Asus GTX 650 Ti OC 2GB GDDR5 - VS - GeForce GTX 745 4GB DDR3

[THRobinson]

I am looking to get a DELL XPS 8700 that has a GeForce GTX 745 4GB DDR3.

I have an Asus GTX 650 Ti OC 2GB GDDR5 in my current PC that should work in the DELL with the stock PSU because I only need 400w, and the DELL has a 460W PSU. Also, the card is under 9" long so not too big.

Trying to find a comparison, but usually finding ones that are close, but not exactly the same... like a 1GB card not 2GB, or not the OC edition etc... also not sure if BOOST is the same as the OC for the 650ti.

Best I could find was here at Game Debate. Seems about right.

Passmark site, I could find a Boost edition, is that the same as OC (overclock)? Mine comes pre-overclocked, hence the OC Edition.

Passmark
GTX 650 Ti BOOST - Passmark G3D 3541 | Rank 62
GeForce GTX 745 - Passmark G3D 2159 | Rank 118

But... no indication of 2GB or 1GB for my card, or how many GB for the other. Which may change the rankings.

So... just wondering... worth putting my card in the DELL, or better to keep the GTX 745?

Maybe next summer I'll upgrade the PSU and video card, but, after buying the PC I won't have the extra cash for upgrades so, want the best card in the machine.

Thanks

 

[HCSn]

Build your own computer. You will get better performance per dollar and it's fun. Also feels like an accomplishment. You can get everything but a graphics card and put your card in it if you want. A 745 still uses DDR3, and just isn't that great all around.

 

[clonazepam]

The GTX 650 Ti BOOST is what you want for gaming.

Think of the GTX 745 as a work GPU with higher ( but slower vram) meant to enable multi-monitor support for a work environment or media creation / consumption type of scenarios.

The 650 has double the cuda cores and 5x the memory bandwidth.

Edit: You mention planning to build a whole new computer later, well you take that first step toward but upgrading to a higher class PSU now. It'd be a good idea.

 

[clonazepam]

God I'm terrible. I just realized I misread and you haven't purchased the Dell yet. If willing, you should build your own.

 

[MarkW]

Before you buy that Dell, make sure it has a standard sized ATX power supply. Otherwise you will not be able to buy a higher capacity power supply for that case. Most computers the major manufacturers sell that need 430 watts or lower come with these tiny SFX or TFX power supplies, which are much smaller than the standard ATX power supplies you see reviews on. SFX and TFX power supplies max out in the 430 watt range. In fact, they are hard to find replacements for because you can only find 400 watt replacements.

Then when you want to upgrade later on, you have to buy a new case, new power supply, and sometimes even a new motherboard, and in some cases, the GPU is actually soldered to the old motherboard, so you also need to buy a new video card too.

After all of that, I highly suggest going to a place where they build computers from standard sized parts, so that you can replace things when you want to. You can get entry level gaming systems from most of those companies. This list would exclude HP and Dell in my opinion.

 

[THRobinson]

I've built my own systems since 1993... first job was actually building computers... been out of it 8yrs now though so a bit rusty/behind on stuff. But gotta say, I see no advantage in it anymore. I haven't expanded my systems, or added anything to them in years. Plus price starts jumping way up way fast I found with doing my own. I can get a Dell XPS 8700 with the 4th gen i7 and 16GB ram on sale for $950 Canadian with a warranty.

I don't run a RAID, I don't need a better sound card, etc... just maybe a year from now I'll get the PSU unit swapped to 650w and a newer video card, which will be a $150 video card... I can't warrant paying $500 for a card given how much I play.

For $950, building my own system... would I really see much better performance? I don't overclock or anything either, and I'd basically be building a Core i7 the same as the DELL.

I am basically using Photoshop/InDesign, surfing, and my video gaming isn't really much... I'll play something like Bioshock for a few weeks, uninstall it, and not play anything for a month or two. Right now playing World of Warcraft.

 

[THRobinson]

Before you buy that Dell, make sure it has a standard sized ATX power supply.

Yup... first thing I checked was the PSU. I have a few DELL's that I've bought (used) over the years for the nieces and nephews, just for school and most had those proprietary PSU's with 250w. My nephew's was a normal size but odd fit, which I ended up cutting a few things off the case and fitting in a 450w I had laying around. Small cuts and popped in no worries.

Saw a few threads about this computer and PSU upgrades and people listed exact makes/models that will fit with proper voltages and such.

The video card in the DELL is also removable, not soldered in, because also saw a lot of threads about swapping cards.

 

[THRobinson]

Dammit now you guys have me second guessing.

Guess go to newegg and tigerdirect and price some stuff.

 

[MarkW]

Then, you already know that Dell and HP, and in fact, most companies that build systems as a business will install the cheapest memory, cheapest power supply and cheapest motherboard they can get away with.

I look at what is in that Dell system, and then I look at this, and to me, its a no brainer...

System Builder Marathon, Q1 2014: The $750 Gaming PC
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-your-own-budget-gaming-pc,3780.html

Granted, that is a year and a half ago, but you know enough about building a computer to end up with a far better system than the Dell for the same money.

You might need to change the GTX 770 to a GTX 970, but the basic system is still far better than the Dell is.

 

[THRobinson]

Well... I gotta assume the i7-4770 is probably better than the i3-4130, plus I'm Canadian which will skew those prices quite a bit.

But will definitely start looking at some options for a self build... just hate researching to see what's better and why. Again, been 8yrs since I've researched this stuff, so now gotta figure out socket types and terminology again. 😀

ASUS Motherboard... only boards I've had no issues with... Intel CPU... everything else no idea. 😀

But, gimme a day, I'll have something to post for public opinion. 😀

 

[THRobinson]

Well... been looking and so far thinking (Canadian Prices)

Asus Z97-P ATX Motherboard - $140
Intel i7-4790 3.6Ghz - $370
G.Skill 12800CL9Q-16GBXL (4x4GB) Memory - $130
Corsair Carbide 300R Case - $95
ASUS DVD Burner DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS - $25
Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB - $60

No idea about a PSU yet... not 100% sure on the ram. Waiting for ASUS to reply back. I checked their vendors list for memory, but almost no 4x4GB kits listed so, not sure if that GSkill is the same as something on the list or not. So asked for timing/voltage recommened. PSU hoping around 600w, but, not sure which will work best with that board. At most... I may one day get an SSD drive for my main and the 1TB as a 2nd drive... I don't need more. I have my current computer being turned into a devoted media player, and it has 6TB of drive space, and I have a 2TB external. So, I don't need a mess of extra plugs.

The Z97-P will also hand 5th Gen i7's in case in a few years I want a small upgrade.

Minus a PSU... I'm looking at $820. Which is $130 less than the DELL on sale. Probably get a decent PSU for what, $70? save $60, which goes towards a new case for the media server.

Thermaltake TR2 TR-600 600W ATX12V v2.3 for $60 maybe?

Maybe starting a new thread makes more sense. 😀

 

[clonazepam]

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html --- list of PSUs by tier