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Ok I know many people have asked this same question, but, I would like to ask anyway.

I have read that a P4 3.2c is not good to overclock.How will the 3.0c work?

Here is my spec to date:
P4C800 DELUXE mobo
1GB HyperX PC3500 (Kingston)
ATI 9800 Pro
1-Serial ATA WD Raptor 36.7GB 10000 RPM 8MB
1-Caviar 80GB EIDE, Ultra ATA/100, 7200 RPM
SB Audigy 2

The question I have is which of the P4 chips will do the job to overclock but not put a strain on the system and not force to get more fans put in the case. I have 2 main fans in the case right now. They are stock fans and I can't remember the case manufacture.

I play games, surf the net and use it from time to time to do recordings.

If you have any advice or anything I could change please let me know.

Being this is my first build and first real OC I just would like help picking the best chip.

Thanks in advance.

"We learn the rope of life by untying its knots"
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by pittpens on 09/09/03 10:13 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
The question is how far do you want to overclock, be sure to get at least an Enermax 450 power supply or better. Sapphire 9800pro's core overclocks better than the ATI version. If you're overclocking then don't get bad ram, get the PC4000 OCZ or Corsair.

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Well I am not sure how far I would like to take it. I know I want to try OC and being my first time to build and OC I was not sure on a few things.

I was going to buy the Antec TRUE550 PSU.


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Save some money and get a 2.8 or 2.6 chip. A 2.6ghz P4 overclocked to even 3.0ghz will run faster than a standard 3.2ghz chip if you keep the memory at the same speed as the FSB (about 231mhz). And overclocked to 3.2ghz with 250mhz fsb, you'r talking super speed!

Or you could try your luck and get the fastest memory there is, buy a 2.4ghz P4 and run the memory at a lower speed but keeping the FSB at 300mhz, a speed of 3.5ghz and over is achievable, thats if the cpu can handle it.

A safe bet is a 2.6 o/c to 3.2 with 250mhz fsb and memory.
A thing to try if you feel confident is a 2.4 o/c to 3.2
Or if you want to save a lot of money, get a 2500 barton, oc it to 2.4ghz and have a setup as fast as a 3ghz P4 😛

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If I were you I'd get water-cooling, with VGA and chipset blocks as well. The Radeon card with VGA block can be overclocked to 490mhz safely if you're lucky. I lucked out got there with air cool. For the CPU if I were you I'd get the 2.8C, because it has 14x multiplier, when you get DDR4000 memory, OCZ or corsair has the ability to overclock past 265mhz, so that's 265x14, it's 3710mhz. That's insane frequency at syncronzied FSB. Also make sure the chip is made in Malaysia it says on the box.

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Wish I could unlock Intel's Multiplier, bast@rds locked it, that's 1 of the few reasons I love AMD.

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So what kind of ram would youi recommend for say a 2.6 or 2.8?
Also what kind of cooling are we talking about to oc a 2.6 or 2.8 to say a 3.0? Say in terms of fans? I have two in the case now. One at the top rear and one in front bottom.

"We learn the rope of life by untying its knots"
 
So what kind of ram would you recommend for say a 2.6 or 2.8?
Also what kind of cooling are we talking about to oc a 2.6 or 2.8 to say a 3.0? Say in terms of fans? I have two in the case now. One at the top rear and one in front bottom.

"We learn the rope of life by untying its knots"
 
For case cooling, have 2 intake fans (80mm 40cfm if possible). I have mine over the graphics card and the cpu. And then have at least one out take fan at the top of the case.

My out take sits under the cd-rw, so sucks the air out blown off of the heatsink on the cpu and also the hot air from the hard drives. Also my psu takes air out at the back of the case.

Memory for a 2.6-3ghz overclock means the FSB will be about 233mhz, so some PC3700 memory will do the trick. Twinmos 233mhz should be ok.

Oh and scott m8, the new A64 is locked, so expect some ub0r FSB overclocks from the new mobos later on, just like on intel boards now.

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What brand do you think would be best of the 3700? I liked Kingston, but someone said OZC are just as good for the money.



oops OCZ
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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by pittpens on 09/09/03 02:03 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
Buy OCZ DDR4000 Gold 2x512 dual channel kit if money isn't a concern. I'm using 512 versions because i haven't found an application that uses full 512meg. The OCZ DDR4000 has been overclocked from 250 to 291 however with 3.3vdimm which voids the warrenty. So I recommend you using 2.85 on ur mobo and get it to about 285mhz syncronized with the FSB, that'll give you enough performance forever(well about 1 year) with 2.8C and SLK900U for cooling.

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It's not that the 3.2C won't go as fast as a 2.4C, 2.6c, 2.8C or 3.0C. It will! It might even go faster! But say all of those went to 3.4GHz max:

The 2.4C would be overclocked 42%, and would be running a bus speed of 283MHz! You'll never find RAM that goes that fast! The 5:4 ratio would still require PC3700!

The 2.6C would be overclocked 31%. You MIGHT find PC4000 that can reach the bus speed of 262MHz...and a 5:4 ratio would require PC3500.

The 2.8C would be overclocked 21%. PC4000 would work at full bus clock of 242MHz.

The 3.0C would be overclocked 13%. PC3700 would work at full bus clock of 227MHz.

The 3.2C would be overclocked only 6%. Some PC3200 would work, PC3500 would be a safer bet.

So you see, if they all went to 3.4GHz, the 2.4C would be overclocked 42% (a GREAT overclock), but the 3.2C would only be overclocked 6% (a SMALL overclock).

What you should consider is what bus speed you would like to run. 250MHz seams reasonable, the 2.6C would get you to 3250MHz at that speed, using PC4000 at full speed. The 2.8C MIGHT get you to 3500MHz at 250 bus, but then again, it might not.

So if you want an easy overclock at the fastest memory speed available, the 2.6C sound like a great CPU. If you want a little more challenge to go a little faster, the 2.8C would be a good choice. Etc.

Seeing that you already have PC3500, rated for 216MHz, you might want to try the 3.0C at 3240MHz (and possibly a bit higher depending on how far you can overclock your memory past it's rated speed).

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I almost forgot to add, the 3.2C would also be a great choice for your memory, but would cost a bit more. It should do at least 3.4GHz with your RAM.

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Crashman are you sure 3.4 is the limit? because most of the ppl i know who who were rich enough to buy the 3.2 all got past the 3.7 barrier.

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he was being theoretical...i think...

3.6 is probably about the average Max


Proud owner of DOS 3.3 :smile: <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by piii_Man on 09/09/03 09:38 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
Oh ok.

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I was using 3.4GHz as an example. The 3.2 should go higher than 3.4 but probably not a lot higher on the stock cooler. Maybe 3.5-3.6 on a better air cooler, and water cooling could take you up another notch, and then you can get extreme.

People say that the 3.2 isn't as good an overclocker because you're not going to get a 40% overclock out of it like you might a 2.4C. But even if the percentage increase is lower, the max speed is likely to be somewhat higher (how much higher depending on the chip).

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Crashman,

How safe is it really to have a water cooling system setup? Also how much cooler would a water setup get the system?

I just want to make sure that if I put this kind of money into this system that I don't have to spend money to fix the PC if water does leak.

"We learn the rope of life by untying its knots"
 
Water cooling systems are only as safe as you make them. Their efficiency at removing heat is based on the surface area and air flow at the radiator. Even a small radiator is more efficient than a passive heatsink, so there's always some improvement.

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Dont know about the other guy but i just learned a whole lot of information, and was explaned excellentlly. Thank you mr. Crashman.
ps pIII notice no caps lock, see i am learning

the man of steel said that
 
I got 4 fans attached on 1 zalman fan bracket, I have both my side panel disassembled and removed the top, so it has superior abilibty to get rid of the heat.

-Intel PIV 2.4C @ 3.84G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Gold 2x256 3700EL memory @ 256mhz 2.5-3-3-7 -Sapphire 9800pro @ 490/780 -SB audigy -80G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 Ultra ATA-133 hdd -450 Enermax PSU
 
I used house fan but i needed it for my monitor.

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