So this is a better start then XP 64 was.

Vista tends to make better use of higher end hardware then XP did.

I have found countless features that DO make my daily computer use easier.

The biggest issue with Vista in the start was poor drivers from companies who had plenty of time to work on them but chose to not bother until release forced them to. Nvidia was a big culprit here, there 8800GTX drivers where still not that stable when the first SP came around. I personally did not get Vista until SP1 so i may have avoided a lot of bugs, but the same thing happened with XP.

The only games I could not get to run on Vista 64 are once that are either 16-bit or had 16-bit installers. Those games work great on my laptop anyway 😛
 


I got away from NAV several years ago because it was slow and buggy and unstable but I have to say the 2009 is very good. I read some good things about the Internet Security 2009 so I downloaded the trial and was very impressed, so much so that I bought it yesterday. I think the added pressure from One Care Live as well as products like Kaspersky, Trend Micro and Avast getting better and taking market share has caused them to really work on improving it.
 
Agree w/ badge and the other pro-Vista guys out there. I think the source of most of the Vista flaming is that people forgot how much trouble it was to migrate from Win98 to XP because it was so long ago. (Yes, I'm skipping ME...) It's ALWAYS tough to migrate when hardware fabs drag their feet to get stable drivers out. It ALWAYS takes some getting used to a new GUI and tweaked file system. That shouldn't keep you from using new things.
Now, before the MacOS fans start coming out of the woodwork, Apple has a whole different way of doing things: baby-step updates that get new names instead of service-pack numbers. If MS named every service pack something sexy and claimed it was a new OS, maybe there would be less complaining. <shrug>
That being said, the bloatware has got to go. If MS would make the OS more modular so things you never use could be removed without scrambling the whole system that would go a long way in making people happier. Sure it's convenient to have everything pre-cached and pre-loaded and quick-launched and bookmarked, until you realize that it's a giant mess because everything is all in one huge pile. I should be able to remove (not just disable or whatever they call it) IE and WMP and Windows Firewall and Remote Access and Telephony and ReadyBoost and... all this *%$! that I never use. Probably 60% of the OS is useless to me, and I consider myself to be a pretty savvy user. If all these threads, programs and services could be put in an "off" (not a stopped-but-ready-to-leap-into-action-so-im-still-using-cpu-and-memory-space) from a logical console that would be great - like Windows Defender, but better. Or even have a "smart" program that shuts down and uninstalls these things (or prompts you to do so) if they haven't been called in months.
 
Got an XPS M1330 a few months ago with Vista bundled in. Immediately downgraded to XP, and was happy for a while. But then I started missing all those little touches that made Vista much easier to use (even if it slowed down more often), like explorer address breadcrumbs and auto-switching to projectors for instance.

I reformatted, reinstalled Vista, and removed all third-party software and surprisingly, everything was faster! 😀 (didn't even remove all that UI eye-candy). So Feenyx's right: this former Vista-hater's become less angry at Microsoft, but the bloatware's gotta go—and manufacturers shouldn't charge for removing it! And the OS could do without some other features (just like how Word could've done without that annoying paperclip)

Maybe that's why Vista has all those Editions (Basic, Home, Premium, Ultimate). But that was a marketing mistake! People started thinking Microsoft was getting greedy, holding back "crucial" features for people willing to pay less, but I daresay Basic is enough for almost everyone's computing needs.

My $0.02. 😗
 
Agree w/ badge and the other pro-Vista guys out there. I think the source of most of the Vista flaming is that people forgot how much trouble it was to migrate from Win98 to XP because it was so long ago. (Yes, I'm skipping ME...) It's ALWAYS tough to migrate when hardware fabs drag their feet to get stable drivers out. It ALWAYS takes some getting used to a new GUI and tweaked file system. That shouldn't keep you from using new things.
Now, before the MacOS fans start coming out of the woodwork, Apple has a whole different way of doing things: baby-step updates that get new names instead of service-pack numbers. If MS named every service pack something sexy and claimed it was a new OS, maybe there would be less complaining. <shrug>
That being said, the bloatware has got to go. If MS would make the OS more modular so things you never use could be removed without scrambling the whole system that would go a long way in making people happier. Sure it's convenient to have everything pre-cached and pre-loaded and quick-launched and bookmarked, until you realize that it's a giant mess because everything is all in one huge pile. I should be able to remove (not just disable or whatever they call it) IE and WMP and Windows Firewall and Remote Access and Telephony and ReadyBoost and... all this *%$! that I never use. Probably 60% of the OS is useless to me, and I consider myself to be a pretty savvy user. If all these threads, programs and services could be put in an "off" (not a stopped-but-ready-to-leap-into-action-so-im-still-using-cpu-and-memory-space) from a logical console that would be great - like Windows Defender, but better. Or even have a "smart" program that shuts down and uninstalls these things (or prompts you to do so) if they haven't been called in months.
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Vista is cool. Don't need those programs? I think there was a program called v-lite or something...

All current OSes are bloated in my opinion... well those that bundle too much at least...
 
boy has vista come a long way...i've been using my brother's relatively new acer laptop, that came with vista, and it runs really, really well...almost too well...i was damn surprised...especially after i tried using vista and after a month I just had to abort...
 
Had problem with my brother's Vista install at first. All downloaded programs wouldn't run. I was blaming Vista and getting very frustrated/angry.

Finally, I realized it was the drivers for his usb wireless adapter. Now all is good.

On my own Vista installation I am running as a non-admin user and UAC is a little annoying but I decided to have it that way. I might just change the password to something easier as I have to enter it so often.
 
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