News Asus shares official die shots of the Core Ultra 9 285K — In-depth annotations break down Intel's disaggregated approach

[Admin]

Die shots of the Core Ultra 9 285K from Asus elaborate Intel's design choices and the tile layout for Arrow Lake.

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[usertests]

Gorgeous shot, interesting reuse of Meteor Lake. I assume the NPU is copy-pasted from Meteor Lake (with higher clock speed) even if the tile it's on isn't.

Arrow Lake is now Meatier Lake.

 

[User of Computers]

Gorgeous shot, interesting reuse of Meteor Lake. I assume the NPU is copy-pasted from Meteor Lake (with higher clock speed) even if the tile it's on isn't.

Arrow Lake is now Meatier Lake.

it's rumored that this SoC tile is re-used from the cancelled Meteor Lake-S design. In fact, all tiles except for the compute tiles are allegedly reused from Meteor Lake-S.

 

[Mama Changa]

it's rumored that this SoC tile is re-used from the cancelled Meteor Lake-S design. In fact, all tiles except for the compute tiles are allegedly reused from Meteor Lake-S.

So? If they had nothing to change, why change it? Compute tile is what's most important, not crappy iGPU or NPU. Panther Lake will fix that aspect if it comes to desktop, which is now rumoured as Arrow Lake refresh is cancelled. Otherwise, I guess we wait for Nova Lake.

Any way details are alwasy interesting but I'm waiting for the real benchmarks about performance and efficiency. All leaks are promising on the latter with 285 non K at 65W beating 14900K at 125W.

 

[usertests]

So? If they had nothing to change, why change it? Compute tile is what's most important, not crappy iGPU or NPU. Panther Lake will fix that aspect if it comes to desktop, which is now rumoured as Arrow Lake refresh is cancelled. Otherwise, I guess we wait for Nova Lake.

Any way details are alwasy interesting but I'm waiting for the real benchmarks about performance and efficiency. All leaks are promising on the latter with 285 non K at 65W beating 14900K at 125W.

I'm not complaining. There is already disappointment about Arrow Lake not dominating vs. 7800X3D/9950X, but the strengths of tiles/chiplets are starting to show.

And I actually like that the "crappy iGPU" is going to be maybe up to twice as fast as the one in Alder/Raptor Lake and Zen 4/5. There will be some nice office PCs on the market with this in it.

 

[bit_user]

So? If they had nothing to change, why change it?

Meteor Lake performed poorly, which is partly blamed on its new interconnect topology. Intel ditched it in Lunar Lake and went another direction.

It's also believed to be one of the reasons Arrow Lake is delivering such uneven improvements over Raptor Lake.

 

[bit_user]

And I actually like that the "crappy iGPU" is going to be maybe up to twice as fast as the one in Alder/Raptor Lake and Zen 4/5. There will be some nice office PCs on the market with this in it.

Since Sandybridge, Intel's iGPUs were always good enough for office PCs. I used an i7-2600K for about a decade, with only integrated graphics. Even at 1440p, it was completely fine.

 

[jp7189]

Assuming the core to core latency isn't too bad, I really like the idea of spreading out the hottest spots. That should solve a lot of the thermal throttling situations. Although it also would seem to indicate all P core to core may be going through the soc chiplet which could really tank some workloads.

 

[bit_user]

WCCFTech included one that did a size matchup vs. Apple's A17 Pro:

Source: https://wccftech.com/intel-core-ult...ots-3nm-arrow-lake-compared-10nm-raptor-lake/
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However, I think that might be made on TSMC N3E, which makes the comparison off by a few %.

 

[bit_user]

Assuming the core to core latency isn't too bad, I really like the idea of spreading out the hottest spots.

I wonder which are the hot spots, though. In Alder/Raptor Lake, the E-cores had higher thermal density.

I agree that it will be interesting to see core-to-core latency plots, as well as more detailed information about the topology. I wonder if the E-core clusters now have their own L3 slices.

 

[usertests]

Since Sandybridge, Intel's iGPUs were always good enough for office PCs. I used an i7-2600K for about a decade, with only integrated graphics. Even at 1440p, it was completely fine.

True, but when they double the iGPU's gaming performance, it might be enough to take Skyrim 720p to 1080p for example, and improve other games and emulators that are on the brink of being playable. It's nice to have. Ryzen 7000/9000 desktop CPUs have a slower iGPU than this one.

Arrow Lake will go into millions of Dell/Lenovo/HP office PCs, and I'll pick it up when they are being "thrown away". Although now we have MLID claiming a new round of instability issues. We should find out if he's crying wolf tomorrow when the review embargo ends.

 

[bit_user]

We should find out if he's crying wolf tomorrow when the review embargo ends.

I'm still waiting for this. I guess maybe it ends at 9 AM Pacific Time?

 

[TheHerald]

I'm still waiting for this. I guess maybe it ends at 9 AM Pacific Time?

Ends in 30 minutes AFAIK

 

[usertests]

I'm still waiting for this. I guess maybe it ends at 9 AM Pacific Time?

https://videocardz.com/188838/intel-core-ultra-9-285k-ultra-7-265k-and-ultra-5-245k-review-roundup
8 AM Pacific, 11 AM Eastern

Ends in 30 minutes AFAIK

1 hour and 15 minutes according to VideoCardz.

 

[bit_user]

Ends in 30 minutes AFAIK

Judging by the timestamp of your post, you were off by 1 hour. As @usertests said, it did indeed seem to end at 8 AM, Pacific.