[SOLVED] Asus TUF Gaming x570-plus is enough for 6 or 8x SATA + 2x Nvme PCIe 4.0 + 3.0 in same time?

[Marinelo]

Does MB Asus TUF Gaming x570-plus supports all disks in my list without any speed drop on drives?
Also, will all other components on the list fit in that configuration and that MB? Or something needs to be changed?

My configuration:
CASE: Fractal Design - Define R5, Corsair TX650
CPU: AMD RYZEN 9 5900x
RAM: Crucial Ballistix 32GB Kit (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3600 Desktop Gaming Memory (Red) ‎BL2K16G36C16U4R
STORAGE: 8x (6xSATA + 2x NVME = M.2 1xPCIe 4.0 + M2 1xPCIe 3.0)
HDD & SSD: 6x (4X 3,5 HDD SATA SEAGATE 6TB,5TB,10TB,12TB, 1x 2,5 HDD SATA Seagate 1tb, 1x 2,5 SSD SATA CRUCIUAL BX550 1TB )

M.2 NVME - 2x (PCIe 4.0 + PCIe 3.0)
1) Samsung PM9A1 SSD PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 - 256GB (BULK) -BOOT DRIVE (6400 MBps / 2700 MBps ,PCI-Express 4.0 x4 NVMe 1.3 (Non-Volatile Memory Express), 256-bit AES kryptering, TCG Opal Encryption - Samsung Elpis Controller)

2) WD Blue™ SN550 1 TB SSD M.2 via PCIe - PCIe Gen3, 8 Gbit/s, bis zu 4 Lanes

I want Samsung to be boot drive: Samsung PM9A1 SSD PCIe 4.0

Graphics : ATI OLD TYPE: RADEON HD 4670 & RADEON HD 5450
That works on my old system with 3x output at the same time: 2x monitor & 1x tv

I am finally at the end of the assembly of the new PC configuration. Some components I am using from older configurations and others I had bought based on reviews and price range.

I would be more than thankful if you could provide any advice if the MB Asus TUF Gaming x570-plus would fit my needs.
In case it wouldn't, could you advise me with a better MB that will suit my needs in a price range of 200Eur.

I need 6 SATA slots and 2 PCIe m.2 NVME without any loss on performance, as much as SATA slots cancelation due to lack of available PCI lines.
In a scenario that I would need to attach 2 more SATA HDDs, would everything be ok (as stated in specifications MB supports 8x SATA)?
The PC will be used to process enormous data and because of its manner, it will be working 24/7 with all 12/24 CPU/threads at the maximum. An example of a task that will pc do is to transcode audio and video files for at least 3 months without any interruption. I'm not going to overclock anything and definitely, I won't use this pc for playing games.

 

[drea.drechsler]

With a 5900X CPU that motherboard has 2 M.2 NVME's with PCIe gen 4 support, 1 fed directly by the CPU and 1 fed directly by the chipset. I'd put the Samsung NVME you want for your system drive in the top M.2, the one connected to the CPU.

There are also 8 SATA 6 Gb/s ports for SATA HDD's and SSD's. There are no notes or asterisks indicating lane stealing from PCIe slots or M.2 sockets if any of them are populated, and with an X570 chipset I wouldn't expect any.

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[Marinelo]

Thank you for your fast response. I'm probably way less experienced in that field than you, so don't mind me if I'm not using correct technical words or phrases.

Would you be so kind as to give me your opinion on these questions:

1) Regarding the mentioned configuration, does it mean that not a single B550 MB model wouldn't support it?

2) Can I use the remaining empty PCIe slots without fear of transfer speed drop or outage of 8x SATA HDDs? For example, if I add another M.2 PCI 3.0 NVME controller, will it works with 8x SATA HDDs, or is this too much for the MB bus?

3) As stability is the most valuable factor in this price range, do you have a recommendation for some "better" MB?

 

[drea.drechsler]

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1) Regarding the mentioned configuration, does it mean that not a single B550 MB model wouldn't support it?

2) Can I use the remaining empty PCIe slots without fear of transfer speed drop or outage of 8x SATA HDDs? For example, if I add another M.2 PCI 3.0 NVME controller, will it works with 8x SATA HDDs, or is this too much for the MB bus?

3) As stability is the most valuable factor in this price range, do you have a recommendation for some "better" MB?

1) With 6 SATA drives I don't think so but then I hardly know all the boards out there. Almost all the B550 boards I've seen with 6 SATA ports will start stealing lanes from PCIe slots at the 5th port used. As will a 2nd NVME.

2) With the X570 Tuf I THINK you can because there are no asterisks or notes on that spec's list that it will start stealing lanes when you do.

But the 2nd PCie x 16 slot is limited to 4 gen 4 lanes wired. That means I THINK you can add one PCIe x16 gen 4 NVME interface card that would be limited to 1 NVME using 4 lanes. Or possibly 2 NVME's each using 2 gen 4 lanes; 2 gen 4 lanes has equivalent bandwidth to 4 gen 3 lanes. But that all depends on how the PCIe NVME interface card works I suppose.

There are about 3 PCIe gen 4x1 slots which would be good for more SATA drives with an appropriate add-in card. I know of no PCIe x1 add-in cards for NVME's. And it makes sense, I suppose.

3) In so far as stability, I think Asus is a good brand with a stable product. This is about as good as you'll find.

As a side note: it appears your needs are more low-end server or almost certainly HEDT. Threadripper systems are what AMD sells to service that market. They have a lot more PCIe lanes and much, much greater expansion capabilities for supporting a lot more drives than even X570.

 

[Marinelo]

Wow, you are incredible!!!! 💪👍 Fast and precise to the point. I have one more thing if you could clarify it to me.

As stated: Ryzen 5000 CPUs will have a total of 24 PCIe Gen4 lanes. Four out of the twenty-four are used for the interconnect to the motherboard chipset, leaving 20 lanes Gen 4.0 for other utilization.

How much lanes did I use regarding this configuration:
a) 8x sata
b) 1x Nvme PCIe 4.0
c) 1x Nvme PCie
d) internal & external ports
1x USB-C 3.1 (10Gb/s, X570), 2x USB-A 3.1 (10Gb/s, X570), 4x USB-A 3.0 (5Gb/s), 1x Gb LAN (Realtek L8200A)
external: 1x USB 3.0 Header (5Gb/s, 2x USB 3.0), 2x USB 2.0 header (480Mb/s, 4x USB 2.0)
e) RADEON HD 4670 & RADEON HD 5450
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Is the VRM enough for this configuration in terms of 24/7 data processing?

As stated: VRM 6 real phases (4+2), 14 virtual phases (12+2) PWM-Controller: ASP1106 (RT3667BE, max. 6 phases)

MOSFETs CPU - 12x 50A SiC639
MOSFETs SoC - 2x 50A SiC639
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What you think about MSI x570 tomahawk vs ASUS TUF gaming x570-Plus in my case?
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I can't thank you enough. You nailed it!👍

 

[drea.drechsler]

Wow, you are incredible!!!! 💪👍 Fast and precise to the point. I have one more thing if you could clarify it to me.

As stated: Ryzen 5000 CPUs will have a total of 24 PCIe Gen4 lanes. Four out of the twenty-four are used for the interconnect to the motherboard chipset, leaving 20 lanes Gen 4.0 for other utilization.

How much lanes did I use regarding this configuration:
a) 8x sata
b) 1x Nvme PCIe 4.0
c) 1x Nvme PCie
d) internal & external ports
1x USB-C 3.1 (10Gb/s, X570), 2x USB-A 3.1 (10Gb/s, X570), 4x USB-A 3.0 (5Gb/s), 1x Gb LAN (Realtek L8200A)
external: 1x USB 3.0 Header (5Gb/s, 2x USB 3.0), 2x USB 2.0 header (480Mb/s, 4x USB 2.0)
e) RADEON HD 4670 & RADEON HD 5450
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Is the VRM enough for this configuration in terms of 24/7 data processing?

As stated: VRM 6 real phases (4+2), 14 virtual phases (12+2) PWM-Controller: ASP1106 (RT3667BE, max. 6 phases)

MOSFETs CPU - 12x 50A SiC639
MOSFETs SoC - 2x 50A SiC639
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What you think about MSI x570 tomahawk vs ASUS TUF gaming x570-Plus in my case?
----------------------------------------------------------

I can't thank you enough. You nailed it!👍

The only CPU lanes you can have any influence over using are the GPU lanes (16) and the 1st NVME (4). The remaining 4 lanes are used for communicating with the chipset itself.

But you also have the PCIe lanes provisioned by the chipset, up to 16 lanes. They are used to provision the other PCIe slots, 2nd M.2 socket and SATA ports. Of those, 4 go to the 2nd NVME, 4 to the PCIe x16/4, 3 to the 3 PCIe x 1 and the rest to the SATA ports. But there can be other things needing PCIe: a built-in WiFi, HiDef audio codec, additional USB 3.0/3.1/3.2 ports perhaps, so whatever SATA needs it has to leave enough for those if it has them.

You might be interested in this article:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-x570-x470-chipset-pcie-4.0,39651.html

The motherboard CPU VRM only needs to furnish power to the CPU and that board is more than capable of handling a 5900X, even if overclocked as pointless though it may be. All devices you attach to the PCIe bus (with the exception of those attached to M.2 sockets located on the motherboard) have their own VRM's and get +12V directly from the PSU on appropriate cables.

 

[Marinelo]

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