Avoiding drowning by eel or kraken

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I'm curious about ways to avoid the drowning attack of eels or kraken.
Here's what I know:

-- Wear an oily/slippery cloak. They can't grab you.
-- Don't have a slippery cloak? Make one. Put grease on your outer body
armor (cloak if you're wearing one, if not your cloak, then your body
armor; Does this work if you're only wearing a t-shirt? What if you're
naked?)
-- Teleportitis: Not totally sure about this. If you have teleportitis
(and teleport control), do you get an emergency teleport if grabbed by
a ;?
-- Stand back. Use some sort of ranged attack or spell to take out the
nasty bastards from a distance.

Other ways to avoid drowning? Clarifications on the methods above?

Thanks,

--Pax
 
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After a bit of wizmode testing:

Greased t-shirts do indeed provide protection against drowning. I
presume this is only so if the greased t-shirt is your outer armor.

I couldn't figure out how to apply a thick layer of grease to myself
when not wearing armor. That's probably for the best.

It appears that you get one turn to consider your fate, but you must
pay attention. An eel or kraken will grab you first. On the next turn,
you'll drown. What you do in-between is the important part.
 
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John Paxton wrote:

> -- Teleportitis: Not totally sure about this. If you have
teleportitis
> (and teleport control), do you get an emergency teleport if grabbed
by
> a ;?

You do get a warning that you have been grabbed the round before you
are pulled under, so if you don't rush you will see it. This allows you
teleport if you can or alternatively teleport the offending creature
away.

Other ways which may also work, though feel free to correct me here as
a couple of these are guesses

-Ring of free action to prevent grabbing

-Praying after being grabbed

-"oLS

-Charm monster

-" of magical breathing so you wont drown

-Polymorphing into a water breathing or non breathing monster. (Would
polymorphing into a giant sized monster help?)

I am sure there are other ways as well. There is an "instadeath"
spioler which may throw more light on this
 
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On 2005-04-04, John Paxton <johnpaxton@gmail.com> wrote:
> Other ways to avoid drowning? Clarifications on the methods above?

You can also write Elbereth to scare them away, have magical breathing,
polymorph into something which is amphibious or breathless.

Wearing a ring of free action greatly reduces your chances of getting grabbed.


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John Paxton wrote:
> I'm curious about ways to avoid the drowning attack of eels or kraken.
> Here's what I know:
> [...]
>
> Other ways to avoid drowning?

(Ignoring the ranged attacks?)
Build "walls of ice" with a wand.
Read a scroll of earth.
(Or push boulders into the moat.)
Have a wand of teleport at hand.
My preferred method: don't approach.

Janis
 
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Andrew D. Hilton wrote:
> On 2005-04-04, John Paxton <johnpaxton@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Other ways to avoid drowning?

> Wearing a ring of free action greatly reduces your chances of getting
> grabbed.

Nope. That's a myth.

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On 2005-04-04, Boudewijn Waijers <kroisos@REMOVETHISWORD.home.nl> wrote:
> Andrew D. Hilton wrote:
>> On 2005-04-04, John Paxton <johnpaxton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Other ways to avoid drowning?
>
>> Wearing a ring of free action greatly reduces your chances of getting
>> grabbed.
>
> Nope. That's a myth.
>

Sorry- that IS true in slashem, (if you have free action, you have
a 50% + luck bonus [i.e. rnl(10)<5] chance of quickly freeing yourself),
but on further inspection that piece of code appears to be missing
from vanilla.

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Lichen Fodder wrote:

> -Ring of free action to prevent grabbing

Doesn't work. Myth alert!

Please don't make up things that you *think* are correct or that you
think should be correct, and present them as facts.

People might rely on your well-meant, but unchecked advice, and get
their characters killed.

Check the "facts" you state first, then post.

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Boudewijn Waijers wrote:

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> Please don't make up things that you *think* are correct or that you
> think should be correct, and present them as facts.
>

I have had this conversation with you recently. I specifically stated
that some of my suggestions were guesses and that people were free to
correct them.

Just because someone is not as spoiled as you doesn't mean that they
can't participate in this forum. All I was doing was thinking up
solutions to the problem and making suggestions. I stated this very
clearly. This is part of the fun of the game, or at least I consider it
to be.

I think we should take a more tolerant attitude to people who use the
newsgroup as it is more likely to foster their interest in the game.
 
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"John Paxton" <johnpaxton@gmail.com> writes:

> Other ways to avoid drowning?

Wearing a AoMB or being polied into a non-breathing or
aquatic form are simple indeas, but the simplest of
all ideas, genociding ;s, seems not to have been
mentioned yet. Seriously, unless you want genoless,
this is an extremely simple, dependable and convenient
method.

Best,
Jakob
 
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"Andrew D. Hilton" <adhilton@seas.upenn.edu> writes:
> On 2005-04-04, Boudewijn Waijers <kroisos@REMOVETHISWORD.home.nl> wrote:
> > Andrew D. Hilton wrote:
> >> Wearing a ring of free action greatly reduces your chances of getting
> >> grabbed.
> > Nope. That's a myth.

> Sorry- that IS true in slashem, (if you have free action, you have

Nobody mentioned Slashem earlier.
By default, we are talking about plain vanilla Nethack, unless otherwise
explicitly mentioned.

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"John Paxton" <johnpaxton@gmail.com> writes:

> I'm curious about ways to avoid the drowning attack of eels or kraken.
> -- Teleportitis: Not totally sure about this. If you have teleportitis
> (and teleport control), do you get an emergency teleport if grabbed by

No you don't. Besides, most of them are on non-teleport levels so it
wouldn't work anyway.

> Other ways to avoid drowning? Clarifications on the methods above?

Keep a wand of teleport handy, and when you get grabbed, teleport the
GRABBER away.

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Quoting Jakob Creutzig <creutzig@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de>:
>"John Paxton" <johnpaxton@gmail.com> writes:
>>Other ways to avoid drowning?
>Wearing a AoMB or being polied into a non-breathing or
>aquatic form are simple indeas, but the simplest of
>all ideas, genociding ;s, seems not to have been
>mentioned yet.

That's the second simplest. Standing back with a heap'o'rocks, that's the
simplest. :)

>Seriously, unless you want genoless,
>this is an extremely simple, dependable and convenient method.

But also resource-intensive.
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On 05 Apr 2005 11:29:55 +0300, Jukka Lahtinen <jukkal@despammed.com> wrote:
>"Andrew D. Hilton" <adhilton@seas.upenn.edu> writes:
>> Sorry- that IS true in slashem, (if you have free action, you have
>
>Nobody mentioned Slashem earlier.
>By default, we are talking about plain vanilla Nethack, unless otherwise
>explicitly mentioned.

What i meant was, I had a reasonable basis for beleiving it was true-
namely, I had not only recalled experiencing it, I had also seen it in
the source, so I apologized for my failure to realize that it was a difference
between slashem and nethack.

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Jakob Creutzig wrote:
> "John Paxton" <johnpaxton@gmail.com> writes:
>
>
>>Other ways to avoid drowning?
>
>
> Wearing a AoMB or being polied into a non-breathing or
> aquatic form are simple indeas, but the simplest of
> all ideas, genociding ;s, seems not to have been
> mentioned yet. Seriously, unless you want genoless,
> this is an extremely simple, dependable and convenient
> method.

No, it's not. Oh, technically, it does keep you safe from
drowning by eel or kraken, but that's not much reassurance the first
time you get drowned by a couatl. (Yes, they can do it. I discovered
that the hard way a few weeks back. And they're not genocidable.)

I don't waste genocides on ;. They're harmless, if you observe
one basic precaution... don't stand next to water until you're sure
there's nothing alive in there. If there is something alive in there,
huck rocks at it, or magic-missile it, or smack it with a polearm until
it stops being alive. Sea life doesn't spawn randomly, so after the
initial elimination, the water's safe.

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John Campbell wrote:
> Jakob Creutzig wrote:
> > "John Paxton" <johnpaxton@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > > Other ways to avoid drowning?
> >
> > Wearing a AoMB or being polied into a non-breathing or
> > aquatic form are simple indeas, but the simplest of
> > all ideas, genociding ;s, seems not to have been
> > mentioned yet. Seriously, unless you want genoless,
> > this is an extremely simple, dependable and convenient
> > method.
>
> I don't waste genocides on ;. They're harmless, if you observe
> one basic precaution... don't stand next to water until you're sure
> there's nothing alive in there. If there is something alive in there,
> huck rocks at it, or magic-missile it, or smack it with a polearm
until
> it stops being alive. Sea life doesn't spawn randomly, so after the
> initial elimination, the water's safe.

I also heartily recommend a pet water troll. I polytrapped one
recently and the thing was like a buzz saw. It cleared Medusa in like
a hundred turns flat.
 
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David Damerell wrote:
> Quoting Jakob Creutzig <creutzig@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de>:
>> "John Paxton" <johnpaxton@gmail.com> writes:

>>> Other ways to avoid drowning?

>> Wearing a AoMB or being polied into a non-breathing or
>> aquatic form are simple indeas, but the simplest of
>> all ideas, genociding ;s, seems not to have been
>> mentioned yet.

> That's the second simplest. Standing back with a heap'o'rocks, that's
> the simplest. :)

Note that my current healer on nethack.alt.org went down to the locate
level in the quest (with the temple of Poseidon) and ended up on the
staircase, NEXT TO the water. That water was occupied by an eel, and all
land squares adjacent to the stairs were also occupied, so the only safe
way without AoMB or oilskin cloak was to go back up the stairs.

>> Seriously, unless you want genoless,
>> this is an extremely simple, dependable and convenient method.

> But also resource-intensive.

You need approximately 20 rocks to kill a giant or electric eel; krakens
would take some more. But by the time you encounter sea monsters, you
should have hundreds, if not thousands of rocks.

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can look over it. - "the Orphanage of Hits", former Dutch radio show.