Question Rog Strix B850-E versus Rog Strix X870E-E ?

[mahmoudkito]

Guys I am looking for an Asus board for a Ryzen 7 9800X3D.

I am very confused between the Rog Strix B850-E and the Rog Strix X870E-E

I am leaning towards the B850-E but I am not sure it can overclock the 9800X3D as good as the X870E-E.
For me the B850-E has all the features that the X870E-E offers except AI cooling.
Is it a big deal or it should be fine that the B850-E doesn't have AI cooling and it's also cheaper by 150 dollars. So which one to go with and I want an Asus board not any other make.

 

[Hellfire13]

What AI cooling does is adjust the fan curve as per temps, something that you can do manually if you dont want to spend extra. People have been doing it manually till now, so no big deal..

 

[Ralston18]

Update your post to include some "requirements".

What do you need the "board" to do?

More details needed.

If your use of "ai" means Artificial Intelligence then I would be wary about some buzz word marketing trap.

And specifically why do you want ASUS?

 

[mahmoudkito]

What AI cooling does is adjust the fan curve as per temps, something that you can do manually if you dont want to spend extra. People have been doing it manually till now, so no big deal..

And in terms of overclocking will the b give the Same overclocking performance as the X board

 

[mahmoudkito]

Update your post to include some "requirements".

What do you need the "board" to do?

More details needed.

If your use of "ai" means Artificial Intelligence then I would be wary about some buzz word marketing trap.

And specifically why do you want ASUS?

Update your post to include some "requirements".

What do you need the "board" to do?

More details needed.

If your use of "ai" means Artificial Intelligence then I would be wary about some buzz word marketing trap.

And specifically why do you want ASUS?

I want to get maximum overclocking performance from the board and I want Asus because it has good software and the best audio for immersion in gaming

 

[Ralston18]

How do you define "maximum overclocking performance", "good software", and "best audio"?

Quantify.

Measurable.

 

[CountMike]

I want to get maximum overclocking performance from the board and I want Asus because it has good software and the best audio for immersion in gaming

You don't need to overclock those CPUs, they already are at top performance, just have to be tuned properly. Any B or X MB would have enough power and options enough to do it. Even 8+4+1 VRM can push up to 180W which is more than enough.
There are enough optimization guides like this one for instance.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOJd7OrOy0A

 

[mahmoudkito]

You don't need to overclock those CPUs, they already are at top performance, just have to be tuned properly. Any B or X MB would have enough power and options enough to do it. Even 8+4+1 VRM can push up to 180W which is more than enough.
There are enough optimization guides like this one for instance.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOJd7OrOy0A

So you suggest that i get the b850e and save the 150 dollars

 

[CountMike]

So you suggest that i get the b850e and save the 150 dollars

Yes, as far as CPU is concerned. X870 have better chipset options though, More USB, even USB4 and more PCIe 4.0 and 5.0 lanes, if you need them. Actually that just about only things that makes them better than B650/X670 MBs.

 

[mahmoudkito]

Yes, as far as CPU is concerned. X870 have better chipset options though, More USB, even USB4 and more PCIe 4.0 and 5.0 lanes, if you need them. Actually that just about only things that makes them better than B650/X670 MBs.

But in the bios menu will the b850e have the same oc options for ram and CPU as the x870e-e?

 

[CountMike]

But in the bios menu will the b850e have the same oc options for ram and CPU as the x870e-e?

Yes with MBs from same company.

 

[mahmoudkito]

Yes with MBs from same company.

I don't need the extra usb ports on the x870e-e and I think in terms of m.2 slots lane sharing with pcie 5 x16 the b850e and x870e e are the same in this matter

 

[CountMike]

I don't need the extra usb ports on the x870e-e and I think in terms of m.2 slots lane sharing with pcie 5 x16 the b850e and x870e e are the same in this matter

Actually, only first M.2 NVMe matters and there are no problems with that and GPU.

 

[mahmoudkito]

Actually, only first M.2 NVMe matters and there are no problems with that and GPU.

So after all the info I provided you suggest that I get the b850e or the x870e-e

 

[Hellfire13]

Here is a comprehensive features list of the different AM5 chipsets...

Guide to AMD Ryzen AM5 Motherboard Chipsets

When choosing a motherboard for your Ryzen CPU, you'll find options like X870, B650, A620, and the new B850 and B840. This guide explains the chipset differences...

www.techspot.com

I wont say you will be missing much with B850e.

 

[JayGau]

Actually, only first M.2 NVMe matters and there are no problems with that and GPU.

What does this even mean? They all matter, especially if you need multiple drives. There are 5x M.2 slots on the Strix X870E-E and only one shares lanes with the GPU, so I avoid putting any drive on this one, but all the four others are fine.

And if you are talking about this lanes-to-cpu vs lanes-to-chipset, no human beign on the planet could ever notice the difference. We can't even feel the difference between gen 3 and gen 4, so forget about CPU vs chipset lanes.

 

[JayGau]

You would likely have better stability with CPU overclocking and faster RAM with the X870. But it really depends how far you want to go with that. In real life situation you are not going see much difference though. Overclocking might give you 3-4% improvement, nothing that will astonish you while using the computer, beside seeing slightly higher numbers in benchmarks.

I personally always buy the X boards because I need the extra USB ports and they are generally better quality and more stable. But if the extra 150$ is a big deal for you then you might be just fine with the B850.

 

[CountMike]

What does this even mean? They all matter, especially if you need multiple drives. There are 5x M.2 slots on the Strix X870E-E and only one shares lanes with the GPU, so I avoid putting any drive on this one, but all the four others are fine.

And if you are talking about this lanes-to-cpu vs lanes-to-chipset, no human beign on the planet could ever notice the difference. We can't even feel the difference between gen 3 and gen 4, so forget about CPU vs chipset lanes.

I meant that there are enough fast PCIE lanes from CPU to cover PCIe x16 slot for GPU and first M.2 NVMe for all to work at full speed because your OS and programs should be on it to make full use of them. Those and RAM are very center of your PC and it's performance., everything else is just add-ons and comes from chipset, If your PC consisted of only those parts it would have exactly same performance as with anything that comes from chipset.
As for PCIe lanes, each generation doubles the bandwidth/speed/frequency of previous one and it's up to devises connected to them to use it or not. It doesn't matter that they are from chipset, same generation has same speed, from CPU or chipset.
NVMe also runs of PCIe lanes and it's performance also follows same generation bandwidth/performance doubling.

 

[QyInvoLing]

Pick x670e gene for overclocking.

 

[imdgamer]

Sorry to hijack this thread (OR let me know please, I will start a new one). I had the same query. My requirement is (again may be simple; pardon me if otherwise)
Any advise on a Mobo; what I would like is
- at least three M.2 slots for PCIe 5.0 NVMe disks; and with the ability to use Two of them withOUT lane sharing with GPU
- latest WiFi 7 (320 MHz), Bluetooth (5.4)
- recent audio codec (ACL4080 min)
- sufficient ports / connectivity


... sorry, let me recap a bit; I am trying to replace my aging PC
CPU: Intel i7 2600
RAM: 16 GB DDR3 Corsair Vengeance (4x4)
Mobo: Asus P8Z68 Deluxe Gen 3
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Evo CPU Fan
PSU: Corsair AX 850W
GPU: (Initial) MSI GeForce 560 Ti -> (Current) MSI GeForce 2060
HDD:
- 2.5" 250 GB SATA II Samsung 840 Pro SSD
- 2.5" 500 GB SATA II Samsung 850 Pro SSD
- 3.5" 4TB SATA I WD Black HDD
Case: Corsair Graphite Series™ 600T Mid-Tower Case
Optical Drive: Asus Bluray Burner

yes, it is 15 years old. 🙁 , and I still play R6 Siege, Rocket League, FIFA and AC series in this. Its clearly in ventilator support now... in its last stages. I can't open a browser, if I have a game or another app running...

The new machine that I would like to build

CPU: AMD Ryzen™ 7 9800X3D (is 9900X3D or 9950X3D worth the extra $)

RAM:
VENGEANCE® RGB 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 DRAM 6000MT/s CL30 AMD EXPO & Intel XMP Memory Kit
OR
G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo RGB 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5-6000 CL30-36-36-96 1.40V AMD EXPO

SSD: Obviously, I want to carry on stuff from the previous build. M.2 NVMe SSDs - one for the OS, one for the games, and last prolly for the storage. Options that I am looking at are below

- Crucial 1TB T705 NVMe PCIe 5.0 M.2 Internal SSD
- Samsung 9100 PRO with Heatsink 1 TB SSD NVMe™ M.2
- Samsung 990 PRO w/ Heatsink 2 TB SSD NVMe™ M.2
- WD_BLACK SN8100 NVMe SSD - 1TB, With Heatsink
- WD_BLACK SN850X NVMe™ SSD - 2TB, With Heatsink

PSU:
RMe Series RM1000e Fully Modular Low-Noise ATX Power Supply (ATX 3.1 Certified, PCIe 5.1 compatible)
OR
RMx Series RM1000x Fully Modular Power Supply (ATX 3.1 Certified, PCIe 5.1 compatible)

Mobo: this is where I request your help with - I am looking at X870 or X870E chipsets. OR should I go for X850? Please advise

CPU Cooler: Choices I am looking at
Noctua
Corsair NAUTILUS 360 RS ARGB
Arctic Freezer 36 A-RGB (Black)
Arctic Liquid Freezer III Pro 360 A-RGB
Cooler Master Hyper 622 Halo Black
Cooler Master MasterAir MA824 Stealth 30th Anniversary Edition Dual Tower CPU Air Cooler

Case : Suggestions for a good case, that goes well the PSU, Mobo, and good airflow... I will likely purchase aftermarket fans; preferrably if it has a section to fit in a BluRay burner 😀

I am not planning on replacing the GPU for now. The old display, keyboard, mouse will be carried over.

 

[CountMike]

Sorry to hijack this thread (OR let me know please, I will start a new one). I had the same query. My requirement is (again may be simple; pardon me if otherwise)
Any advise on a Mobo; what I would like is
- at least three M.2 slots for PCIe 5.0 NVMe disks; and with the ability to use Two of them withOUT lane sharing with GPU
- latest WiFi 7 (320 MHz), Bluetooth (5.4)
- recent audio codec (ACL4080 min)
- sufficient ports / connectivity


... sorry, let me recap a bit; I am trying to replace my aging PC
CPU: Intel i7 2600
RAM: 16 GB DDR3 Corsair Vengeance (4x4)
Mobo: Asus P8Z68 Deluxe Gen 3
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Evo CPU Fan
PSU: Corsair AX 850W
GPU: (Initial) MSI GeForce 560 Ti -> (Current) MSI GeForce 2060
HDD:
- 2.5" 250 GB SATA II Samsung 840 Pro SSD
- 2.5" 500 GB SATA II Samsung 850 Pro SSD
- 3.5" 4TB SATA I WD Black HDD
Case: Corsair Graphite Series™ 600T Mid-Tower Case
Optical Drive: Asus Bluray Burner

yes, it is 15 years old. 🙁 , and I still play R6 Siege, Rocket League, FIFA and AC series in this. Its clearly in ventilator support now... in its last stages. I can't open a browser, if I have a game or another app running...

The new machine that I would like to build

CPU: AMD Ryzen™ 7 9800X3D (is 9900X3D or 9950X3D worth the extra $)

RAM:
VENGEANCE® RGB 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 DRAM 6000MT/s CL30 AMD EXPO & Intel XMP Memory Kit
OR
G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo RGB 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5-6000 CL30-36-36-96 1.40V AMD EXPO

SSD: Obviously, I want to carry on stuff from the previous build. M.2 NVMe SSDs - one for the OS, one for the games, and last prolly for the storage. Options that I am looking at are below

- Crucial 1TB T705 NVMe PCIe 5.0 M.2 Internal SSD
- Samsung 9100 PRO with Heatsink 1 TB SSD NVMe™ M.2
- Samsung 990 PRO w/ Heatsink 2 TB SSD NVMe™ M.2
- WD_BLACK SN8100 NVMe SSD - 1TB, With Heatsink
- WD_BLACK SN850X NVMe™ SSD - 2TB, With Heatsink

PSU:
RMe Series RM1000e Fully Modular Low-Noise ATX Power Supply (ATX 3.1 Certified, PCIe 5.1 compatible)
OR
RMx Series RM1000x Fully Modular Power Supply (ATX 3.1 Certified, PCIe 5.1 compatible)

Mobo: this is where I request your help with - I am looking at X870 or X870E chipsets. OR should I go for X850? Please advise

CPU Cooler: Choices I am looking at
Noctua
Corsair NAUTILUS 360 RS ARGB
Arctic Freezer 36 A-RGB (Black)
Arctic Liquid Freezer III Pro 360 A-RGB
Cooler Master Hyper 622 Halo Black
Cooler Master MasterAir MA824 Stealth 30th Anniversary Edition Dual Tower CPU Air Cooler

Case : Suggestions for a good case, that goes well the PSU, Mobo, and good airflow... I will likely purchase aftermarket fans; preferrably if it has a section to fit in a BluRay burner 😀

I am not planning on replacing the GPU for now. The old display, keyboard, mouse will be carried over.

Better start your own thread, you will have better focus for answers.