athlon xp 3000 vs. athlon xp 2800

[johnnyboy]

Here's what pricewatch offers:

Athlon XP 3000 400......$158
Athlon XP 2800..........$109

I'm looking to upgrade my computer so at least I can say it's sitting somewhere close to top-of-the-line. What's the difference between the two above? Is it worth the extra $50 to go for the 3000?

thanks to anybody who gives advice (to everyone else...i simply shake my head)

-j

 

[DrAmar]

Ok, just so you don't shake your head at me

I personally think it is not worth it, especially since you can buy an athlon 2500XP+ for 80$ and easily overclock it to the 3200 XP speeds. (Read the oc cpu forum if you are not sure how to do this, the way they explain it is relatively simple + there seem to be only success stories with overclocking that chip)

Ps. If anything seems to be worth extra 50$ i thing it would be the AMD 64 3000 which can now be had for about 200$

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Homer, you are on the flight to a remote island where you will be doing some missionary work.
SAVE ME JEBUS!!!!!!

 

[johnnyboy]

thanks much

 

[endyen]

The mobile xp2500+ is also a great buy. They seem to run faster than the standard xp2500+ and still have thier multipliers unlocked. And yes they do fit on desktop mobos. They also run very cool at stock, for that multimedia system.

 

[DrAmar]

Yup, endyen is right,
only I don't have personal experience with mobile chips in desktop so I can't vouch for that.
(People who did it seem very happy though)


I don't even believe in JEBUS!
Homer, you are on the flight to a remote island where you will be doing some missionary work.
SAVE ME JEBUS!!!!!!

 

[Snaggle]

actually,the 400fsb xp3000 is about as good as ahyperthreading 800 fsb 2.8ghz p4c;but the cheap $99 moblile xp 2500 can be overclocked 200 mhz above the xp3200 and even overclocked runs cooler than the 3200-and that with a fsb of 400 or more;but the lowly amd64 3000 which can be run on cheap ram is still better and only around $100(this includes a good hsf for the mobile xp and the retail junk one for the aamd64).

 

[pauldh]

First of all, by upgrade, do you mean pop a new chip on your current board? or are you going to buy a CPU, motherboard, Ram, etc.? If you are keeping your current mobo, make sure it supports 400 bus or 333 bus chips.

Personally in the past i have never seen the need to buy XP's over the 2500+ because the cost was just too much higher and about equal to the P4-C chips. And the XP2500+ usually could be overclocked to a 3200+ or at least better than a stock 2800+. But now the chips are coming down in price so the faster XP's are an option if OC'in is something you want to avoid. It depends what your feelings are about overclocking and noise. But yeah I still like the XP2500+, P4 2.6C, P4 2.8C or possibly A64 if it's in budget. I'm not big on the A64's yet and haven't used one personally. I am sure that will change somedy, I just don't think the current mobos available are ones I'd want to buy.



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[pauldh]

I disagree the XP3000+ 400bus is as good allround as a P4 2.8C. Maybe AMD fanboys would dissagree, but I'd rather own a P4 2.8C than an XP3200+ and I have used both. I think the XP's main advantage is value in that nowhere else can a $80-$100 chip offer so much performance and so good overclocking.

Just see for yourself in reviews such as <A HREF="http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030623/p4_3200-07.html" target="_new"> HERE</A>
A P4 2.8C basically takes an XP3200+ in every single test. Once Intel released the 800 bus chips, they clearly became the performance leader. Anybody argueing that is clueless or a blinded fanboy. No Athlon XP was even close. A64 is a different story.


Again IMO XP2500+/NF7(S) is the value leader and/or fun OC'in rig. IS7/P4 2.6C or 2.8C is a nice step up. And for high end forget XP's. Go for a higher P4 chip or an A64. Again that's just my opinion.




ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 512MB Corsair TwinX PC3200LL, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Pauldh on 03/06/04 02:23 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[Spitfire_x86]

IMO,

AXP 2800+ (=/+) P4 2.4C GHz
AXP 3000+ (=) P4 2.6C GHz
AXP 3200+ (=/-) P4 2.8C GHz

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[Johanthegnarler]

I agree, intel's cpu's are great at 2.8c and higher.
AMD can't touch 'em with the xp chips. I upgraded from a 2.8b system and since it was a bit early to upgrade i decided AMD due to price. Obviously this AMD system blows away a 2.8b, but this oc'ed is only on par with a 2.6c.

But i'm not complaining for 85 dollar cpu. At the time i bought this the 2.6c was 170usd.

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45.5k mark? 85 dollars went a long way. So did that extra 15 dollars for cooling my video card.

 

[pauldh]

I pretty much agree with those numbers.

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[endyen]

I have always had a problem with this. The only difference between a P4b and a P4c is the fsb. By increasing the fsb by 50% yet keeping the same clock speed, somehow Intel pulled off a 25% perf boost? I think that ocs done before the change do not bear this out.Check out <A HREF="http:// http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20021216/p4_41-13.html " target="_new">http:// http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20021216/p4_41-13.html </A> and tell me the gains made between 3.6 and 4.1 were due to the fsb jump to 175. It just doesn't work.

 

[Spitfire_x86]

P4C also has HT.

HT helps in encoding/rendering apps.

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[endyen]

I wouldn't swap HT for a cup of coffee, not like the P4s dont screem in encoding/rendering already.