ASUS Z170 Sabertooth Mk1+ 6700K... What type of SSD ?

[justgjt]

Hey Everyone

I am in the process of building a trading computer on a ASUS Z170 Sabertooth Mk1 with a 6700K CPU and would like to know what is the fastest SSD for this type of motherboard + CPU configuration. I am challenged by the SATA v Pcie v M.2 v Nvme protocol. What is the fastest type that this motherboard + CPU can use without wasting money by having either the motherboard or CPU causing the bottle neck?

Thanks for the help : )

 

[ajpaolello]

m.2 with nvme (Samsung 950 Pro for example) is the fastest you can get or a PCIe with nvme. CPU and mobo won't bottleneck because nvme works with Skylake. SATA solutions are typically cheaper, see the Samsung 850 EVO, but are nto as fast. Whether the difference will be noticeable to you would depend on the type of work you plan on doing

 

[justgjt]

m.2 with nvme (Samsung 950 Pro for example) is the fastest you can get or a PCIe with nvme. CPU and mobo won't bottleneck because nvme works with Skylake. SATA solutions are typically cheaper, see the Samsung 850 EVO, but are nto as fast. Whether the difference will be noticeable to you would depend on the type of work you plan on doing

Thanks for the reply. So its the SSD that has nvme and not the motherboard ?

 

[justgjt]

Ok. I have now purchased the following;

a. ASUS Z170 Sabertooth Mk 1
b. 6700K CPU
c. Samsung 950 Pro 512gb

Now on to memory....

ASUS recommend 2133 or 2400 RAM but there has been a lot of discussion on higher frequency RAM. I do intend to OC the CPU and enable the XMP function for the memory.

I am looking at G Skill V or Trident and will be using this PC for many years to come with out upgrading.

My question is at what point / level of frequency above 2400 will I be wasting my money or encountering reliability problems ?

Thanks for any advice.

 

[ajpaolello]

It partially depends on what you plan on doing with your computer. 2400 is pretty quick and you shouldn't run into any issues. Corsair has some LPX 16gb DDR4-3000 RAM for about $60

 

[justgjt]

It will primarily be used as a fast trading computer running script / E.A programs and it will be over clocked to around 4.5 to 4.7, Gaming would be a secondary consideration.

So, I assume two sticks of matched 8gb would be ample...

 

[ASUSCustomerLoyalty]

It will primarily be used as a fast trading computer running script / E.A programs and it will be over clocked to around 4.5 to 4.7, Gaming would be a secondary consideration.

So, I assume two sticks of matched 8gb would be ample...

Great choice on the Samsung 950 Pro 512gb NVMe drive.

If you'd like to verify that your memory is approved by ASUS, please visit ASUS QVL website for compatible memory: http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA1151/SABERTOOTH_Z170_MARK1/SABERTOOTH_Z170_MARK_1_DRAM_QVL_20160113.pdf?_ga=1.98255895.904184548.1458578930

16 GB of high speed DDR4 memory is a good match with how you will be utilizing your (PC script / E.A programs). When choosing memory outside of QVL make sure to contact the memory manufacturer and make sure the DIMMs are compatible with your motherboard.

 

[justgjt]

It will primarily be used as a fast trading computer running script / E.A programs and it will be over clocked to around 4.5 to 4.7, Gaming would be a secondary consideration.

So, I assume two sticks of matched 8gb would be ample...

Great choice on the Samsung 950 Pro 512gb NVMe drive.

If you'd like to verify that your memory is approved by ASUS, please visit ASUS QVL website for compatible memory: http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA1151/SABERTOOTH_Z170_MARK1/SABERTOOTH_Z170_MARK_1_DRAM_QVL_20160113.pdf?_ga=1.98255895.904184548.1458578930

16 GB of high speed DDR4 memory is a good match with how you will be utilizing your (PC script / E.A programs). When choosing memory outside of QVL make sure to contact the memory manufacturer and make sure the DIMMs are compatible with your motherboard.

Thanks for the reply. Can you explain why ASUS only recommend 2133 / 2400 and not any higher for the Z170 S Mk1 ?
The QVL you referenced indicates 32gb @ 4x8 sticks. What is the reason 32gb @ 2x16 sticks is not on the list.... ?

 

[Anurag20]

Ok. I have now purchased the following;

a. ASUS Z170 Sabertooth Mk 1
b. 6700K CPU
c. Samsung 950 Pro 512gb

Now on to memory....

ASUS recommend 2133 or 2400 RAM but there has been a lot of discussion on higher frequency RAM. I do intend to OC the CPU and enable the XMP function for the memory.

I am looking at G Skill V or Trident and will be using this PC for many years to come with out upgrading.

My question is at what point / level of frequency above 2400 will I be wasting my money or encountering reliability problems ?

Thanks for any advice.

Hey dude..

Definitely faster DDR4 ram is highly recommended for ppl looking for a long-term pc.. This is b'cos even tho, there is little difference in Avg FPS in games between say DDR4-2133 and DDR4-3200, but there is a lot of difference in Minimum FPS.. The minimum FPS is the lowest FPS recorded in a game, which will keep dropping in 2-3 yrs as more & more demanding games & applns keep launching..

See this DDR3 Gaming FPS review..

http://www.overclock.net/t/1487162/an-independent-study-does-the-speed-of-ram-directly-affect-fps-during-high-cpu-overhead-scenarios

So Ideally one should look at the lowest CAS and highest MHz RAM.. For example a RAM KIT with 3200 MHz speed but with a reaction time of 19 cas will be worse than 2133 speed and 12 cas,, Currently Gskill my favourite too, with its Ripjaws V and TridentZ 3200 MHz and cas 15 will be ideal..

But to be fair, for current usage. there isn't a lot of difference..

 

[justgjt]

I know very little about whats required to lace a good machine together, so I rely a lot on being educated by people who do.

Ok, the latest in this freaking saga..... Went into local computer shop and the guru guy behind the counter said OCing a 6700k will drastically shorten its expected life span. If you OC a cpu you will need to OC your memory as well as they go hand in hand. I said I was intending on water cooling the cpu. He asked what it was going to be used for and I mentioned a trading PC and he said you should opt for 100% reliability for many years as opposed to a faster machine that will start having issues 12 months later......

My understanding is if you kept the OC to a reasonable level (4.5-4.7) and cool (75deg C or less) and should be good for say 5 years. I also though that you can configure it to only go to the OC limit when required (i.e, only doing what is required when required) so that should also give longevity also.

I see his point as I don't want to have a machine that is required to be rebooted in the middle of a crucial trading moment or a machine that does it of its own accord either.

Now my question is do I really need to OC the 6700k or leave it standard. Whats the point of having something that can be fast and only using a little bit of it. If I do OC it will I need to OC the memory and in that case what frequency memory is required, 2400 and OC it or 3000 and leave it as it is. Where does XMP come into all of this... whats its purpose ?

As I said I am learning after each reply.

Thanks for any input

 

[Anurag20]

I know very little about whats required to lace a good machine together, so I rely a lot on being educated by people who do.

Ok, the latest in this freaking saga..... Went into local computer shop and the guru guy behind the counter said OCing a 6700k will drastically shorten its expected life span. If you OC a cpu you will need to OC your memory as well as they go hand in hand. I said I was intending on water cooling the cpu. He asked what it was going to be used for and I mentioned a trading PC and he said you should opt for 100% reliability for many years as opposed to a faster machine that will start having issues 12 months later......

My understanding is if you kept the OC to a reasonable level (4.5-4.7) and cool (75deg C or less) and should be good for say 5 years. I also though that you can configure it to only go to the OC limit when required (i.e, only doing what is required when required) so that should also give longevity also.

I see his point as I don't want to have a machine that is required to be rebooted in the middle of a crucial trading moment or a machine that does it of its own accord either.

Now my question is do I really need to OC the 6700k or leave it standard. Whats the point of having something that can be fast and only using a little bit of it. If I do OC it will I need to OC the memory and in that case what frequency memory is required, 2400 and OC it or 3000 and leave it as it is. Where does XMP come into all of this... whats its purpose ?

As I said I am learning after each reply.

Thanks for any input

Hey buddy,

For mission-critical professional PCs, the intel Xeon is a much better option than the consumer 6700K.. The xeons are typically built for Enterprise/Professional 24X7 work-loads.. Many PCs based on Xeon platform are rarely switched-off at all, if ever..

For a mission-critical trading pc, I'd recommend:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/GRYrHN
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/GRYrHN/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1280 V5 3.7GHz Quad-Core OEM/Tray Processor
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BK 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI C236A WORKSTATION ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($152.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill TridentZ Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($204.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($87.69 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Constellation ES.3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 4GB FTW ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks ECLIPSE P400S ATX Mid Tower Case ($72.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($86.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $910.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-08 16:47 EDT-0400

PS. the xeon 1280 vs 6700K comparison..

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