Asus Put RGB Lighting On Its Entire Lineup Of Z270 Motherboards

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New MoBo lineup and the headline is RGB Lighting ? ... oh my.

Tho I do have to say, the ability to integrate with other devices is kinda nice, the fan control's ability to interact with other devices is of more interest. Would like to know more details for how this works.

Nice to see the continuation of the use of military grade components, but would liek to see this go full spectrum into the gaming oriented boards like MSI. Also nice to see them following MSI with reinforced slots.

The deal w/ Shapeways is also promising but it's value lessened I think without having the feature applied to the board itself as we saw in MSI's Titanium series.

On the "concern" side.... looking at year to year pricing, seeing a 10% increase per generation on the Formula which is a bit high.

Would also like to hear about:

-The adoption of the Realtek S1220A and how it compares with previous audio solutions
-The waterblock in the pic
 

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Is that anything more than marketing fluff though? I remember doing a little bit of digging on an MSI product that made some claim about military class/grade components (GTX 970 Gaming 4G, IIRC), and as far as I can tell the statement is basically meaningless. I mean, it's possible they are using higher quality components, but the statements they make are always too vague to draw any definitive conclusions.
 
They both could have approached this in perhaps a different way but it includes a variety of improvements. Mil Spec means both that they have improved performance and that it has improved resistance to environmental factors. More relevant perhaps is that it is a recognized standard of quality and from a purchasing standpoint allows those who adopt it to buy from a wider source of vendors where they **know** that the product meets their goals even if it's more than they need. After all what giant electronic parts supplier doesn't want a piece of the multi -trillion dollar military market.

So if the question is, does passing **all of the tests** required actually improve the user experience, I would say "no". But if your asking if the ones that do matter have an impact, I would say yes and by buying Mil Spec, they don't have to run around with a list of important criteria that do matter and ask suppliers to "make this special for us".

I'll give you an example of this kind of logistics. I was involved as an expert witness regarding a child being injured on one of those indoor 3 seat merry go rounds. The mother claimed that the unit just started up "all by itself" when she was no where near the wall mounted button that started the ride.

There was a $250 option to get the ride with a handheld remote. It tuned out that every unit shipped with a receiver in the base of the ride which would receive the handheld remote signal. All you got when you added the option at a later date was the "clicker". The part in the base of the unit was more expensive than the "clicker" but for logistics reasons (inventory management, etc), they shipped every unit out with the receiver inside. As a result, since they operated at the same frequencies, the ride could have been started say by a garage door opener clicked by a dude parked right outside the window in the fast food restaurant while getting his sunglasses off the visor. But the relevant issue with regard to our discussion is ... they added a part and "ate the cost", because that cost was less than managing multiple model lines.

But as you brought up the 970, we'll use that as an example:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2014/09/19/nvidia-geforce-gtx-970-review/4

The power delivery is the best of any here; it's a 6+2 design. Further, MSI uses its own improved components for both the GPU and the memory power phases. The components are referred to as Military Class 4 since they meet MIL-STD-810G regulations. Specifically, we find Hi-c CAP and Solid CAP type capacitors and Super Ferrite Chokes, which are designed to provide higher stability, lifespan and efficiency.
Looking at the previous pages

Examining the PCB reveals a 4+2 phase power design – four phases near the rear I/O for the GPU, and two in the bottom right corner for the memory. This is a slight upgrade from the 4+1 stock specification but unlike MSI and ASUS, EVGA does not use any specially crafted components.
We also find a 6-phase power delivery system for the GPU, a 50 percent upgrade from stock specifications. It also uses ASUS's DIGI+ VRM controller for precise, digital voltages, as well as high quality Super Alloy Power components for buzz-free choke operation, longer capacitor lifespan and MOSFETs with a 30 percent higher voltage threshold than standard. Sadly, the memory has not been granted the same treatment. It is fed by a single phase found at the other side of the PCB, and this one does not use any special components.
Now after reading that ... before going to the performance / testing overclocking results page (here factory presets are taken out of the equation) , you have already been handed a "spoiler" in that by reading the above, as well as the differences in VRM / Memory cooling, you know exactly who is gonna finish on top. Asus went "half way" with the 970 and given how well the two cards sold in the marketplace, now they seem intent on going the rest of the way. from what we see here. As usual, the EVGA SC used the standard reference PCB with no improvements, tho they did manage a higher core OC than Asus did, Asus had higher memory performance than EVGA tho.

The environmental factors in this package include a hardened board w/ steel reinforcing to reduce socket pullout as well as additional resistance to heat and humidity, the latter being of significant interest to water coolers. In addition, during hurricane Sandy, a tree came thru my son's window resulting in a rainstorm in his room. His puter was right under the window.

He got it out of there but it got a good bath before he did so and got some plastic over the window. Granted not exactly an every day occurrence but the spilled soda / coffee left on top of the case and the water gun battles is not exactly an isolated thing w/ 3 teenage boys. Nothing is going to stop a direct shot of liquid into a socket but I do like knowing that some level of protection is provided. Living close to the water, you can sometimes go to sleep with a nice dry cool breeze at night and then wake up to a damp / wet surfaces on furniture from morning fog.

But again, I would imagine the economics of the change was of as much significance as the performance and quality improvements ... my thinking is that it may cost more to make Mil Spec compliant components that pass 20 criteria but economies of scale bring the price down. On the other hand, buying components that past say just 10 of those desired criteria, is a smaller market for the suppliers and the logistics / soft costs of that separate production run bring it in close to the same, or perhaps even more expensive, than the Mil Spec stuff.

I also think it's a good move for Asus from a mindshare perspective. After completely dominating the market for years, their market share started slipping with Z87. The company took a turn it seemed with increased focus on margins and less on having the top dog in each price niche. When you compare similar featured boards side by side, looking at features offered and quality of components used, you were paying significantly more for the Asus board, than the competition and the competition of late was edging them quality / performance wise in a few categories. For example, recently we saw with Z170 that almost every Asus board under $150 came with a substandard audio subsystem (ALC 887 / 892) while Giga and MSI were offering ALC 1150 down to and even below $100. With Z87, we had sites like Sins hardware were showing us that Giga was leading in the power delivery on MoBos, MSi was getting kudos for GFX card cooling innovations and winning head to head performance battles. So making this move shows the enthusiast community that Asus is serious about regaining that mindshare of Asus not taking a backseat to anybody with regard to having BAT (best available technology).

 

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"Mil Spec means both that they have improved performance and that it has improved resistance to environmental factors".

Mil spec is a family of standards that relate to all kinds of things. There's no single spec that defines what a "Mil-spec" electronic component is, or what sort of ratings they must have. The closest thing I've come across is a "Military" operating temperature range, but even that I believe is informal/convention, rather than defined in a mil-spec standard.

"Hi-c CAP and Solid CAP type capacitors and Super Ferrite Chokes, which are designed to provide higher stability, lifespan and efficiency"

Hi-c/solid caps are just types of capacitors with certain characteristics (e.g. low ESR), nothing about ratings. Super Ferrite Chokes are just MSI's name for the chokes they use, can mean anything they want it to.

"EVGA does not use any specially crafted components"
"[...]high quality Super Alloy Power component[...] Sadly, the memory has not been granted the same treatment. It is fed by a single phase found at the other side of the PCB, and this one does not use any special components."


Again, Super Alloy Power is just a marketing term Asus came up with. We have no idea what makes the "special"/"specially crafted" components special other than the fact they have 'special' marketing/branding terms associated with them.

To reiterate, I'm not saying they aren't using good components. Maybe the components MSI is using have higher operating temp limits, or higher current ratings, whatever. What I'm saying is that slapping a label saying "Military Class components" on the box doesn't guarantee they're using any better components than the next guy, because "Military Class components" is a meaningless phrase without more information.

Also the MIL-STD-810G standard that MSI references simply defines test practices/procedures to ensure consistent, agreed upon results. But it says nothing about the level to which an item is tested against. So you could have two components, both of which are tested according to MIL-STD-810G, but have totally different temperature ratings. MIL-STD-810G just describes the test practices that were followed to guarantee those ratings.
 

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Well, colored lights are nice, BUT----Why no upgrade to HDMI 2.0b ?? These boards are Z270 for Kaby lake, and Kaby is supposed to be the stepping stone to 4K video. All I see is HDMI 1.4b , which was released 5 years ago ! I think ASUS just rushed these out in time for CES.
 

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these freaking geeks that demand CHEAP chinese LEDS. seriously.

ok, lets just say that your computer looks like a rainbow. what is the point?

what? you call your friends and show them that you are cool for having a rainbow in your computer??????

really???

instead of useless lightning, give us the option to place stat connectors facing forward or upward (i hate having to remove my GPU sometimes when i want to get to these darn sata ports). Give us a better way to secure our M2 nvme ssd, just to name a few.

I just cannot understand the fetish with cheap LED lightning.
 


Of course .... but these specs exist just as ASTM specs exist in the building trades. There's spec for concrete, there's specs for cold weather concrete, these specs for each of the various grades of reinforcing steel. Each *individual item* meets spec or it doesn't.

And w/ ASTM, you may be disappointed in the results. I remember being assigned to update the firm's specs for concrete early in my career and as I tuned the last page for concrete in thee ASTM standards, the next spec in the book after concrete was condoms. As a healthy single man in his 20s, I was curious as I had a stake in the reliability of those products and was disappointed t learn that, at least at that time, if 1 in 17 of the sampled condoms failed, the lot passed.

Specifically tho, MIL-STD-810 ....

emphasizes tailoring an equipment's environmental design and test limits to the conditions that it will experience throughout its service life, and establishing chamber test methods that replicate the effects of environments on the equipment rather than imitating the environments themselves.... Although prepared specifically for military applications, the standard is often used for commercial products as well .... MIL-STD-810 addresses a broad range of environmental conditions that include: low pressure for altitude testing; exposure to high and low temperatures plus temperature shock (both operating and in storage); rain (including wind blown and freezing rain); humidity, fungus, salt fog for rust testing; sand and dust exposure; explosive atmosphere; leakage; acceleration; shock and transport shock; gunfire vibration; and random vibration.
Of course "built to MIL-STD-810G standards" does not mean tested to those standards. But the proof is in the pudding as the saying goes. Starting with Z87, we no longer saw Asus sitting atop the performance charts ... this continued thru Z97 and then Asus rebounded with Z170.

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/msi_z97_gaming_6_review/10

The ranking is based on setting the board which recorded the highest combined fps in the gaming tests at 100% and ranking the others by fps as a % of the fastest one.

MoBo % of Leader

MSI Z97 Gaming 9 - 100.00%
MSI Z97 Gaming 5 - 99.86%
MSI Z97A Gaming 6 - 98.96%
Asus Z97 TUF Sabranco - 96.13%
Gigabyte Z97X Gaming 5 - 95.00%
Gigabyte Z97X SOC Force - 94.95%
Asus Z97 Maximus VII Hero - 93.67%
Asus Z97 Maximus VII Formula - 93.58%
Asus Z97 Maximus VII Gene - 91.69%
Asus Z97-A - 89.57%
MSI Z97 Mpower MAX AC - 88.20%
MSI Z97S Krait SLI - 71.01%

User satisfaction rates have been declining for everyone since that time but Asus has been hit harder than most. I still use Asus boards (Sabertooth / WS) but their gaming boards have not done as well in that department. MSI got hammered this generation with a few new product lines that had issues, but other series stayed strong. For the most part, I think Giga did the best this time tho I still gotta take off points so to speak for Giga's BIOS which I find a bit cumbersome. But as I said, the big hit this time for Asus was the "cheaping" out on componentry, specifically the audio subsystems, we can see that they used the same audio across the product line tho I don't know just what the relative differences are between these new Realtek solutions versus ALC 887 / 892 / 1150.

So I think Asus' commitment to comply with the standard says something about the direction they are going.... but as you said compliance with the standards may mean using MiL Spec tested componentry, materials and design / fabrication methods, it does not require that the assembled product be tested as an assembly. That gives manufacturer's some leeway in how "compliant it is" you could use a Mil Spec compliant (and tested) PCB material, fabrication methods,procedure for setting circuit traces, coatings etc, but if you punch holes in the MoBo for mounting screws, will it still pass the humidity test ? So yes, they can screw with us, but it will be a bit risky if someone decides to undertake the testing.
 


This is IGP connection ... is anyone really gonna try and run 4k off IGP ?

 

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I see you do not understand the point of the RGB LEDs so I will go back to my original explanation when ever someone do not understand it.

Yes the RGB LEDs are there, do you have to use them? No. You can turn them off, there is no need to put on a light show like a RICE car equipped with standard fart muffler, spinning rims and sound activated LED under the car. The purpose of the LEDs is to uniform your rigs colour. Think about, remember when you brought a motherboard and the PCB was blue, the PCI slots were possibly white, black or blue then you purchase a GPU. The GPU PCB was probably green with a loud colour fan shroud that made no sense. No fast forward where PCB are black on motherboards and GPUs but the heatsinks and fan shrouds are still random colours most notable black motherboard with red heatsinks (lets blame ROG for polluting everything black and red), there is black and blue, and that's about it. Gone are the orange highlights, the green that was made famous of the G1 Sniper motherboards, the silver, the gold from ASrock, even the copper colour is gone from heatsinks.

Now enter the RGB, a system where you can at least make the inside of your rig all one colour or at least take the attention away from the fact there is already a rainbow of colours inside the case because the heatsinks on the motherboard does not match the fan shroud on the GPU, I wont even mention the case fans cause chances are they are not a solid colour.

I go for the RGB to make everything 1 colour or close to it. My rig is a NZXT H440 special black/blue edition, Gigabite Z77 UD5H a MSI GPU and Kingston hyper something RAM. Now all f these are black and blue BUT they all have a different shade of blue that was not noticeable in product images until all components are assembled then we notice, this is soft blue, or intel blue, or normal blue, or dark blue. Simple fix, put in a RGB strip set it to a colour that make everything 1 colour.

To anyone who do not want something they own to be uniform in colour then I welcome them to own a car where all the doors have different colours along with the hood and trunk and while they are at it lets just put on some bumpers that are painted in primer.
 

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Please point me to the standard which clearly defines what a "mil-spec" electronic component is, specifically what sort of operating parameters and ratings such a component is required to meet.

You might want to read the rest of the Wikipedia article you copy and pasted from:

The document does not impose design or test specifications. Rather, it describes the environmental tailoring process that results in realistic material designs and test methods based on material system performance requirements.
Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIL-STD-810#Applicability_to_.22ruggedized.22_consumer_products
 

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I'm right there with you. It's cool if you're 10 years old. Maybe if you're new to computers even...I won't even buy a board with LEDs. I want my machines to be unnoticeable. The fact that these have LED makes pushes me away from a sale, I used to like Asus too... my 3 monitors are Asus and I have a mini ITX board but if this is the kind of crap that Asus is going to pump out then I'll spend my money somewhere else if I can find a manufacturer that hasn't gone LED stupid.
 

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I'm right there with you. It's cool if you're 10 years old. Maybe if you're new to computers even...I won't even buy a board with LEDs. I want my machines to be unnoticeable. The fact that these have LED makes pushes me away from a sale, I used to like Asus too... my 3 monitors are Asus and I have a mini ITX board but if this is the kind of crap that Asus is going to pump out then I'll spend my money somewhere else if I can find a manufacturer that hasn't gone LED stupid.
 

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You have the option to turn the LEDs off if you don't want to use them or have you not realized this? The LEDs are not like case fan LEDs where they are constantly on and cannot be turned off.

Are the public who are against the RGB LEDs just not knowledgeable enough to know they have the option to turn them off by changing the colour to 0,0,0? And by not knowing this they blindly spread misinformation around and everyone just feed on this misinformation.......SMH
 

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I don't even want to go out of my way to disable a feature I didn't want but paid for. That's one of the big points.
 
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