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I was wondering if anyone could give me a few suggestions on a way to make a
melee character that would (if possible) have a easy time though the low
levels and beyond but be able to take enough levels in red dragon disciple
long enough to get the wings ( im cheesy). I saw them one time on a online
module and i just liked the look. I will be leveling very slow and either
high attack bonus or ac is a must.

If someone could put me on the right track with suggestions i could at least
maybe take it from there ,but im having a very hard time figuring out how to
do this without just taking the basic level as multi classing confuses the
heck out of me as far as penalties.

Thanks for any suggestions or comments. : )
 
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sentry76 wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone could give me a few suggestions on a way to make a
> melee character that would (if possible) have a easy time though the low
> levels and beyond but be able to take enough levels in red dragon disciple
> long enough to get the wings ( im cheesy). I saw them one time on a online
> module and i just liked the look. I will be leveling very slow and either
> high attack bonus or ac is a must.
>
> If someone could put me on the right track with suggestions i could at least
> maybe take it from there ,but im having a very hard time figuring out how to
> do this without just taking the basic level as multi classing confuses the
> heck out of me as far as penalties.

Choose your melee class--fighter, ranger, paladin, barbarian, monk.
Choose character stats appropriate to that class, with a Charisma of at
least 11.

If your choice is fighter, play a human, dwarf, or half-elf. If your
choice is barbarian, play a half-orc, half-elf, or human. If your
choice is one of the others, play a human or half-elf.

Take one level of bard or sorcerer and four levels of your melee class.
Take as much Lore as possible each level, bringing up to 8 at fifth level.

Take nine levels of Dragon Disciple. You'll have the wings you want.
 
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If you just want the wings look and not the powers, then you could just get
an editor and edit the character file to include them. It's pretty straight
forward once you have the tools. I think I used Leto

Alex

"sentry76" <sentry76@charter.net> wrote in message
news:10aluf7lmv5abc3@corp.supernews.com...
> I was wondering if anyone could give me a few suggestions on a way to make
a
> melee character that would (if possible) have a easy time though the low
> levels and beyond but be able to take enough levels in red dragon disciple
> long enough to get the wings ( im cheesy). I saw them one time on a online
> module and i just liked the look. I will be leveling very slow and either
> high attack bonus or ac is a must.
>
> If someone could put me on the right track with suggestions i could at
least
> maybe take it from there ,but im having a very hard time figuring out how
to
> do this without just taking the basic level as multi classing confuses the
> heck out of me as far as penalties.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions or comments. : )
>
>
 
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Thank you Kish for the suggestion, my other question would be if i take say
from your example, Human or dwarf Fighter and then one level of Sorcerer or
bard, could I add 1 or 2 levels of paladin (for the immune to disease and
fear) without getting the experience penalty?
The example that is given in the instruction manual for the multiclass
penalty is quite confusing.

So i guess what im asking is could i become a human fighter then add one
level of sorcerer (to become the red dragon disciple) then one or 2 levels
of paladin (for immunity) and then the red dragon disciple withOUT getting
the experience penalty? And would this character still be decent for lower
level fighting?

"Kish" <Kish_K@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:l1Dqc.50708$Gy3.40785@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...
> sentry76 wrote:
>
> > I was wondering if anyone could give me a few suggestions on a way to
make a
> > melee character that would (if possible) have a easy time though the low
> > levels and beyond but be able to take enough levels in red dragon
disciple
> > long enough to get the wings ( im cheesy). I saw them one time on a
online
> > module and i just liked the look. I will be leveling very slow and
either
> > high attack bonus or ac is a must.
> >
> > If someone could put me on the right track with suggestions i could at
least
> > maybe take it from there ,but im having a very hard time figuring out
how to
> > do this without just taking the basic level as multi classing confuses
the
> > heck out of me as far as penalties.
>
> Choose your melee class--fighter, ranger, paladin, barbarian, monk.
> Choose character stats appropriate to that class, with a Charisma of at
> least 11.
>
> If your choice is fighter, play a human, dwarf, or half-elf. If your
> choice is barbarian, play a half-orc, half-elf, or human. If your
> choice is one of the others, play a human or half-elf.
>
> Take one level of bard or sorcerer and four levels of your melee class.
> Take as much Lore as possible each level, bringing up to 8 at fifth
level.
>
> Take nine levels of Dragon Disciple. You'll have the wings you want.
>
 
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"sentry76" <sentry76@charter.net> wrote in message
news:10ammasn8nroa38@corp.supernews.com...
> Thank you Kish for the suggestion, my other question would be if i take
say
> from your example, Human or dwarf Fighter and then one level of Sorcerer
or
> bard, could I add 1 or 2 levels of paladin (for the immune to disease and
> fear) without getting the experience penalty?
> The example that is given in the instruction manual for the multiclass
> penalty is quite confusing.
>
> So i guess what im asking is could i become a human fighter then add one
> level of sorcerer (to become the red dragon disciple) then one or 2 levels
> of paladin (for immunity) and then the red dragon disciple withOUT getting
> the experience penalty? And would this character still be decent for lower
> level fighting?

Can't add in the Palidin levels like that as your limited to 3 classes

Fighter/Sorcerer/RDD

Though I don't see why you couldn't do Paladin/Sorcerer/RDD unless there is
an alginment requiredment for RDD?
 
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sentry76 wrote:

> Thank you Kish for the suggestion, my other question would be if i take say
> from your example, Human or dwarf Fighter and then one level of Sorcerer or
> bard, could I add 1 or 2 levels of paladin (for the immune to disease and
> fear) without getting the experience penalty?

You can only have three classes. Fighter/sorcerer/Dragon Disciple
works, but fighter/sorcerer/paladin/Dragon Disciple doesn't.
 
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"Alex" <assetsinc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c8f2r7$dmu$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> If you just want the wings look and not the powers, then you could just
get
> an editor and edit the character file to include them. It's pretty
straight
> forward once you have the tools. I think I used Leto
>
> Alex

But for someone whose barely getting to grips with the basic systems Leto
may be trying to run before you can walk.
 
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"sentry76" <sentry76@charter.net> wrote in message news:<10aluf7lmv5abc3@corp.supernews.com>...
> I was wondering if anyone could give me a few suggestions on a way to make a
> melee character that would (if possible) have a easy time though the low
> levels and beyond but be able to take enough levels in red dragon disciple
> long enough to get the wings ( im cheesy). I saw them one time on a online
> module and i just liked the look. I will be leveling very slow and either
> high attack bonus or ac is a must.
>
> If someone could put me on the right track with suggestions i could at least
> maybe take it from there ,but im having a very hard time figuring out how to
> do this without just taking the basic level as multi classing confuses the
> heck out of me as far as penalties.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions or comments. : )

I always reccomend the Bard over Sorcerer for melee RDD builds; bard
gives you access to the fantasticly useful "UMD" (Use Magic Devices)
skill, as well as Tumbling and several other useful skills.

Taking only a level or two of a class means that you can't think of
its long term strengths; you won't be getting those level 5 sorcerer
spells, nor will your bard song ever be much more than a few pretty
lights. Look at the feats and types of magic items the class lets you
use that your other classes don't.

Two things come to mind; bard useable items tend to be a lot more
useful to a melee than sorcerer useable items (monks aside). And
sorcerer gives you access to sorcerer usable items... but bard gives
you access to items intended for any class, and for any race for that
matter, via UMD skill.

What about the feats? Well in this case I don't think either class is
a big winner for a melee, although again I give the edge to bard for
his song (its not much, but it is a boost). On the other hand, a
familiar -can- be very handy, even a level one familiar that isn't
going to be able to help you in a fight or by picking locks too
difficult for a level one rogue (at high levels you'll be looking at
locks too difficult for a level 10 rogue, and your familiar will still
only be able to pick the level one types). Rather, its his unique
ability to let you possess him. Henchmen and summoned animals and so
on share a remarkable resistance to commands and hardly ever scout out
trouble for you other than by running in and engaging it when you wish
they wouldn't. A familiar, though, can be controlled, so it does what
-you- say. Pick one with high stealth skills, and you might be able
to check out rooms safely, and then use him (suicidally) to pull only
-part- of a room into range for you to split.

Despite the advantage the familiar poses in this way, I still say
advantage bard.

Lance
 
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> Can't add in the Palidin levels like that as your limited to 3 classes
> Fighter/Sorcerer/RDD
>
> Though I don't see why you couldn't do Paladin/Sorcerer/RDD unless there
is
> an alginment requiredment for RDD?

Yes, we can do Paladin/Sorcerer/RDD. The lawful alignment restriction makes
Paladin/Bard/RDD impossible though.
 
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"KC Wong" <my@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> > Can't add in the Palidin levels like that as your limited to 3 classes
> > Fighter/Sorcerer/RDD
> >
> > Though I don't see why you couldn't do Paladin/Sorcerer/RDD unless there
> is
> > an alginment requiredment for RDD?
>
> Yes, we can do Paladin/Sorcerer/RDD. The lawful alignment restriction
makes
> Paladin/Bard/RDD impossible though.
>
>

Coud you be a "fallen" paladin? Cheesy to plan it out like that but it could
go over no?
 
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"KC Wong" <my@privacy.net> wrote in message news:<2h2ffnF8g26mU1@uni-berlin.de>...
> > Can't add in the Palidin levels like that as your limited to 3 classes
> > Fighter/Sorcerer/RDD
> >
> > Though I don't see why you couldn't do Paladin/Sorcerer/RDD unless there
> is
> > an alginment requiredment for RDD?
>
> Yes, we can do Paladin/Sorcerer/RDD. The lawful alignment restriction makes
> Paladin/Bard/RDD impossible though.

Hardly impossible, just a bit trickier.

I have a character who is a paladin/blackguard, that was a simple
matter in the OC of leveling up as a paladin to where I had the skills
while deliberately making some of the "evil" choices so as to allow my
alignment to slip down near LN. When I had the right skills and feats
in hand, I then picked even more of the "evil" choices and rapidly
fell from LG to LN (I was on the cusp already) and then to LE.

I haven't yet gotten to 10 in blackguard, but when I do I intend to do
"good deeds" back up to LG so as to finish up the other half my first
20 levels in Paladin. Looks to be -easier- to do this, since there
are more good things to do than evil that don't violate my character
concept, odd as it is.

I don't see anything that would stop you going from LG to NG to pick
up a level of bard, then go RDD and your alignment won't matter for
quite a while, just make sure you get to LG again before it comes time
finally to do more Paladin levels. This might be a bit trickier since
there are fewer L/C choices in most campaigns... but there's nothing
to prevent it working other than that.

SPOILER












Of course I got the idea for the paladin/blackguard from Aribeth in
HOTU. Heck, if that brainwashed elflette can do it why can't I?
 
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> > Yes, we can do Paladin/Sorcerer/RDD. The lawful alignment restriction
> makes
> > Paladin/Bard/RDD impossible though.
>
> Coud you be a "fallen" paladin? Cheesy to plan it out like that but it
could
> go over no?

InsaneRanter 1, KC Wong 0

*slaps forehead* Yup, that's possible... especially with HotU finally making
Chaos/Lawful shifts and many other fan-created modules.
 
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Kish wrote:

> sentry76 wrote:
>
>> I was wondering if anyone could give me a few suggestions on a way to
>> make a
>> melee character that would (if possible) have a easy time though the low
>> levels and beyond but be able to take enough levels in red dragon
>> disciple
>> long enough to get the wings ( im cheesy). I saw them one time on a
>> online
>> module and i just liked the look. I will be leveling very slow and either
>> high attack bonus or ac is a must.
>>
>> If someone could put me on the right track with suggestions i could at
>> least
>> maybe take it from there ,but im having a very hard time figuring out
>> how to
>> do this without just taking the basic level as multi classing confuses
>> the
>> heck out of me as far as penalties.
>
>
> Choose your melee class--fighter, ranger, paladin, barbarian, monk.
> Choose character stats appropriate to that class, with a Charisma of at
> least 11.
>
> If your choice is fighter, play a human, dwarf, or half-elf. If your
> choice is barbarian, play a half-orc, half-elf, or human. If your
> choice is one of the others, play a human or half-elf.
>
> Take one level of bard or sorcerer and four levels of your melee class.
> Take as much Lore as possible each level, bringing up to 8 at fifth level.
>
I would reccomend taking 4 levels of your "something else" and then the
one level you need as Bard rather than sorcerer, as bard is a more
melee oriented class, but also taking them in that order and using saved
skill points to buy bard skills such as Tumble (giving you an AC bonus)
or Use Magic Devices (incredibly useful skill). More importantly, bards
get Lore as a class skill, if the class you picked doesnt' have it as a
class skill you will be spending twice as many points to get the Lore
high enough as if you save the points and spend them as a bard.
> Take nine levels of Dragon Disciple. You'll have the wings you want.
>
I hate to suggest this, but if the -only- reason you want the RDD levels
is to get the wings, you might just use LETO to add them to your
character, or perhaps create a mini module of your own with a piece of
gear that has wings graphics as part of the "armor" (I'm not sure the
latter can be done, but I think I saw similar things done in the CEP
sample module).

RDD can do a lot for your character, but depending on your "real" class,
it may mean sacrificing a lot too, and if you level slowly, you won't be
getting those wings for a LONG time.

Lance
 
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Lance Berg wrote:
> >
> I hate to suggest this, but if the -only- reason you want the RDD
levels
> is to get the wings, you might just use LETO to add them to your
> character,

LETO?


Hong
 
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Hong Ooi wrote:
> Lance Berg wrote:

> LETO?
>
>
> Hong
>
LETO is third-party software to allow editing NWN character files from
outside NWN. It's often used to add certain "special effects" to player
characters and DM avatars, like wings and tails, but it can do a lot of
other things as well.

http://nwvault.ign.com/Files/other/data/1046132033931.shtml
 
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"Hong Ooi" <hong@zipworld.com.au> wrote in message
news:1098245833.734510.83400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Lance Berg wrote:
> > >
> > I hate to suggest this, but if the -only- reason you want the RDD
> levels
> > is to get the wings, you might just use LETO to add them to your
> > character,
>
> LETO?

Your new to this game aren't you =)p
 
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Insane Ranter wrote:
> "Hong Ooi" <hong@zipworld.com.au> wrote in message
> news:1098245833.734510.83400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Lance Berg wrote:
> > > >
> > > I hate to suggest this, but if the -only- reason you want the RDD
> > levels
> > > is to get the wings, you might just use LETO to add them to your
> > > character,
> >
> > LETO?
>
> Your new to this game aren't you =)p
DON'T INTERRUPT!

Sheesh, the rudeness of some people.


Hong
 
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"Hong Ooi" <hong@zipworld.com.au> wrote in message
news:1098331978.582797.120490@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Insane Ranter wrote:
> > "Hong Ooi" <hong@zipworld.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:1098245833.734510.83400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > Lance Berg wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > I hate to suggest this, but if the -only- reason you want the RDD
> > > levels
> > > > is to get the wings, you might just use LETO to add them to your
> > > > character,
> > >
> > > LETO?
> >
> > Your new to this game aren't you =)p
> DON'T INTERRUPT!
>
> Sheesh, the rudeness of some people.

Pot....keetle....
 
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:15:20 -0400, "Insane Ranter" <spam@not.me> wrote:

>
>"Hong Ooi" <hong@zipworld.com.au> wrote in message
>news:1098331978.582797.120490@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Insane Ranter wrote:
>> > "Hong Ooi" <hong@zipworld.com.au> wrote in message
>> > news:1098245833.734510.83400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> > >
>> > > Lance Berg wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > I hate to suggest this, but if the -only- reason you want the RDD
>> > > levels
>> > > > is to get the wings, you might just use LETO to add them to your
>> > > > character,
>> > >
>> > > LETO?
>> >
>> > Your new to this game aren't you =)p
>> DON'T INTERRUPT!
>>
>> Sheesh, the rudeness of some people.
>
>Pot....keetle....
>

Keetoms?


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