[SOLVED] Asus H410T/CSM

[the lost boy]

Hi Folks.

First and foremost, please forgive any spelling mistakes and any ethical mistakes that I make here on this site. This is my first use of a forum. Asus tech support in the US was a bad experience, and while tech support overseas wasn't too bad, it simply takes too long with the time change and language barrier.

Second, please forgive my ignorance, this is my first thin mini itx build, and I think I have gotten in over my head.

Now, on to the build. I have purchased an ASUS h410t/csm and Intel i5-10400. Can anyone tell me the following with reference to the manual:

1. Page 1-2, Item 4. The board says operational voltage is 12vdc or 19vdc. And I do not see a jumper. Is the input voltage range from 12vdc to 19vdc or is it 19vdc plus/minus something and 12vdc plus/minus something?

2. If input voltage is 19vdc OR 12vdc. What is the maximum and minimum voltage for each input voltage?

3. What is the dimensional spec or name or such for the ATX 19v 2pin connector just behind the DC jack?

4. Page 1-7, Item 1, What is the dimensional specification or name or type name for the DC jack?

5. Page 1-3, Item 10, Backlight Inverter Voltage Selection header. Does this mean the invertor for the backlight is built into the motherboard or does it mean the motherboard will supply 12vdc or 19vdc to an external inverter board? If internal, is it for LED or CCFL? And regardless of internal/external, how much power is available at this header?

6. Page 1-4, item 16, FPD Brightness header. Where do I find a control board with and 8pin connector for this? I only saw 6pin connectors everywhere on the internet. Do these wires go directly to the lcd and merge with the LVDS cable?

7. Page 1-4, Item 17, LPC Debug header. Does this motherboard have the debug cicuitry already built in? Do I simply need a display to see the codes? If yes, where can I find just the display? (Is it worth having?)

8. Page 1-4, Item 18. The LVDS connector. I was able to get the pinout for this connector from Asus overseas. But I am not smart enough to know what can this connector support or its name.

What is the maximum resolution supported?
What is the maximum display size supported?
Which 40pin connector is this? 40pin eDP Touch, 40pin eDP QHD, or 40pin old, 40pin narrow?
Will it handle a touchscreen? ( This is not important, just thought it would be cool.)
Where do I buy a cable for the LVDS?
(I hope to install a 15.6 1080p display.)

9. Page 1-5, Item 25, 10-1 pin System Panel header. What voltage is being sent here to drive the LEDs? 3.3, 5.0, or something else?

10. Page 1-6, Item 26, Panel Voltage Selection header. Is this voltage for LVDS lcd panel connector? Or is this jumper for the motherboard front panel voltage, Item 25?

Thank you in advance to anyone that can help.

Kind regards,
The Lost Boy

 

[Aeacus]

Q&A:

1. Page 1-2, Item 4. The board says operational voltage is 12vdc or 19vdc. And I do not see a jumper. Is the input voltage range from 12vdc to 19vdc or is it 19vdc plus/minus something and 12vdc plus/minus something?

It's either 12V or 19V.
It is not 12V to 19V.

2. If input voltage is 19vdc OR 12vdc. What is the maximum and minimum voltage for each input voltage?

If input is 12V or 19V, at best, you can get away with +/- 10%. But that's pushing it. Better to keep the input DC voltage either at 12V or 19V.

3. What is the dimensional spec or name or such for the ATX 19v 2pin connector just behind the DC jack?

That is 12V EPS connector, at least, half of it (only 2 slots).
Further reading: http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors.html#atx12v4

4. Page 1-7, Item 1, What is the dimensional specification or name or type name for the DC jack?

Name: coaxial power connector.
Further reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaxial_power_connector

Size? I don't know.
Measure the female plug on your MoBo to know the size.

Essentially, for DC jack, this would do,
specs: https://www.onlogic.com/ea11011d-t09-k/

Do note that above one is example and too weak for your use, by being 100W @ 12V. While you need 120W or higher. Since your CPU is 65W and based on what is suggested in your MoBo manual (page 1-7, item 1, 2nd chapter), you need at least 120W power adapter.

A bit of Google-Fu and this power adapter should fit, given the DC plug is in right size for your MoBo,
amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Power-Supply-120W-100V-240Vac-Electrics/dp/B08659BY9R

5. Page 1-3, Item 10, Backlight Inverter Voltage Selection header.

This is above my paygrade.

6. Page 1-4, item 16, FPD Brightness header. Where do I find a control board with and 8pin connector for this? I only saw 6pin connectors everywhere on the internet. Do these wires go directly to the lcd and merge with the LVDS cable?

And this one too.

7. Page 1-4, Item 17, LPC Debug header. Does this motherboard have the debug cicuitry already built in? Do I simply need a display to see the codes? If yes, where can I find just the display? (Is it worth having?)

LPC debug card connects to LPC Debug header. This specific one,
specs: https://www.asus.com/ph/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/Accessories/ASUS-LPC-Debug-Card/

8. Page 1-4, Item 18. The LVDS connector.

I don't know the specs of LVDS connector but any monitor that has LVDS interface should work and LVDS cable should come with monitor.

9. Page 1-5, Item 25, 10-1 pin System Panel header. What voltage is being sent here to drive the LEDs? 3.3, 5.0, or something else?

Front I/O pins are powered by +5V rail. Though, the actual voltage common front panel LEDs use, are from 1.8V to 2.5V or so.

10. Page 1-6, Item 26, Panel Voltage Selection header.

I could be wrong, but it should be for LVDS connector.

 

[the lost boy]

Hello Aeacus:

Thank you for the detailed reply. This build has been a nightmare. (I thought it would be straightforward.)

As for the DC input voltage. I am glad you also agree that it should be 12vdc or 19vdc. Something didnt sound right when tech support said it was a range from 12 vdc to 19vdc. The confusing part to me, is there was/is no jumper to set incoming voltage. This board provides jumpers for other voltages, I was/am expecting one for input voltage. Oh well.

Good to know about the +/- 10%. All of the adapters I am finding for 150 and 180 watt appear to be 19.5vdc. (I figured I would opt for 150 or 180 watts since I hope to run the i5 along with the LVDS display.) Would you agree?

About the coaxial power connector. Thank you for the proper name; always wondered what that form factor was called.

As suggested, I talked to my neighbor, who has a caliper, to measure the coaxial adapter. He said the coaxial connector on the board measured out to be 7.4 or 7.5mm with a post which roughly 5.0mm. A little google magic calls out 7.4mm OD x 5.0mm ID. Does this sound right?

As for the 2pin connector, thank you for the link, I was able to track down the 4.20mm pitch to a molex connector; Mini-Fit Jr. I believe it is also called a 5557 series? Does this also sound correct?

No worries about the Inverter and Brightness header. I will keep digging on google and emailing ASUS overseas.

I will inquire with Asus about where to buy LPC Debug display. Do you have any experience with them? Are they helpful?

As for the LVDS connector. Good to know the cable will be with the monitor. (Any lvds display will work?) That would be awesome. Would you know the max resolution that a single LVDS could support?

And forgive me, I was under the impression there was three or four types of 40pin. (40pin eDP Touch, 40pin eDP QHD+, 40pin old, and 40pin narrow?) Are these actually different or just different names for the same thing?

And again, thank you for your patience and all the detail, I need all the help I can get. haha.

 

[Aeacus]

Thank you for the detailed reply. This build has been a nightmare. (I thought it would be straightforward.)

You're welcome.

Though, ITX build is usually straightforward, IF you pick consumer/gamer MoBo (e.g this one: Amazon). But you've picked business/enterprise MoBo, which has all the strange connections, making it a headache to sort it all out.

is there was/is no jumper to set incoming voltage.

It isn't that much of a jump from 12V to 19V and i guess, Asus didn't saw the need to add that switch/jumper to the MoBo. Now, if the voltage jump would be greater, e.g 120V (USA) to 240V (EU), then yes, switch is needed (like ATX PSUs have them).

All of the adapters I am finding for 150 and 180 watt appear to be 19.5vdc. (I figured I would opt for 150 or 180 watts since I hope to run the i5 along with the LVDS display.) Would you agree?

You can always go with a beefier power adapter, especially when you're concerned that the bare minimum doesn't suffice.

I have ATX build (3 actually) and i'm also using much beefier PSU than it would require. For example, my Skylake build (full specs with pics in my sig), should consume ~400W at full load (when adding up all the components). But i tested it at full load (during benchmark) and my PC pulled ~212W from the wall. Despite that, i have 650W PSU, just to be safe.

He said the coaxial connector on the board measured out to be 7.4 or 7.5mm with a post which roughly 5.0mm. A little google magic calls out 7.4mm OD x 5.0mm ID. Does this sound right?

According to wiki, your MoBo may have EIAJ-05 (also called JSBP 5): For 13.5–18 V. 6.5 mm OD, 4.4 mm ID.
EIAJ connectors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EIAJ_connector

You can always ask Asus what type of connector exactly goes to that MoBo.

As for the 2pin connector, thank you for the link, I was able to track down the 4.20mm pitch to a molex connector; Mini-Fit Jr. I believe it is also called a 5557 series? Does this also sound correct?

That's the one.

I will inquire with Asus about where to buy LPC Debug display. Do you have any experience with them? Are they helpful?

My MoBo, MSI Z170A Gaming M5 (specs), has built-in LED display, the same you can have on LPC debug display and it's quite a handy troubleshooting tool. Since with it, the error code is displayed on the LED display, without me needing to listen MoBo beeps and make sense of, if it was 2 short and one long or 3 short and one long.

As for the LVDS connector. Good to know the cable will be with the monitor. (Any lvds display will work?) That would be awesome. Would you know the max resolution that a single LVDS could support?

Max reso comes down to iGPU (inside your CPU) and how much it can support.

And forgive me, I was under the impression there was three or four types of 40pin. (40pin eDP Touch, 40pin eDP QHD+, 40pin old, and 40pin narrow?) Are these actually different or just different names for the same thing?

I don't know.

I'm oriented towards consumer grade PC hardware and know them well. Your MoBo is business grade and quite a ways different. Despite that, it was fun and interesting for me, to research it and it's components when i typed my previous reply to you. 😄 Did learn something new myself.

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I have a question: Is it too late to scrap the business grade MoBo and go with consumer grade MoBo? It would save a lot of headache and trouble to get it running.

 

[the lost boy]

Please forgive my delay, I have been under my truck.

Yeah, too late to scrap the motherboard. I bought two. And yeah, It has been a pain, huge mistake. I assumed the documentation would be better. And I assumed the iformation would be out there somewhere.

Still working with Asus. They finally sent me the max resolution. I am starting to think they are worried that I am copying the board. They have stopped giving answering my questions and starting asking why I want to know max screen resolution, brightness header pinout, etc. This sucks.

I asked Asus what connector goes into the motherboard dc jack... no one in the US or overseas was able to tell me the part number of the mating connector or the partnumber of the dc jack used on the motherboard so that I could find the connector myself. They have been very secretive about this. Very strange. They will not even tell me the voltage limits. Sooooo frustrating.

I want to find the LPC display you mentioned, it woyld be good to have I think.

I am learnibg a ton too, but at the sacrifice of not being able to finish my computer. Ugh.

I have abandoned the lvds display for now so that I can at least get this thing running.

I ordered a dell laptop power supply today.

Kind regards.

 

[Aeacus]

They have stopped giving answering my questions and starting asking why I want to know max screen resolution, brightness header pinout, etc.

You can come clean by stating that you're consumer (end user) and bought the ITX MoBos for personal use. And due to the low price (i guess), you went with that MoBo, rather than other ITX MoBos. Only after the purchase you learnt that those are business grade MoBos and not consumer grade ones. And it was too late for you to change MoBos to consumer grade.

I see no reason, why you being truthful, would let you hang high and dry, with no support from Asus, with (barely) unusable MoBos.

I asked Asus what connector goes into the motherboard dc jack... no one in the US or overseas was able to tell me the part number of the mating connector or the partnumber of the dc jack used on the motherboard so that I could find the connector myself.

When Asus doesn't help, trial-and-error will give you the answer, but that requires some purchases. Idea is, that you buy several similar size DJ connector jacks and plug them in one-by-one. The one that has the best, snug fit, is the one compatible with it.

With good luck, you may not even need to purchase all those DJ jacks. Just take your MoBo to hardware store and in the store, try out all similar plugs. Might want to even ask store clerk for help.

I want to find the LPC display you mentioned, it woyld be good to have I think.

Checked around a bit and i couldn't find it on sale anywhere, leaving only source to be directly from Asus.

But that can be a problem. Namely, it is possible that Asus doesn't sell their business hardware to consumers. Only businesses/enterprises could be able to buy such hardware from them.

Years ago, i was in a similar situation, where i wanted to buy a specific piece of hardware for my PC, but the only store i found it in, boldly stated that they do not sell their products to end users (consumers), only businesses. So, i came up with a plan. I asked my local PC hardware store to purchase the hardware on my behalf, where i was willing to pay extra for it, by buying it from them afterwards. My local store accepted my offer and they were so nice that they didn't charge me any extra. I was able to buy that piece of hardware at the same price as it was listed on the initial store page. And i got it within a week. 😄

Yeah, too late to scrap the motherboard. I bought two.

No option to return MoBos and get your money back? If so, i can understand why you can't cut your losses and go with consumer grade MoBo.

 

[the lost boy]

Do you think Asus really thinks I am trying to reverse engineer it? Ugh, I will definitely tell them I am a consumer and using it for personal use.

It really feels like they do not want to help. Replies take weeks amd then I have to prompt them for a reply. Its getting old.

Yes, bought it due to price and availability... and for a few other reasons that may seem to be rather odd to most people.

I do hope to also build a mini itx system, but Asus, Gigabyte, and Asrock are not available right now in the 470 chipset... I know this MB is not a 470, but I tabled that requirement for a moment.

 

[the lost boy]

I live in Vegas, hard to find anything or anyone with electronics experience here fir help with this project.

I think I am good with the connector. I will now when the Dell psu arrives. Fingers are crossed.

And ugh, maybe that is why asus is dragging there feet. I didnt realize they dont like to sell business grade parts to end users. ugh.

And ugh again, so much for buy the LPC I guess. Oh well.

And yeah, probably cost me more to return the motherboards and memory at this point so I am going to grind forward.

I so wish I had a computer store here to buy things for me like you mentioned. But again, living in vegas, you cant trust anyone to do or buying anything for you, they end up wanting there cut or make a mistake Soooooo. lol.

Wish me luck.

 

[Aeacus]

Do you think Asus really thinks I am trying to reverse engineer it?

It would be suspicious for everyone if someone is starting to ask minute details about their product and what parts it uses and/or what spec those are. Especially since you don't have any prior history with them.

Replies take weeks

Keep in mind that Asus is global company and they don't have only you to deal with. So, replying once in a week or so, for a such big of a company, is reasonable. Oh, covid might have an impact on the amount of available customer service people as well.

Yes, bought it due to price and availability...

Cheap price + readily available, usually brings a red flag up and makes me ask: Why?
Why is it that no-one wants it (good availability), especially when price is cheap? And now, you know why. 😄

I do hope to also build a mini itx system, but Asus, Gigabyte, and Asrock are not available right now in the 470 chipset... I know this MB is not a 470, but I tabled that requirement for a moment.

Checked and yes, there aren't any H470 chipset mini-ITX MoBos readily available. But there are Z490 chipset mini-ITX MoBos available and cheapest of them would be this AsRock in the Egg,
link: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157920?Item=N82E16813157920

But the cheapest LGA1200 socket mini-ITX MoBo i could find, is this H510 chipset MSI MoBo, also in the Egg,
link: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144400?Item=N82E16813144400

So, there are compatible consumer grade mini-ITX MoBos for your CPU and for your RAM as well. Where when you need 2 MoBos and if you go with the MSI i linked last, your only cost would be 2x $129 (+ shipping if it applies). So, with a $260, you can get rid of the headache of business grade MoBos. 😄 But that's up to you.

But again, living in vegas, you cant trust anyone to do or buying anything for you, they end up wanting there cut or make a mistake Soooooo. lol.

I live in Estonia and all Estonians are very helpful in helping each other out. 😄 Also, we have plenty of PC hardware and other electronic stores, so, choice is plentiful. Then again, Estonia is on the leading edge in the world, when it comes to the IT stuff. So, it's obvious that we have all those stores here.

I don't know much about Las Vegas, only that it was built in the middle of nowhere, next to nothing, in a godforsaken place, and made into world's entertainment capital.

Wish me luck.

You'd need more than luck. 😉😆 But sure, good luck in your efforts.