ASRock Z370 Extreme4 a good choice? (its on sale)

[zmihlrad]

Hey guys. For starters I apologize if I am not allowed to blatantly ask like this. I know it is probably frowned upon but the motherboard is the main part of the PC build that really stumps me.

After asking in the general section, guys convinced me I should build again over buying. Im trying to take advantage of black friday obviously so I am looking at newegg sales.

I previously used ASRock in my last build (2012 🙁 ) and never experienced a problem so I figured I would go with it again.

Anyway, is this a good choice/sale price?

I will be using the Intel Core i7 Coffee lake processor.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813157789

 

[QwerkyPengwen]

for that price no. It's not.

If you could still get it for it's discounted price of $135 then yeah but it's currently sold out on Newegg for that price.

You can get it for $155 from here and get $20 back with a mail in rebate.
https://www.outletpc.com/zw2930-asrock-z370-extreme4-lga-1151-300-series-intel-z3.html?utm_source=zw2930-asrock-z370-extreme4-lga-1151-300-series-intel-z3&utm_medium=shopping%2Bengine&utm_campaign=pcpartpicker&utm_content=ASRock%2B-%2BMotherboards%20%3E%20Intel%20LGA1151&sscid=b1k2_lf66h

Otherwise, If you want an AsRock board that's decent for a good price go with the Pro4 for $110
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157796&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

But if you'd like a nicer motherboard that will be good for overclocking that costs the $135 then I suggest going with the Tomahawk from MSI.

Great quality board with easy to use BIOS.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1402559-REG/msi_z370_tomahawk_motherboard.html

I mean heck... if you really wanted the Extreme4 and don't want to purchase from OutletPC you can get it cheaper from Amazon and Wal-Mart for $168

 

[zmihlrad]

that sucks, it literally just sold out after I posted.

I'm not gonna be overclocking thats above my skillset.

 

[QwerkyPengwen]

mind telling me what CPU you plan to use with it?
Also, basic overclocking it easy as pie.
You just sync all cores in bios then bump the multiplier one notch at a time and run stress tests in between each bump to test stability until it isn't stable anymore then go back to last stable overclock.

Can of course push overclocks further than that once you start messing with voltages and load line calibrations but that's when it gets to be more finicky and majorly time consuming.

Just make sure you get a decent cooler to put on top of the CPU. (assuming it's a K series) and a decent but cheap cooler is something like the Hyper 212 EVO or the Cryorig H7

 

[QwerkyPengwen]

P.S. I've updated my previous posts to include just a little bit more information.

 

[zmihlrad]

I was looking at the Core I7 Coffee Lake also on sale

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117827&ignorebbr=1

 

[QwerkyPengwen]

Then overclocking is something you should look into for sure since it will give new life to your CPU later on in life, or just make it a balls to the walls beast right out the gate.

In any regard though, I would suggest to you to get the Tomahawk.

It's a high quality board for a more budget friendly price with the sales.

You won't be disappointed.

Getting a quality cooler is a must as well.

Don't know what your overall budget is though so I can only recommend based on general quality and low budget price.

Are you looking to build an entire system here?
Do you already have some parts?
Is this an upgrade to an existing system?

And overall, what kind of budget were you looking at for these upgrades?

 

[zmihlrad]

I am looking to build a full new system.

I have a dvd drive I can reuse... Not sure if I can reuse the power supply?

budget at most $1500 id say, but Id like a new monitor and keyboard so that knocks off $200.

I should add I am not an intense gamer. Im not looking to run the latest games on ludacris speed settings.

I play league of legends from time to time...

I mostly do autocad work. Current system freezes using it if I import to detailed of work/models.

I dont have the knowledge to know the diffeence, nor do I have any actual brand loyalty if you say the tomahawk is the move ill take your word for it and go that route lol

 

[QwerkyPengwen]

ok well.... going with that intel chip, you won't have much room after getting the necessary stuff for a higher end GPU.

But I'll build you out your two options here for both Intel and AMD.

For Intel you get this:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg Business)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.83 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370 TOMAHAWK ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg Business)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($52.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8 GB DUKE Video Card ($384.99 @ Newegg Business)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.98 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: ViewSonic - XG2401 23.6" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor ($179.99 @ B&H)
Keyboard: Razer - Blackwidow Tournament Edition Wired Gaming Keyboard ($59.63 @ Amazon)
Total: $1362.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-20 21:56 EST-0500


For AMD you get this:


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - Fatal1ty B450 GAMING K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($94.00 @ Amazon)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg Business)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($52.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 8 GB AMP! Edition Video Card ($469.99 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.98 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Samsung - LC27JG50QQNZA 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Razer - Blackwidow Tournament Edition Wired Gaming Keyboard ($59.63 @ Amazon)
Total: $1416.54
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-20 21:51 EST-0500

If wanting to go with the i7 you have to sacrifice GPU further than with the i5

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($339.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.83 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370 TOMAHAWK ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg Business)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($52.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.98 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: ViewSonic - XG2401 23.6" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor ($179.99 @ B&H)
Keyboard: Razer - Blackwidow Tournament Edition Wired Gaming Keyboard ($59.63 @ Amazon)
Total: $1407.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-20 21:46 EST-0500

Each one of these builds is with me keeping in mind that your budget will most likely have to include applicable taxes and shipping.
Which is why I chose B&H retailer for a couple of items since unless you live in New York or New Jersey, you won't pay taxes when purchasing.


Overall, by going with Ryzen you get the best in GPU and higher resolution monitor.
Going with the i5 gets you one notch down in GPU and 1080p.
going with i7 gets you another notch down in GPU and still 1080p.

If you have any detailed questions related to any of this feel free to ask.

 

[zmihlrad]

Wow that was very generous of you to take the time to put together thank you so much.

As far as the options you posted go, if HEAVY gaming isnt my goal am I better off with the i7 chip or the better GPU?

Also can I just reuse the power supply from my last build?

 

[QwerkyPengwen]

depends on what your old PSU is.

If you want to maximize the potential of your budget, going with the Ryzen helps.

While the i7 is better in some cases, it costs a hell of a lot more.

But assuming you have a quality PSU that has all the necessary cables for the system and if graphics horse power isn't as much of a need as CPU power for other things like video editing and streaming and stuff that is heavier on the CPU usage, then we can drop the PSU from the build and drop the GPU down from a 1080 to a 1070ti, then bump the RAM up to 3200MHz and pair it all with an X470 motherboard for better overclocking potential and for about the same price as the Ryzen 5 build.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($52.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8 GB DUKE Video Card ($399.00 @ Walmart)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.98 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Samsung - LC27JG50QQNZA 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Razer - Blackwidow Tournament Edition Wired Gaming Keyboard ($59.63 @ Amazon)
Total: $1401.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-21 11:39 EST-0500

BTW, none of my build include mail in rebates in the price so that it more accurately reflects what you're paying retail before taxes and shipping.
But seeing as there's no shipping costs for any of the items it's just taxes.

P.S. - Motherboard brand doesn't matter as much these days unless you're going for super cheap budget boards.
But even then it's starting to not matter anymore as manufacturers are starting to ensure higher quality building methods even for the cheap boards.

 

[ohenryy]

You should get the 1700X, it's a steal at this price!! get the money left and get the 2070 RTX 😉

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kfHg4q
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kfHg4q/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock - X470 Master SLI/AC ATX AM4 Motherboard ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($72.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($498.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.98 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($78.20 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Samsung - LC27JG50QQNZA 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Razer - Blackwidow Tournament Edition Wired Gaming Keyboard ($59.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $1484.11
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-21 21:54 EST-0500

 

[zmihlrad]

Sorry for the delay was at work for a while.

Looking to make the purchase today,

If the intel i7 is worth the money, id be willing to spend a few extra dollars on the GPU. $1500 isnt a hard budget but its around where I want to be.

Also, the extreme 4 is back in stock. Should I stay with the tomahawk or go with the extreme 4 for the black friday pricing?

I'm going to buy everything on newegg, its just easier to use one retailer. The pricing is within $5 basically for everything.


Right now my cart has

OS - Windows 10 64-bit
Motherboard - ASRock Extreme 4 or MSI Tomahawk
CPU - Intel core i7 Coffee Lake
RAM - G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2400
Cooler - Coolermaster Hyper 212 (with a syrine of arctic silver)
HDD - Seagate Barracuda 2TB
SSD - Crucial MX500 250gb
Power Supply - Rosewill HIVE 750w modular gaming power supply (its over half off)
Keyboard - Razer black widow tournament edition
Monitor - Viewsonic XG2401 24"
case - Fractal Design Focus G Black ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Obviously GPU is missing equation from this list. Do I really need to go with a $400 range GPU? If I do then I will but im not looking to play games on extreme settings either.

Also, would it be a poor choice to go the ACER gaming 24" monitor instead? Better sale and cheaper.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824011245&ignorebbr=1

Without GPU im at $1,092.75 free shipping.