Question Asrock Z590 OC Formula cooling ?

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Oldschool296

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I built a budget motherboard at first before buiyng a i9k. Now i have a i5-11400F along with G.SKILL Trident Z Royal Series (Intel XMP) DDR4 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 4000MT/s CL18-22-22-42 1.40V Desktop Computer Memory UDIMM - Silver (F4-4000C18D-32GTRS). I have 4 EZDIY FAB New Dual Ring RGB Fan, 120MM, RGB LED Case, Addressable RGB Motherboard Sync with Hub X. And a small Kolink chassi VOID | kolink.eu it was suited for ATX and my board is EATX, it was 08mm to big. I had to take away a aluminium plate inside to make it suit. Have i got a too small chassi for this board?

I have two fans on the top off the chassi and three in the front and one 120mm in the back. The cpu cooler was also a cheap Cooler Master Hyper H410R RGB 92mm fan along with standard paste. The cpu temp in Windows 10 without works use to be 41-43, the motherboard 40-43. Isn't it a little high? I live in europe and the room temp is around 25-30 degress. In my Dell T3500 workstation that don't have any cpu cooler at all, it has 2 strong 120mm so called industri fans in front of the cpu. The cpu runs at 27 at idle. Does newer motherboards and cpu run warmer? This is my first newer computer besides my Dell T3500. The cpu can run memory at 3200mhz at max. It seems to be on 1333mhz now.

Note: I placed the top fans and front fans with the information label pointed upwards and to the front. Did i place the fans right? There was no arrows on them. I checked and they was right. I was getting even higher temps when i tried to change. I added a 120mm to my hub and placed it on my cpu tower. Now the temps are, cpu 37-38 and motherboard 39 with the 5 120mm fans at highest 1300rpm. Do i need a double cpu tower cooler like Noctua with artic paste? With 2 120mm fans. Or is the chassi to small? Dimensions: 190 x 430 x 400 mm (W x H x D)
 
Oldschool296 said:
Does newer motherboards and cpu run warmer?
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That, and also the fact that your Dell T3500 most likely has better CPU cooler than your new gaming PC.

Oldschool296 said:
The cpu temp in Windows 10 without works use to be 41-43, the motherboard 40-43. Isn't it a little high?
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That's normal.

With CPU, you can start worrying when you see 80+C out of it. 90+C means thermal throttle and 100+C means CPU will burn up.

Oldschool296 said:
Do i need a double cpu tower cooler like Noctua with artic paste?
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i5-11400F doesn't need better CPU cooler than the one it comes with.

Core i9 K-series (e.g i9-11900K) doesn't come with CPU cooler and it does need beefy (twin-tower) CPU cooler.
 
I have the temp around 37-41 in idle in Windows 10, i have one 92mm fan at 1500rpm and one 120mm. It seems to go warm. Can it have to do with some windows functions? I remember older cpu's did do much cooler.
 
Oldschool296 said:
I remember older cpu's did do much cooler.
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Depends on what "older CPUs" you're talking about.

For example, i7-7700K will run hotter than newer i3-9100. In same sense, i5-10400 will run cooler than newer i5-13600. So, it's not just "old CPU runs cooler", without considering what CPUs you compare.

Oldschool296 said:
Can it have to do with some windows functions?
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Any Windows task/function that puts a load on CPU will heat up the CPU. That's how CPUs work. It comes down to CPU cooling (and PC cooling in general) that determinate what temps your CPU is at.

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I have the temp around 37-41 in idle in Windows 10
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Nothing to worry about. Normal temps. Like i already said.

My CPU, i5-6600K idles around 26-30C. But mine isn't comparable to yours, since i have different CPU and different (better) cooling setup.

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Thanks. I have a midi tower chassi and it may be to small for my expert overclocking board Asrock Z590 Oc formula? But mine is not overclocked. I thougt about Intel Xeon. My Dell T3500 runs at 27 at idle with only 2 120mm industri fans in front of it, But those fans are heavy and takes much air., no cooler on the tower original. I guess my cpu could go down much with artic paste and a noctua cooler. I will later change to i9k so a cooler like that will be needed, The AVX function should make it warmer to what i read.
 
Oldschool296 said:
I have a midi tower chassi and it may be to small for my expert overclocking board Asrock Z590 Oc formula?
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It's not the PC case alone that defines the cooling, instead, it's about the case fans you can install into it. Sure, your midi-tower ATX PC case can't hold as many and as large fans as my full-tower ATX PC case can, but one can still make good by using high performance fans, in proper orientation.

Oldschool296 said:
I guess my cpu could go down much with artic paste and a noctua cooler.
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Regardless how beefy CPU cooler you get, you can not get CPU temps below ambient temps. Meaning that even if you go with big boy CPU cooler (e.g Noctua NH-D15S), at best, you can get ~10C off from idle temps.

Only way to get lower than ambient temps, is when you are using cryogenic fluids, like LN2 or LH3.
 
I tried to disable turbo boost in bios but the temps are the same. Can i earn much by placing the fan so it is over the gpu? Like this. https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocki...rizontal_cooler_vertical_airflow_lower_temps/ I guess these gaming and overclocking boards consumes more heat against computers like Dell workstations? As it takes 5 or more fans installed. Computer that you buy finished (Non gaming ones) Use to have 2 fans and are cooler.
 
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Oldschool296 said:
Can i earn much by placing the fan so it is over the gpu?
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Sure you can. You may get a bit lower temps, but in the end of the day, it doesn't really matter, since your temps are already good.

Oldschool296 said:
I guess these gaming and overclocking boards consumes more heat against computers like Dell workstations? As it takes 5 or more fans installed. Computer that you buy finished (Non gaming ones) Use to have 2 fans and are cooler.
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What makes gaming PC to heat up, is the GPU in it. Workstation builds rarely use dedicated GPU. Though, even when they do, the GPU in them (e.g Quadro/FirePro) are low power consumption ones and doesn't produce much heat.

Here's how my build looks like;
(Skylake build, full specs with more pics in my signature)

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It was a nice build. A bigger chassi then mine. I think about getting a bigger. I take pictures of mine soon. I only have a little and old graphic card inside now. Asus gtx 560 ti 1gb. It goes up to 40 as idle in windows 10 pro as highest. Usually around 35-37. I don't know if my Cooler Master Hyper H410R RGB 92mm can be reversed so the fan is over the gpu, the cooler may be over the memorys to the right. I maybe can place a small fan under instead.
 
Oldschool296 said:
I don't know if my Cooler Master Hyper H410R RGB 92mm can be reversed so the fan is over the gpu
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That depends on the mounting bracket of the CPU cooler and if you can turn it 90 degrees or not. Most CPU coolers can't be rotated 90 degrees, whereby airflow is from bottom (GPU) to top (towards the top exhaust). Usually it is from right (over the RAM slots) to the left (towards the back exhaust).
 
It also seems to be the monitor program Speecy that causes 2-3 extra degress, when it causes the Windows service WMI to run the processor at 10-16% at 4,17ghz. I have tried to reinstall it and i never updated the version but it is the same. I also searched for info on Google about Speecy and WMI but no good information.
 
Oldschool296 said:
It also seems to be the monitor program Speecy that causes 2-3 extra degress
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Speccy has issues. It also fails to detect hardware properly. Instead, for temperature monitoring, use HWinfo64,
link: https://www.hwinfo.com/about-software/

It has many great features, like logging (to record system behavior at specified time), and also sensors only or summary only modes. Sensors only won't display the system info alongside sensor data. Summary only displays system info without sensor data.
 
Yes i noticed in Windows 10 pro my memory model and speed don't come up. Only the size of them. Speecy works fine in my Dell T3500 with Windows 8.1 pro. Tried msdt.exe -id MaintenanceDiagnostic and restarted Windows Management Instrument service then it worked for a minute without high cpu usage by wmi, then it were the same. Tried wmi repair but it found no errors. Tried sfc /SCANNOW and it found errors and repaired. I tried to install different Speecy versions, but it becomes the same. It raises the cpu temp by 6-8 degress. My system restore won't seems to works in Windows 10. I don't see any previous system restores as in Windows 8.1.

I fixed it by rstrui. It may have been some Visual C++. I will install them each. I installed a package with all before. Now the cpu is normal with speecy. And i turned off updates for 7 days. Otherwise it can be some windows update.
 
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The cpu temp now seems to be on 37, it must have been the WMI. I often check cpu activity but i guess it also was that i changed cpu paste. I used the cooler master paste that follows with the cooler. I did it like in videos a click in the middle and the X screwing. I guess it can go down much with a more proffesional cooler like Noctua and Artic paste. The motherboard is on 41 with pretty much heat in the room. I have understand why my Dell T3500 workstation goes much cooler. The cpu is placed along way from the graphic card. Not a picture of mine but similiar.

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I got the cpu temp down to 35-36 with much heat in the room and the motherboard to 41. It must have been the usuage of the WMI. With a Noctua cooler and artic paste i guess it can go down even more. I found some coolers that supports memory 42mm high. I must have one big enough for my G-kill trident royal z. They are placed to the right, 2 memorys.
 
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