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Senator Orin Hatch is trying to introduce legislation that would
effectively make VCRs illegal. I guess that would make Tivo, Replay,
PC's and a host of other perfectly legitimate technology illegal too.

Apparently it's already facing heavy opposition, which is a good thing.
Write your representatives and express your opposition too.

Don't take my word for it, use the links in this article :

http://news.com.com/Antipiracy+bill+targets+technology/2100-1028_3-5238140.html
 
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"Keith Clark" <clarkphotography@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:40D3273D.2653B2EE@hotmail.com...
> Senator Orin Hatch is trying to introduce legislation that would
> effectively make VCRs illegal. I guess that would make Tivo, Replay,
> PC's and a host of other perfectly legitimate technology illegal too.
>
> Apparently it's already facing heavy opposition, which is a good thing.
> Write your representatives and express your opposition too.
>
> Don't take my word for it, use the links in this article :
>
> http://news.com.com/Antipiracy+bill+targets+technology/2100-1028_3-5238140.html

I wish we could buy Mr. Hatch his own country. He'd make
a fabulous fascist.

Rick
 
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Rick wrote:

> "Keith Clark" <clarkphotography@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:40D3273D.2653B2EE@hotmail.com...
> > Senator Orin Hatch is trying to introduce legislation that would
> > effectively make VCRs illegal. I guess that would make Tivo, Replay,
> > PC's and a host of other perfectly legitimate technology illegal too.
> >
> > Apparently it's already facing heavy opposition, which is a good thing.
> > Write your representatives and express your opposition too.
> >
> > Don't take my word for it, use the links in this article :
> >
> > http://news.com.com/Antipiracy+bill+targets+technology/2100-1028_3-5238140.html
>
> I wish we could buy Mr. Hatch his own country. He'd make
> a fabulous fascist.
>
> Rick

That's what happens when people who don't understand anything about technology take bribes from
Hollywood to write laws. Disney "owns" many senators, as does the RIAA and MPAA. It's a crime the
corruption that's been happening in congress (since Day One) - but the real crime is the passiveness of
the general public who just can't imagine that anyone would want to take away their right to record
what they paid for. I paid to watch the content coming into my home, and if I want to watch it on my
schedule instead of someone else's, with or without commercials, well that's my right. They seem to
forget that people's ability to record TV isn't causing any significant loss of revenue. People who
*want* all the episodes of Friends on DVD for example will go buy them. People who download from
peer-peer networks are a tiny fraction of the market, so stopping them from downloading won't increase
sales. The rest of us, who simply record for timeshifting and occasional archiving aren't causing any
loss of sales either (I'm looking forward to the new Babylon 5 DVDs coming out). If Hollywood and the
RIAA want to make more money the answer is really simple : they just have to put out better quality
movies and music.
 
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> On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Jun 2004 11:20:28 -0400) it happened "Mike Kujbida"
> <kujfam-misleadingspam@sympatico.ca> wrote in <2jj3u5F1100pbU1@uni-berlin.de>:
>
> >Keith Clark wrote:
> >> Senator Orin Hatch is trying to introduce legislation that would
> >> effectively make VCRs illegal. I guess that would make Tivo, Replay,
> >> PC's and a host of other perfectly legitimate technology illegal too.
> >>
> >> Apparently it's already facing heavy opposition, which is a good
> >> thing. Write your representatives and express your opposition too.
> >>
> >> Don't take my word for it, use the links in this article :
> >>
> >>
> >http://news.com.com/Antipiracy+bill+targets+technology/2100-1028_3-5238140.html
> So, if I read that link, it seems to me there are not to many copies,
> but too many lawyers.
> It is dangerous for industry, no production of recorders, DVD burners,
> etc would be allowed.
> Insane.
> We need the industry and the sales.
> And we need to be able to record our own stuff.
> Only solution a nuke?
> JP
>

As in in Shakespeare's Henry VI? ;->
 
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On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:32:45 -0700, Keith Clark
<clarkphotography@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Senator Orin Hatch is trying to introduce legislation that would
>effectively make VCRs illegal. I guess that would make Tivo, Replay,
>PC's and a host of other perfectly legitimate technology illegal too.
>
>Apparently it's already facing heavy opposition, which is a good thing.
>Write your representatives and express your opposition too.
>
>Don't take my word for it, use the links in this article :
>
>http://news.com.com/Antipiracy+bill+targets+technology/2100-1028_3-5238140.html


This bill is too absurd to pass, which is why those pushing it
should be watched very closely.

Here's why.
When you were a kid, did you ever ask your parents for something
outrageously expensive so that when you asked for what you really
wanted, it would seem inexpensive by comparison? This bill is so
outrageously all-encompassing that it will have quite a few
electronics manufacturers up in arms. Then the backers of the bill
will tone it down to what they really want. Something that will seem
tame compared to the current bill, but would have been shot down if
introduced first.

DSF
 
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Well, what about the morons that put them in office to start with. You can't
tell me that the lame, half-assed ideas just started once they became
senators.

John
 
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"John Doe" <john_doe@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Ov8Dc.19052$Fo4.248061@typhoon.sonic.net...
> Well, what about the morons that put them in office to start with.

What about them? They're the ones who moan, bitch and
complain about their elected officials, then go into polling
booths every few years and vote for the same idiots.

>You can't
> tell me that the lame, half-assed ideas just started once they became
> senators.

In most cases that's exactly what happens. Power corrupts.

Rick
 
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"Keith Clark" <clarkphotography@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:40DD04BF.B50AEEE9@hotmail.com...
>
> The current mood in Congress is something like the McCarthy era. Paranoia
and witch
> hunts rule the day. Congress is literally in the pockets of Hollywood.
>
Uh Huh, The predominately Republican congress is in the
pockets of the predominately liberal folks in Hollywood.

The so called liberal media has no interest in talking about
Clinton's accomplishments so they concentrate on the
impeachment and Monica whenever they interview him.

Sounds like a great right wing conspiracy to me 🙂

David
 
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I am writing letters to Hatch and my Senators from Washington State. Email
tends to get a form response.

Bob
 
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"david.mccall" wrote:

> "Keith Clark" <clarkphotography@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:40DD04BF.B50AEEE9@hotmail.com...
> >
> > The current mood in Congress is something like the McCarthy era. Paranoia
> and witch
> > hunts rule the day. Congress is literally in the pockets of Hollywood.
> >
> Uh Huh, The predominately Republican congress is in the
> pockets of the predominately liberal folks in Hollywood.
>
> The so called liberal media has no interest in talking about
> Clinton's accomplishments so they concentrate on the
> impeachment and Monica whenever they interview him.
>
> Sounds like a great right wing conspiracy to me 🙂
>
> David

It's about money, not left vs right wing. Whoever has the most money writes the
laws. It's been that way since day one. Some of us would like to change that,
but I guess that's just idealism that has no place in the real world. Still we
can hope...

That said, you're right about the media. They stopped being relevant long ago.
Almost none of them bother to do any fact checking. They're all just a bunch of
fancy tabloids.

And for the record, I'm a registered independent, I don't like either party
particularly.
 
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Leanin' Cedar wrote:

> I am writing letters to Hatch and my Senators from Washington State. Email
> tends to get a form response.
>
> Bob

Tell them you'll vote against them and contribute to their opponents. That
will hit them where it hurts.
 
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Yes, and letters get used to light their cigars. Here is hoping every last
one of the drop dead from cancer.

Robert
 
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"Keith Clark" <clarkphotography@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:40DD9590.9CF2C1E7@hotmail.com...
>
> And for the record, I'm a registered independent, I don't like either
party
> particularly.
>
Me too. I always have such a hard time figuring out which party
is worse, that I just register as an independent and choose later.

Once you strip away the rhetoric, they really aren't that different.
Either side will happily screw you, if it will help them get elected.

David
 
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"Rick" <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:2k4nv2F17nn3oU1@uni-berlin.de:

> "John Doe" <john_doe@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:Ov8Dc.19052$Fo4.248061@typhoon.sonic.net...
>> Well, what about the morons that put them in office to start with.
>
> What about them? They're the ones who moan, bitch and
> complain about their elected officials, then go into polling
> booths every few years and vote for the same idiots.
>
>>You can't
>> tell me that the lame, half-assed ideas just started once they became
>> senators.
>
> In most cases that's exactly what happens. Power corrupts.
>
> Rick
>
>
>

You'll also notice that most of the really outrageous senators are the
the ones who have been re-elected many times. They live in D.C. and
have no idea what a real life is. Completely isolated from the real
world.

Even though it might once in a blue moon keep a good guy from getting
re-elected, I like the idea of term limits. It would do more good than
bad.

--
Tim.

"Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve
neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
 
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"Tim V." wrote:

> "Rick" <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:2k4nv2F17nn3oU1@uni-berlin.de:
>
> > "John Doe" <john_doe@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:Ov8Dc.19052$Fo4.248061@typhoon.sonic.net...
> >> Well, what about the morons that put them in office to start with.
> >
> > What about them? They're the ones who moan, bitch and
> > complain about their elected officials, then go into polling
> > booths every few years and vote for the same idiots.
> >
> >>You can't
> >> tell me that the lame, half-assed ideas just started once they became
> >> senators.
> >
> > In most cases that's exactly what happens. Power corrupts.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> >
>
> You'll also notice that most of the really outrageous senators are the
> the ones who have been re-elected many times. They live in D.C. and
> have no idea what a real life is. Completely isolated from the real
> world.
>
> Even though it might once in a blue moon keep a good guy from getting
> re-elected, I like the idea of term limits. It would do more good than
> bad.
>

And then there are people like Rick Boucher, who actually seems to have a
grasp of the issues surrounding laws restricting technology. This is a great
interview no matter which party you vote for, if any.

http://news.com.com/The+Hill%27s+property+rights+showdown/2008-1025_3-5243241.html
 
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"Rick" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:2k4nv2F17nn3oU1@uni-berlin.de...
> "John Doe" <john_doe@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Ov8Dc.19052$Fo4.248061@typhoon.sonic.net...
> > Well, what about the morons that put them in office to start with.
>
> What about them? They're the ones who moan, bitch and
> complain about their elected officials, then go into polling
> booths every few years and vote for the same idiots.

It seems that none of you guys have noticed. But our elected officials are
continually re-elected based on the amount of pork they can bring into their
state. That means everyone of these guys is only working for 1/50 of the
best interest of the US as a whole.
 
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"FLY135" <fly_135(@ hot not not)notmail.com> wrote in message news😛90Ec.17655$bs4.3078@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> "Rick" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:2k4nv2F17nn3oU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > "John Doe" <john_doe@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:Ov8Dc.19052$Fo4.248061@typhoon.sonic.net...
> > > Well, what about the morons that put them in office to start with.
> >
> > What about them? They're the ones who moan, bitch and
> > complain about their elected officials, then go into polling
> > booths every few years and vote for the same idiots.
>
> It seems that none of you guys have noticed. But our elected officials are
> continually re-elected based on the amount of pork they can bring into their
> state.

No, they're re-elected based on the amount of special
interest/corporate money they can amass in their given term.
Politicians devote most of their energy to staying in office;
running the country and amassing pork for their states are
secondary activities.

> That means everyone of these guys is only working for 1/50 of the
> best interest of the US as a whole.

Tim's comments are exactly correct -- the real problem here
is career politicians. Term limits for congress are about 200
years overdue and should have been written into the federal
constitution when limits for the executive branch were adopted.

Rick
 
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FLY135 wrote:

> "Rick" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:2k4nv2F17nn3oU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > "John Doe" <john_doe@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:Ov8Dc.19052$Fo4.248061@typhoon.sonic.net...
> > > Well, what about the morons that put them in office to start with.
> >
> > What about them? They're the ones who moan, bitch and
> > complain about their elected officials, then go into polling
> > booths every few years and vote for the same idiots.
>
> It seems that none of you guys have noticed. But our elected officials are
> continually re-elected based on the amount of pork they can bring into their
> state. That means everyone of these guys is only working for 1/50 of the
> best interest of the US as a whole.

Are you sure? I know women who voted for Gore because he was "better looking". I
know other people who base their entire political opinions on the sound bites
they hear on the 2 minute radio news.

I think your assessment assumes an educated electorate - sadly, I don't think
that's the case. It would be nice if people had to pass a basic literacy /
awareness test before being allowed to vote...
 
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The other thing you will notice is most of these senators are older than
dust, which means the last high tech device they touched was an abacus or
the thing they use to inflate their penile implant. Either way they have no
business making any decisions that involved anything high tech. Frankly
their needs to be an age limit for politicians. After a say 55, they are so
out of touch they should be taken out in to the woods and used for target
practice.

John
 
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John Doe wrote:

> The other thing you will notice is most of these senators are older than
> dust, which means the last high tech device they touched was an abacus or
> the thing they use to inflate their penile implant. Either way they have no
> business making any decisions that involved anything high tech. Frankly
> their needs to be an age limit for politicians. After a say 55, they are so
> out of touch they should be taken out in to the woods and used for target
> practice.
>
> John

Careful, no age discrimination here. Remember, Andy Grove is a senior citizen
and I doubt anyone would consider him technically clueless.

There are some (not many) good legislators and a few (not many) good judges at
every age. There are also terrible ones at every age. Problem is the terrible
ones outnumber the good ones, and are more vocal.

I know some incredibly clueless 25 year olds, by the way. But I'd never suggest
using someone for target practice because they're 25 (or 55). There are other
circumstances for which I'd recommend it, but I won't go into that here. ;->

The Orin Hatch bill is getting a lot of attention. The two minute ABC news
highlights at noon mentioned it today, and they used the "this bill is so bad
it would make VCRs and Tivos illegal" approach, so hopefully it'll get shot
down before it can get very far. This stuff needs to be attacked instantly and
never allowed to gain a foothold or we'll be talking fondly about the "good old
days" when the worst thing around was the DMCA and CSS.
 
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