ATi using bridge chips?

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ATi is now saying they are using bridge chips

Another lie, remember how people gave nV a hard time about this?


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This was mentioned a while ago, ATI doesn't have the budget to design 2 different chips for every gen.

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was it? I thought they said they weren't using a bridge chip before.

And nV stated something like the brdige chip was inside thier gpu and ATi denied it?

it was a while back so maybe just don't remember it well
 

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WTH??


they had a pci-express version of the 9600pro back in like November, why the hell would NEWER cores need a freaking bridge?? youd think that if an older core supported it natively , the newer ones would too! this is ghey, especialy sinse ATI led us to believe the opposite and used it as fodder against NV, but on the other side we dont actually know if the bridges have a negative effect yet.

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oh man i read that totally wrong


nvidia is bridging AGP to Pci-express


ATI is bridging Pci-express to AGP, which is the opposite.



theres a big difference, and i take back what i said in my previous post about ATI lieing, because they didnt lie

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nVidia can bridge both ways Phial

AGP --> PCI-EX
PCI-EX --> AGP

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yea

its just that ATI said they would not be bridging Pci-express cards. meaning that they had support built in. and they still wont be (so they arent lieing)


its just that they are going to be bridging future PCI-Express chips to AGP.

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I believe the exact wording they used was that they had a "native PCI express solution". Since so many of these huge arguements start over what a word "means", I think they are clear. They were ripping on NVidia for bridging AGP to PCI-EX (although I don't think it makes a difference since the PCI-EX bandwidth is ridiculously high, by the time cards come even close to saturating it, any decent new card will be PCI-EX anyway), because they said the bridge was an inferior solution to native support. Of course, now we'll have to see if PCI-EX to AGP is inferior to AGP.

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AGP bridges for PCI-Ex chips will result in inferior performance on AGP cards, but that small performance drop doesn't matter to ATI simply because AGP slots are legacy devices now.

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Wow, don't YOU look like the fool! ATI is comming out with a PCI-Express chip to AGP slot bridge for legacy systems (old systems that don't matter to the performance crowd anyway). They said they weren't going to use a bridge for PCI-Express cards, they won't be.

You have to remember that by the time ATI replaces the X800 series, AGP will be VERY outdated.

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No, they said they weren't making a bridge for pci-ex native cards. Which they aren't. The pci-ex card are not using a bridge, which makes them native. In which they aren't lying. If they put a agp-pci-ex bridge on the pci-ex cards then that would not make them native.

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Hey now I can visit your thread. But at least I'll post about the actual article.

Well just making a point that they are using a bridge chip when they said they weren't
But like all of your points, they are misleading, and prove that while you say you don't need to read reviews, when you do you don't read beyond the headline.

The big difference is this is a BENIFIT for AGP owners who would otherwise be forced to upgrade their motherboards, with not AGP option. Both nV and ATI said they would be phasing out AGP before the end of the year, in that way both definitely lied, or at least misjudged the potential resistance to adoption of PCI-EX. ATI bridging DOWN to help the late adopters is nowhere nears the same thing as nV bridging up to pretend they have a PCI-EX chip instead of a an AGP chip put on a PCI-EX board.

nV accused ATI of using a Bridge Chip inside their chips for their native PCI-EX cards, which was completely false. ATI only claimed that they would not use a bridge, nor did they incorporate one in their vpu for their PCI-EX solution, they never addressed a bridge to accomodate AGP users.

ATI claims nV got their misconception from X-raying their chip, which you would have remembered had you read it earlier last week.

<A HREF="http://www.theinquirer.net/Default.aspx?article=16332" target="_new">http://www.theinquirer.net/Default.aspx?article=16332</A>

The only lie from BOTH ATI and nV was that they were going to move towards only AGP cards. Of course this was also mentioned last week, so the current InQ headline just reconfirms that belief.

And like so many have pointed out to you, PCI-EX being bridged to AGP for old consumers isn't really news, and was actually the way many people saw the initial R400 as being, until they announced two different parts. However using a bridge that takes the fat pipe of the new boards and restricting it with the HSI chip, that was news. Whether or not it has any impact is still debateable, I doubt it will matter much, but as no reputable person's provided benchies, I guess we'll have to wait for the FACTS.

BTW, thanks for posting this for me, with everything else going on here I didn't have time to get around to it.

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well it wasn't miss leading because I asked a question in the second post in this thread.

Thats what I was talking about being abrassive.

Don't be like that.

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They said they aren't using a bridge chip on their PCI-Express cards, and they aren't. They're going to use it on their AGP cards. And that's only to provide cards for old systems. Like the PCI cards we have today.

They likely planned on the X800 series to be their last AGP series, but now they're doing you a favor by giving you future cards for your old board.

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If ya think thats going to make me go away think again. Also HB I don't like being an ahole either. It just wastes my time as well as everyone elses. Just don't insult me is all I ask. It seems to me you're an ATi fan aswell. Nothin wrong with that. Just that I'll keep my opinions more neutral next time.
 

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If you want to rip on ATI, do it right, rip on them for fake triliear filtering, and for lying to THG about it. Read the article at THG, they have proof, an ATI representative told them it was full trilinear when it wasn't.

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