Asus GTX660 TiDirectCU II OC Edition Or XFX Radeon HD 7950 Double D Black Edition

[pats478]

Hey Folks,

I had a post over the weekend looking for an upgrade to my graphics cards. I've been looking over the last week and found the two cards listed above. Still searching for the right card; I'd like to play games such as BF3, Skyrim, GW2, Crysis 2-3, on high if not max.

Which card would be more ideal as they're both priced in similar values?
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Here's my current PC Rig:

Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition AM3 CPU 3.4GHzm 6MB Cache, 2000MHz (40000 MT/s)----> (Upgraded from the Phenom II X2 550 AM3 CPU 3.1GHz recently)

MB: Asus M4A785TD-V EVO (AM3)

RAM: HyperX blu 8GB DDR3-1600MHz CL9 Dual Channel Kit (2 x 4GB)

HD's: HyperX 3K Series SATA III Solid State Drive, 120GB w/ 2.5" Adapter &
Seagate SATA II 500 GB Hard drive @ 7200 RPM

VC: 1GB ASUS EAH6850 DirectCU with DirectX11 1GB at standard clock (790 MHz)

PS: Antec Earthwatts 650 Watts

Chassis: Antec 300 Gaming Tower (2 Factory fans included, I added 3 additional ones)

Monitor: LG W2353V (23 inch) @ 1920 X 1080 (HMDI cable)

OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit
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[Mousemonkey]

I am saying I own an OCed Phenom II x4 and you wrong.

You wrong, me right. Ugg. :lol:

 

[Duke Nucome]

I am saying I own an OCed Phenom II x4 and you wrong.

You wrong, me right. Ugg. :lol:

I have read many of Cleeves posts and he seems to understand what hes talking about. That said Cleeve highly recommends Intel for gaming because Phenom II is a bottleneck and cause undue slow downs.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

One, the latest BIOS is unable to support AM3+, so FX6300 upgrade us imossibke. As for the "bottleneck" look at it this way, an OCd (4.0GHz) 980BE used with a 7870LE yielded ~ 7 FPS less than a Slightly OCd (3.7GHz) 2500K on PlanetSide2 with the same graphics card, seriously it is not worth it and he will still get a massive boost once OCd.

 

[Duke Nucome]

One, the latest BIOS is unable to support AM3+, so FX6300 upgrade us imossibke. As for the "bottleneck" look at it this way, an OCd (4.0GHz) 980BE used with a 7870LE yielded ~ 7 FPS less than a Slightly OCd (3.7GHz) 2500K on PlanetSide2 with the same graphics card, seriously it is not worth it and he will still get a massive boost once OCd.

Cite the links please !

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

I am saying I own an OCed Phenom II x4 and you wrong.

You wrong, me right. Ugg. :lol:

I have read many of Cleeves posts and he seems to understand what hes talking about. That said Cleeve highly recommends Intel for gaming because Phenom II is a bottleneck and cause undue slow downs.

The Phenom II is another way of saying i5 760 with an AMD Badge in terms of performance, there is a reason people are sticking to 1156, because once you OC them. New Graphics Card>3570K+New Mobo
Also: the FX8350 will give the Intel 3570K a run for its money in games that are not poorly threaded, designed by idiots or plainly OLD. In rendering 3930K>FX8350>3770K>3570K>3960X in terms of value for money, because when you get the AMD to 5.1GHz, the 3770K stands absolutely no chance. Intel is not the only gaming choice around.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

One, the latest BIOS is unable to support AM3+, so FX6300 upgrade us imossible. As for the "bottleneck" look at it this way, an OCd (4.0GHz) 980BE used with a 7870LE yielded ~ 7 FPS less than a Slightly OCd (3.7GHz) 2500K on PlanetSide2 with the same graphics card, seriously it is not worth it and he will still get a massive boost once OCd.

Cite the links please !

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M4A785TDV_EVO/#support_CPU

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

One, the latest BIOS is unable to support AM3+, so FX6300 upgrade us imossibke. As for the "bottleneck" look at it this way, an OCd (4.0GHz) 980BE used with a 7870LE yielded ~ 7 FPS less than a Slightly OCd (3.7GHz) 2500K on PlanetSide2 with the same graphics card, seriously it is not worth it and he will still get a massive boost once OCd.

Cite the links please !

Ach, that was benchmarks for the X6 1100T and with a 690 http://i.imgur.com/5aJTp.png.

 

[Duke Nucome]

One, the latest BIOS is unable to support AM3+, so FX6300 upgrade us imossible. As for the "bottleneck" look at it this way, an OCd (4.0GHz) 980BE used with a 7870LE yielded ~ 7 FPS less than a Slightly OCd (3.7GHz) 2500K on PlanetSide2 with the same graphics card, seriously it is not worth it and he will still get a massive boost once OCd.

Cite the links please !

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M4A785TDV_EVO/#support_CPU

That link it to a mobo not the place where you founded your claims that a Phenom II processor is not a bottleneck.
Cite the links to your claim about a Phenom II possessor not bottle necking In PS2.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

One, the latest BIOS is unable to support AM3+, so FX6300 upgrade us imossible. As for the "bottleneck" look at it this way, an OCd (4.0GHz) 980BE used with a 7870LE yielded ~ 7 FPS less than a Slightly OCd (3.7GHz) 2500K on PlanetSide2 with the same graphics card, seriously it is not worth it and he will still get a massive boost once OCd.

Cite the links please !

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M4A785TDV_EVO/#support_CPU

That link it to a mobo not the place where you founded your claims that a Phenom II processor is not a bottleneck.
Cite the links to your claim about a Phenom II possessor not bottle necking In PS2.

Remember that this is @Stock

 

[Duke Nucome]

One, the latest BIOS is unable to support AM3+, so FX6300 upgrade us imossible. As for the "bottleneck" look at it this way, an OCd (4.0GHz) 980BE used with a 7870LE yielded ~ 7 FPS less than a Slightly OCd (3.7GHz) 2500K on PlanetSide2 with the same graphics card, seriously it is not worth it and he will still get a massive boost once OCd.

Cite the links please !

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M4A785TDV_EVO/#support_CPU

That link it to a mobo not the place where you founded your claims that a Phenom II processor is not a bottleneck.
Cite the links to your claim about a Phenom II possessor not bottle necking In PS2.

Remember that this is @Stock

No you did not cite the links to your claims.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

One, the latest BIOS is unable to support AM3+, so FX6300 upgrade us imossible. As for the "bottleneck" look at it this way, an OCd (4.0GHz) 980BE used with a 7870LE yielded ~ 7 FPS less than a Slightly OCd (3.7GHz) 2500K on PlanetSide2 with the same graphics card, seriously it is not worth it and he will still get a massive boost once OCd.

Cite the links please !

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M4A785TDV_EVO/#support_CPU

That link it to a mobo not the place where you founded your claims that a Phenom II processor is not a bottleneck.
Cite the links to your claim about a Phenom II possessor not bottle necking In PS2.

Remember that this is @Stock

No you did not cite the links to your claims.

Honestly I did forget, this was a while back in some benchmarks, but it does not make the 660 a waste, trust me. Your 6300 is a side grade in gaming TBH, it is basically Thuban 1090T(Where I generated the 980BE since barely any games use more than 4 cores) with 3-8 more FPS.

 

[Duke Nucome]

One, the latest BIOS is unable to support AM3+, so FX6300 upgrade us imossible. As for the "bottleneck" look at it this way, an OCd (4.0GHz) 980BE used with a 7870LE yielded ~ 7 FPS less than a Slightly OCd (3.7GHz) 2500K on PlanetSide2 with the same graphics card, seriously it is not worth it and he will still get a massive boost once OCd.

Cite the links please !

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M4A785TDV_EVO/#support_CPU

That link it to a mobo not the place where you founded your claims that a Phenom II processor is not a bottleneck.
Cite the links to your claim about a Phenom II possessor not bottle necking In PS2.

Remember that this is @Stock

No you did not cite the links to your claims.

Honestly I did forget, this was a while back in some benchmarks, but it does not make the 660 a waste, trust me. Your 6300 is a side grade in gaming TBH, it is basically Thuban 1090T(Where I generated the 980BE since barely any games use more than 4 cores) with 3-8 more FPS.

Actually you are the fist one to say that Piledriver is a side grade to Phenom II. Also a 22fps deficit is massive in that link you finial posted and i am afraid an OC will not make up the difference I know because I have tried. PS2 play very choppy when the action heats up on Phenom II it's just the way of the land. ((Edit)) PS2 play choppy when the action heats up on anything less than an OCed Intel CPU. A good place to start is an OCed i5 2500K minimum unless you are ok with choppy performance on an AMD processor.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

One, the latest BIOS is unable to support AM3+, so FX6300 upgrade us imossible. As for the "bottleneck" look at it this way, an OCd (4.0GHz) 980BE used with a 7870LE yielded ~ 7 FPS less than a Slightly OCd (3.7GHz) 2500K on PlanetSide2 with the same graphics card, seriously it is not worth it and he will still get a massive boost once OCd.

Cite the links please !

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M4A785TDV_EVO/#support_CPU

That link it to a mobo not the place where you founded your claims that a Phenom II processor is not a bottleneck.
Cite the links to your claim about a Phenom II possessor not bottle necking In PS2.

Remember that this is @Stock

No you did not cite the links to your claims.

Honestly I did forget, this was a while back in some benchmarks, but it does not make the 660 a waste, trust me. Your 6300 is a side grade in gaming TBH, it is basically Thuban 1090T(Where I generated the 980BE since barely any games use more than 4 cores) with 3-8 more FPS.

Actually you are the fist one to say that Piledriver is a side grade to Phenom II. Also a 22fps deficit is massive in that link you finial posted and i am afraid an OC will not make up the difference I know because I have tried. PS2 play very choppy when the action heats up on Phenom II it's just the way of the land.

Either way, this is with a 690 and that I must admit is a bottleneck for the Phenom II. The 965 should be represented by the i5 760 since it is better CFC than the 1100T and was equal to the 760, with a OC to ~3.9GHz he should be able to narrow the gap ~ 10FPS. My friend runs a QX9650 @ 3.9GHz and a GTX 660 SLI, does that stop him from getting 120+ FPS ? , LOLNO! is it a bottleneck, maybe but who cares?
PS: I am reffering PD 6300 as a side grade to the 970 in gaming, the FX8350 will give the 3570K a run for its money as stated a few posts above.

 

[Duke Nucome]

One, the latest BIOS is unable to support AM3+, so FX6300 upgrade us imossible. As for the "bottleneck" look at it this way, an OCd (4.0GHz) 980BE used with a 7870LE yielded ~ 7 FPS less than a Slightly OCd (3.7GHz) 2500K on PlanetSide2 with the same graphics card, seriously it is not worth it and he will still get a massive boost once OCd.

Cite the links please !

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M4A785TDV_EVO/#support_CPU

That link it to a mobo not the place where you founded your claims that a Phenom II processor is not a bottleneck.
Cite the links to your claim about a Phenom II possessor not bottle necking In PS2.

Remember that this is @Stock

No you did not cite the links to your claims.

Honestly I did forget, this was a while back in some benchmarks, but it does not make the 660 a waste, trust me. Your 6300 is a side grade in gaming TBH, it is basically Thuban 1090T(Where I generated the 980BE since barely any games use more than 4 cores) with 3-8 more FPS.

Actually you are the fist one to say that Piledriver is a side grade to Phenom II. Also a 22fps deficit is massive in that link you finial posted and i am afraid an OC will not make up the difference I know because I have tried. PS2 play very choppy when the action heats up on Phenom II it's just the way of the land.

Either way, this is with a 690 and that I must admit is a bottleneck for the Phenom II. The 965 should be represented by the i5 760 since it is better CFC than the 1100T and was equal to the 760, with a OC to ~3.9GHz he should be able to narrow the gap ~ 10FPS. My friend runs a QX9650 @ 3.9GHz and a GTX 660 SLI, does that stop him from getting 120+ FPS ? , LOLNO! is it a bottleneck, maybe but who cares?
PS: I am reffering PD 6300 as a side grade to the 970 in gaming, the FX8350 will give the 3570K a run for its money as stated a few posts above.

Being that no games use more than 6 cores the FX 6300 OCed is as fast as the 8350 in gaming.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

One, the latest BIOS is unable to support AM3+, so FX6300 upgrade us imossible. As for the "bottleneck" look at it this way, an OCd (4.0GHz) 980BE used with a 7870LE yielded ~ 7 FPS less than a Slightly OCd (3.7GHz) 2500K on PlanetSide2 with the same graphics card, seriously it is not worth it and he will still get a massive boost once OCd.

Cite the links please !

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M4A785TDV_EVO/#support_CPU

That link it to a mobo not the place where you founded your claims that a Phenom II processor is not a bottleneck.
Cite the links to your claim about a Phenom II possessor not bottle necking In PS2.

Remember that this is @Stock

No you did not cite the links to your claims.

Honestly I did forget, this was a while back in some benchmarks, but it does not make the 660 a waste, trust me. Your 6300 is a side grade in gaming TBH, it is basically Thuban 1090T(Where I generated the 980BE since barely any games use more than 4 cores) with 3-8 more FPS.

Actually you are the fist one to say that Piledriver is a side grade to Phenom II. Also a 22fps deficit is massive in that link you finial posted and i am afraid an OC will not make up the difference I know because I have tried. PS2 play very choppy when the action heats up on Phenom II it's just the way of the land.

Either way, this is with a 690 and that I must admit is a bottleneck for the Phenom II. The 965 should be represented by the i5 760 since it is better CFC than the 1100T and was equal to the 760, with a OC to ~3.9GHz he should be able to narrow the gap ~ 10FPS. My friend runs a QX9650 @ 3.9GHz and a GTX 660 SLI, does that stop him from getting 120+ FPS ? , LOLNO! is it a bottleneck, maybe but who cares?
PS: I am reffering PD 6300 as a side grade to the 970 in gaming, the FX8350 will give the 3570K a run for its money as stated a few posts above.

Being that no games use more than 6 cores the FX 6300 OCed is as fast as the 8350 in gaming.

55,0,1065185]One, the latest BIOS is unable to support AM3+, so FX6300 upgrade us imossible. As for the "bottleneck" look at it this way, an OCd (4.0GHz) 980BE used with a 7870LE yielded ~ 7 FPS less than a Slightly OCd (3.7GHz) 2500K on PlanetSide2 with the same graphics card, seriously it is not worth it and he will still get a massive boost once OCd.[/quotemsg]

Cite the links please ![/quotemsg]
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M4A785TDV_EVO/#support_CPU
[/quotemsg]
That link it to a mobo not the place where you founded your claims that a Phenom II processor is not a bottleneck.
Cite the links to your claim about a Phenom II possessor not bottle necking In PS2.[/quotemsg]
Remember that this is @Stock

[/quotemsg]

No you did not cite the links to your claims.[/quotemsg]
Honestly I did forget, this was a while back in some benchmarks, but it does not make the 660 a waste, trust me. Your 6300 is a side grade in gaming TBH, it is basically Thuban 1090T(Where I generated the 980BE since barely any games use more than 4 cores) with 3-8 more FPS.

[/quotemsg]

Actually you are the fist one to say that Piledriver is a side grade to Phenom II. Also a 22fps deficit is massive in that link you finial posted and i am afraid an OC will not make up the difference I know because I have tried. PS2 play very choppy when the action heats up on Phenom II it's just the way of the land.[/quotemsg]
Either way, this is with a 690 and that I must admit is a bottleneck for the Phenom II. The 965 should be represented by the i5 760 since it is better CFC than the 1100T and was equal to the 760, with a OC to ~3.9GHz he should be able to narrow the gap ~ 10FPS. My friend runs a QX9650 @ 3.9GHz and a GTX 660 SLI, does that stop him from getting 120+ FPS ? , LOLNO! is it a bottleneck, maybe but who cares?
PS: I am reffering PD 6300 as a side grade to the 970 in gaming, the FX8350 will give the 3570K a run for its money as stated a few posts above.
[/quotemsg]

Being that no games use more than 6 cores the FX 6300 OCed is as fast as the 8350 in gaming.[/quotemsg]

I would doubt it, anyways, the 660Ti+ an ocd 965BE will be just fine on PS2 as long as he does not get addicted to MSAA.

 

[Duke Nucome]

I would doubt it, anyways, the 660Ti+ an ocd 965BE will be just fine on PS2 as long as he does not get addicted to MSAA.

Man sub 30fps is not good at all.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

I would doubt it, anyways, the 660Ti+ an ocd 965BE will be just fine on PS2 as long as he does not get addicted to MSAA.

Man sub 30fps is not good at all.

Are you kidding me?, a 965 @3.7 with the AA set to 2x or less will be able to get far above 30FPS on high-max mix. I ran a Q9650 and a 570, @ All High 2x AA (not ultra) BF3 and it got great ~50 FPS average. The 965 will wipe the floor on the Q9650.
A FC3 bench: http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll168/maxforces/8320/farcry3_graf.png

 

[Duke Nucome]

I would doubt it, anyways, the 660Ti+ an ocd 965BE will be just fine on PS2 as long as he does not get addicted to MSAA.

Man sub 30fps is not good at all.

Are you kidding me?, a 965 @3.7 with the AA set to 2x or less will be able to get far above 30FPS on high-max mix. I ran a Q9650 and a 570, @ All High 2x AA (not ultra) BF3 and it got great ~50 FPS average. The 965 will wipe the floor on the Q9650.
A FC3 bench: http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll168/maxforces/8320/farcry3_graf.png

x4 965 is slower than x6 1100T and 30fps is sub par for an online multi player shooter.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

I would doubt it, anyways, the 660Ti+ an ocd 965BE will be just fine on PS2 as long as he does not get addicted to MSAA.

Man sub 30fps is not good at all.

Are you kidding me?, a 965 @3.7 with the AA set to 2x or less will be able to get far above 30FPS on high-max mix. I ran a Q9650 and a 570, @ All High 2x AA (not ultra) BF3 and it got great ~50 FPS average. The 965 will wipe the floor on the Q9650.
A FC3 bench: http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll168/maxforces/8320/farcry3_graf.png

x4 965 is slower than x6 1100T and 30fps is sub par for an online multi player shooter.

How many times do I have to repeat this, a 965@3.9GHz=~2500 Stock and a 2500K at stock is more than enough for it , if you think he will max PS2 on the 660/7950 it would be yielding ~20-30FPS on a 3570K rig .

 

[Mousemonkey]

Back on topic you two.

 

[pats478]

Back on topic you two.

Back on topic indeed haha! I do appreciate the wealth of info provided here though. In regards to my GC hunt, what are your thoughts on this:

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3329823&CatId=28


Reason I ask is this card at my local PC store is almost $60 more, so I was thinking of price-matching + 25% of the difference. It definitely is a bit more expensive but at the same time reviews online rate the card pretty highly and I can get it for a much cheaper deal then advertised. Thoughts, comments folks

 

[Duke Nucome]

Back on topic you two.

Back on topic indeed haha! I do appreciate the wealth of info provided here though. In regards to my GC hunt, what are your thoughts on this:

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3329823&CatId=28


Reason I ask is this card at my local PC store is almost $60 more, so I was thinking of price-matching + 25% of the difference. It definitely is a bit more expensive but at the same time reviews online rate the card pretty highly and I can get it for a much cheaper deal then advertised. Thoughts, comments folks

That 670 is way outclassed as you can get a cool 7970 Ghz Edition for 4 bills with Free "Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon, Crysis 3 & Bioshock Infinite" plus free shipping. Plus the extra Vram on the 7970. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125413

 

[festerovic]

If the debate just went to 7970ghz v 670 then read these:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_P...
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/46905-amd-cataly...
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_catalyst_12_11...
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

Edit: NM on the links, they are outdated. It was just benchmarks.

If you like the games, the bundle (with 7970) puts them back at even money, in my book.

 

[Duke Nucome]

If the debate just went to 7970ghz v 670 then read these:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_P...
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/46905-amd-cataly...
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_catalyst_12_11...
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

If you like the games, the bundle (with 7970) puts them back at even money, in my book.

Plus the 7970 is quite a bit faster. Even money ? What do you mean LOL the 7970 Ghz Edition is cheaper than the GTX 680 and faster. In fact the 7970 Ghz Edition is the same price as the GTX 670 which is a slower class card that comes with one game not two.

 

[The Q6660 Inside]

The 7970Ghz and 670 are both good choices, just DO NOT get ripped off by the 680 (Robbery in a nutshell) if you want you green (pun intended) to stay in your pocket. The drivers on the 670 (like almost all nVdia drivers) are honestly better and in some cases get game release day updates (a major +) also Kepler has some exclusive features such as TXAA (although I have not seen a game using it). The 7970 is a 680 competitior with no doubt better overall performance, albeit with less frequent support, although AMD has been on a steamroll (even more puns) with Catalyst recently. If you want performance+value for money with a bit less support, go for the card that brought the GTX 580 to its knees and made it surrender (7970). If you like nVdia's great driver support and perhaps TXAA/Kepler go for the 670 FTW (basically stock 680). If the 670 FTW is really is a subperb deal or if you can find one or if you can, find a 7970 with the great bundle, go get which one fits your needs and game on.