ATI pushing hard to 0.13u and BEYOND.

Well it appears that ATI is alot more confident about their experiences with 0.13 than most people thought. ATI is commiting to a <A HREF="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20030929004713.html" target="_new">"very aggresive transition to 0.13 and 0.11 micron fab..."</A>.
So it appears that they may not have had the troubles that nV had and they learned from their mistakes. It will be interesting to see who breaches the 0.11 barrier first. IBM's input might be valuable, but then again ATI migt be able to get some help from Intel (if the rumours of switching fab plants is true, despite their current good relationship with TSMC).

<A HREF="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20030929004713.html" target="_new">http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20030929004713.html</A>


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d00d, what's the point with using such small transition micron gaps?!

I don't get why GFX cards don't follow the CPU tradition. Why not jump to 0.09m and save the trouble, get some extreme scalability? 0.15m to 0.13m is really not THAT important like 0.18m to 0.13m.

BTW I still don't get the ATi-Intel news. Could you explain to me what is this thing about one using another's chip?!

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Shareing fab space I think is what hes talking about. Intel has done this in the past with Cisco and 3COM im sure, gotta troll about and see if I can find the links.

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BTW I still don't get the ATi-Intel news. Could you explain to me what is this thing about one using another's chip?!

I've never heard of this before. Maybe on some new motherboard, maybe the south bridge is Intel & the North Bridge of the chipset is ATi, or vice versa. I would like to hear some news about this from TheGreatGrapeApe as well, myself.


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Speaking of trolling spud, you STILL have yet to bash me for using AMD :tongue:

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I think it is more along the reason of die costs for the chips and boards themselves than anything else (reason for not jumping to .09u). Just my two cents. Whoo HOOO...I hit addict.

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Your loss not mine I cant be held responsible for poor decision makeing on your part, its not my place or will to push my will on others. Just speaking the gosphel of our lord Intel.

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I don't think blasphemy can be used when preaching. :smile:

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My last AMD chip burned (well almost at 70c).

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And that's AMD's fault?


Stop asking people "whats up" or "hows it goin", you know you don't give a sh*t. And noone cares how you're doing either.

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BTW I still don't get the ATi-Intel news.
Ok the two major issues. ATI will likely take over Intel's integrated market share by making the VPUs for even Intel's own MOBOs.

What I was refering to above was exactly as SPUD explained it. There has been alot of talk (I first heard it @ vBitLabs site) that Intel will take over the fab for some of the future chips instead of Taiwan Semi. This would be very much like IBM's deal with nV. Intel is one of the leaders in 0.9u fab process. Right now Intel and ATI have a very good relationship, and there is alot of talk that this would just make things even cosier, and likely more profitable for both.
So far it's just rumour, but it does make ALOT of sense in terms of many recent events.

The main reason vpu's trail cpu in transition is that there is alot of R&D tied up in the various processes, and the cost can be easier covered with the large number of CPUs built. For the VPU market they tend to follow the r&D of the CPU market to allow them to do alot of the leg work on the difficult stuff, like cross-talk, SOI, etc.

IT just makes sense. Yes, perhaps it would've made sense to go straight from 0.15 to 0.11 or 0.9, but really it's a big risk (which nV found out) that many companies aren't willing to go through. ATI's strategy of testing the 0.13 waters with their mid-range product was brilliant. And according to the above article it appears they will do the same next time around.

Needless to say, I think ATI was looking for an answer to IBM-nV link which seemed like a nice move on their part (IBM analysts however think it has hurt IBM somewhat since they only charge nV for good wafers whereas TSMC charges for all of them good or bad.)

Well that's my take on it.


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