[SOLVED] B550m Mortar wifi - Boot Speed

[Rukazu]

Hello. My new system is, since 90days ago, a Ryzen 7 3700x, a B550m mortar wifi, and 16GB DDR4.

This motherbard does not include the "fast boot" option on it bios, so I was wondering about what can I do to speed up the boot proccess. The "Last BIOS Time" in windows does not go below 13-16 seconds.
I can't believe that a NEW and not a "budget" motherboard does not include this option.

¿Suggestions to improve speed? Thanks

Extra: I was thinking to change to an ASUS B550-F Strix Wifi, because its better antennas, better posicioned clear cmos jumper and options like the fast boot on the bios... But I doubt because the known failures on the ethernet port.

DOES IT WORTH THE CHANGE? Wich mobo is better?I want a motherboard with wifi and bluetooth included. That is a must.

 

[Lutfij]

Please include/list your specs like so:
CPU:
Motherboard:
Ram:
SSD/HDD:
GPU:
PSU:
OS:

Which BIOS version are you currently on for your motherboard? Often times, the same function can be found under a different name. I'd advise on making sure you've got no BIOS updates pending.

 

[Rukazu]

Please include/list your specs like so:
CPU:
Motherboard:
Ram:
SSD/HDD:
GPU:
PSU:
OS:

Which BIOS version are you currently on for your motherboard? Often times, the same function can be found under a different name. I'd advise on making sure you've got no BIOS updates pending.

Hello my friend. I've updated to the last BIOS before asking this questions. Version 1.3. It does not include any new options or features.

I contacted MSI and they replied that this option is not available, and they said :
Regarding your concern, sorry to say that there is no fast boot option in the BIOS now.
(literally copy-pasted from the email).

I replied this mail asking if they are going to add this option or similar options in further updates and they said:
For the AM4 platform, we cannot guarantee that we will add the option soon. Thanks!
(literally copy-pasted from the email).

So, MSI does not include this option in a non-cheap motherboard. I thinks this is a big fault. I will not consider buying another of this brands motherboards in the future. And maybe I'll change this board, I am considering the ASUS B550-f Strix wifi.

My question in this case is: how can I reduce the BIOS POST time, and the "last bios time" on windows? actual is 14-15 seconds.

 

[kanewolf]

My question in this case is: how can I reduce the BIOS POST time, and the "last bios time" on windows? actual is 14-15 seconds.

Don't power off your PC. Let it go to sleep. The power usage while in sleep is minimal. Since RAM is maintained, the time to recover is short.

 

[Rukazu]

Don't power off your PC. Let it go to sleep. The power usage while in sleep is minimal. Since RAM is maintained, the time to recover is short.

Thanks for the data!
Can I have any troubles if the power goes off? Like on the PS4.
I don't know if "sleep" is the same of "Suspender" or "hibernar" (I have windows in Spanish).

Does this option reduce the lifetime of the components? Or is just like the power off? I am an old school person. Power on, power off, reset.

 

[kanewolf]

Thanks for the data!
Can I have any troubles if the power goes off? Like on the PS4.
I don't know if "sleep" is the same of "Suspender" or "hibernar" (I have windows in Spanish).

Does this option reduce the lifetime of the components? Or is just like the power off? I am an old school person. Power on, power off, reset.

Sleep == Suspend. Hibernate writes the contents of RAM to disk before shutdown. If you have an NVMe disk, that could be fast also.
Could you have problems? You will lose work in progress. The disks will be shutdown and there will be no writes pending. You will get a "didn't shutdown clean" message, I think. I don't think anything will be corrupted.

 

[Rukazu]

Sleep == Suspend. Hibernate writes the contents of RAM to disk before shutdown. If you have an NVMe disk, that could be fast also.
Could you have problems? You will lose work in progress. The disks will be shutdown and there will be no writes pending. You will get a "didn't shutdown clean" message, I think. I don't think anything will be corrupted.

Maybe I'll start to use this option. Sounds good!

 

[kanewolf]

Maybe I'll start to use this option. Sounds good!

I have my PC in Suspend mode for years. I do have a UPS to prevent "glitch" type outages.

 

[Rukazu]

I have my PC in Suspend mode for years. I do have a UPS to prevent "glitch" type outages.

Do I strictly have to have a UPS?

 

[kanewolf]

Do I strictly have to have a UPS?

No. But, they are never a bad idea

 

[Zerk2012]

actual is 14-15 seconds

That is not a bad boot time I would leave things alone.

 

[GarrettL]

I agree, I have a fast boot option on my motherboard but don't use it. A few seconds at start-up? Who cares.

 

[drea.drechsler]

I have my PC in Suspend mode for years. I do have a UPS to prevent "glitch" type outages.

I don't think windows suspends that way anymore. Mine only has a 'sleep' or 'hibernate' option and even sleep is more like a 'shutdown' now and Windows actually goes into a hybrid sleep state and writes out active areas of memory to the NVME drive. When it re-boots after a 'sleep' it can quickly recover the memory state; re-booting after s hibernate reloads all apps that were open with date from the memory image in hiberfil.sys. Unhide system files and 'hiberfil.sys' is always in the root of system drive. I think your system is safe from power outages because everything gets written to non-volatile stoarage. Unless you disable all that the only way to lose data in a hibernate state is if you change something about the system: new/more memory or drives or something like that.

BTW: starting up from shutdown, sleep or hibernation are essentially identical with no open apps. Only when I have data and apps open does it matter as a shutdown shuts down all open apps but hibernate just writes out all memory to hiberfil. I really can't tell the difference between sleep and hibernate, though, as writing out a 16gig file takes time even on an NVME.

And then there's Superfetch: Applications, system files and device drivers all load super fast because the most-used areas of those files are stored sequentially on disk too. It used to be easily disabled but now even if you disable Fast Startup in the Power Config menus it's still working. You have to find the (renamed) service and disable it to really stop it. Even then, the first update it gets re-enabled.

That said, it's a bit delicate, as I've found out. I've tried fiddling with settings (like disabling the service ) only to find that Windows detects a failure to restart from sleep (after a shutdown, not restart), then I lose all open data and it's slower. So I think that if OP is having problems with slow start up of Windows then he's got something else going on. But if he's eager to try another motherboard, go ahead. Just be sure to do a clean re-install of Windows on the new system, letting it delete and recreate all partitions.

@Rukazu : I have a B450 Mortar and it has a Fast Memory Startup feature. I think all it's does is not test all of memory at POST with no significant improvement in startup process. If you're sure your Windows startup is slow then I'd look into making sure Window's startup process is working right first. How did you install Windows on the new system? Did you do a clean install?

 

[Rukazu]

I tried the suspend yesterday and it was like the shutdown. Today, after the new windows update, I tried it again, but the computer DOES NOT wake up pressing the power button.
Yesterday and the day before yesterday it worked... Someone with the same issue? @kanewolf did you experienced something like this?

 

[Rukazu]

I don't think windows suspends that way anymore. Mine only has a 'sleep' or 'hibernate' option and even sleep is more like a 'shutdown' now and Windows actually goes into a hybrid sleep state and writes out active areas of memory to the NVME drive. When it re-boots after a 'sleep' it can quickly recover the memory state; re-booting after s hibernate reloads all apps that were open with date from the memory image in hiberfil.sys. Unhide system files and 'hiberfil.sys' is always in the root of system drive. I think your system is safe from power outages because everything gets written to non-volatile stoarage. Unless you disable all that the only way to lose data in a hibernate state is if you change something about the system: new/more memory or drives or something like that.

BTW: starting up from shutdown, sleep or hibernation are essentially identical with no open apps. Only when I have data and apps open does it matter as a shutdown shuts down all open apps but hibernate just writes out all memory to hiberfil. I really can't tell the difference between sleep and hibernate, though, as writing out a 16gig file takes time even on an NVME.

And then there's Superfetch: Applications, system files and device drivers all load super fast because the most-used areas of those files are stored sequentially on disk too. It used to be easily disabled but now even if you disable Fast Startup in the Power Config menus it's still working. You have to find the (renamed) service and disable it to really stop it. Even then, the first update it gets re-enabled.

That said, it's a bit delicate, as I've found out. I've tried fiddling with settings (like disabling the service ) only to find that Windows detects a failure to restart from sleep (after a shutdown, not restart), then I lose all open data and it's slower. So I think that if OP is having problems with slow start up of Windows then he's got something else going on. But if he's eager to try another motherboard, go ahead. Just be sure to do a clean re-install of Windows on the new system, letting it delete and recreate all partitions.

@Rukazu : I have a B450 Mortar and it has a Fast Memory Startup feature. I think all it's does is not test all of memory at POST with no significant improvement in startup process. If you're sure your Windows startup is slow then I'd look into making sure Window's startup process is working right first. How did you install Windows on the new system? Did you do a clean install?

Yes, I did a clean install thinking the UEFI mode will be faster, but it is the same.

Could you tell me more about the fast memory startup feature? thanks =)
EDIT: The Fast memory is enabled.

 

[kanewolf]

I tried the suspend yesterday and it was like the shutdown. Today, after the new windows update, I tried it again, but the computer DOES NOT wake up pressing the power button.
Yesterday and the day before yesterday it worked... Someone with the same issue? @kanewolf did you experienced something like this?

No. My PC wakes up with the mouse click (I have a wired mouse and keyboard).

 

[Rukazu]

No. My PC wakes up with the mouse click (I have a wired mouse and keyboard).

I don't know. Yesterday it woke up pushing the button... today it didn't. I do not understand what happened here.

I have a question: my ps4, for example, when it is in suspend/sleep mode, keep dowloading games.
Does Windows the same thing?

 

[Rukazu]

actual is 14-15 seconds

That is not a bad boot time I would leave things alone.

But my previous motherboard, and old and cheap p23fx was faster...

 

[drea.drechsler]

Yes, I did a clean install thinking the UEFI mode will be faster, but it is the same.

Could you tell me more about the fast memory startup feature? thanks =)
EDIT: The Fast memory is enabled.

I said about all I know; MSI offers exactly no information on what it does. I'm really only guessing because back in the day it was a common feature in BIOS to only test first 640K in a large memory configuration. Even though that was only something like 32MB back then it made a major difference in clearing POST. So when you had confidence in memory integrity you absolutely did it.

You can make all the Windows tweaks and disable services/enable sleep you want but it won't help speed up clearing POST. So if that's what is slowing up your booting that's where you have something configured wrong. If you haven't you might just clear CMOS and compare boot times.

 

[Zerk2012]

But my previous motherboard, and old and cheap p23fx was faster...

No M.2 slot and only 3GBs SATA I think not.

Don't think I would even use fast boot if it was offered, their a lot of post on this site that people enable it then they can't get into BIOS.

 

[Rukazu]

No M.2 slot and only 3GBs SATA I think not.

Don't think I would even use fast boot if it was offered, their a lot of post on this site that people enable it then they can't get into BIOS.

I just can't understand why are they offering less options...
And I don`t like the POST tooks too much time compared to another boards. I know, maybe I'm overreacting, but I want all the features.

 

[Zerk2012]

I just can't understand why are they offering less options...
And I don`t like the POST tooks too much time compared to another boards. I know, maybe I'm overreacting, but I want all the features.

Dude really you can't take 15 seconds out of your life to boot the PC? Like I said the quick boot bypasses some things and can go to crap if you try to boot into BIOS.

Your normal boot process is the motherboard checks each part then it will post then load windows.

This is sounding like a Epion thing where your looking to 1 up your friends saying My PC Starts in 5 seconds and your is 12 you have junk!

EDIT Buy a new motherboard to cut a few seconds off your boot time, cost of the motherboard and having to reinstall windows. With just the time to reinstall windows and then run the updates you could of booted in 15 seconds well over 500 times.

You bought what you bought if you were looking for different features in the motherboard you should of actually looked at the boards to know what you were buying.

Nothing personal but in no way do I understand your thinking or even the reason!

It takes my PC about 10 seconds to boot OK ready 1001, 1002, 1003, 1004, 1005 now were both booted.

 

[Rukazu]

Dude really you can't take 15 seconds out of your life to boot the PC? Like I said the quick boot bypasses some things and can go to crap if you try to boot into BIOS.

Your normal boot process is the motherboard checks each part then it will post then load windows.

This is sounding like a Epion thing where your looking to 1 up your friends saying My PC Starts in 5 seconds and your is 12 you have junk!

EDIT Buy a new motherboard to cut a few seconds off your boot time, cost of the motherboard and having to reinstall windows. With just the time to reinstall windows and then run the updates you could of booted in 15 seconds well over 500 times.

You bought what you bought if you were looking for different features in the motherboard you should of actually looked at the boards to know what you were buying.

Nothing personal but in no way do I understand your thinking or even the reason!

It takes my PC about 10 seconds to boot OK ready 1001, 1002, 1003, 1004, 1005 now were both booted.

My friend, the problem ( at least from my point of view) is this: A brand is putting less options in a non-budget product, so I feel a little dissapointed.

With that and the flaw design of the cmos clear pin position... they did the things wrong. Oh, and I can't forget the antennas.

 

[Suparno15]

Hello. My new system is, since 90days ago, a Ryzen 7 3700x, a B550m mortar wifi, and 16GB DDR4.

This motherbard does not include the "fast boot" option on it bios, so I was wondering about what can I do to speed up the boot proccess. The "Last BIOS Time" in windows does not go below 13-16 seconds.
I can't believe that a NEW and not a "budget" motherboard does not include this option.

¿Suggestions to improve speed? Thanks

Extra: I was thinking to change to an ASUS B550-F Strix Wifi, because its better antennas, better posicioned clear cmos jumper and options like the fast boot on the bios... But I doubt because the known failures on the ethernet port.

DOES IT WORTH THE CHANGE? Wich mobo is better?I want a motherboard with wifi and bluetooth included. That is a must.

Go to asrock b550m pro4. It can do better performance in fast boot