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After a year or so decided to try another civIII.. points against it are
still (with PTW and Conquests installed):

* enemy archers winning from musketman on regurlar basis.
* your cavalry getting murdered by enemy spearman all the time.

I can't really put the finger on it, but civIII does grow tiresome after
some time I play it. Any thoughts are welcome.

Meanwhile

I'm off... back to CivII - CivI maybe
 
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:25:01 GMT, "Hari Seldon"
<roel.pieper@hetPN.net> wrote:

>After a year or so decided to try another civIII.. points against it are
>still (with PTW and Conquests installed):
>
>* enemy archers winning from musketman on regurlar basis.
>* your cavalry getting murdered by enemy spearman all the time.
>
>I can't really put the finger on it, but civIII does grow tiresome after
>some time I play it. Any thoughts are welcome.

It sounds like you just don't grasp the odds of combat.

Musketman is 2 attack, 4 defense. If you're using them to attack,
even against defense 1 units, they aren't going to do well. On
defense, if by archers you actually mean longbowmen (same era), those
have a 4 attack, and even odds on attack is going to get some wins in.

Cavalry has a 6 attack, spearman a 2 defense. Without terrain
modifiers, you'll win a good number of the fights. Pikeman with a 3
defense is much harder to take down -- if you're mistaking pikeman for
spearman, that would explain part of the problem.

But when you take into account the terrain defense bonuses the odds
are much worse. The AI rarely attacks with defense units, so the only
way that I tend to see musketman and spearman in combat is if I'm
attacking them.

I try to get the odds in my favor, and if I can't, I expect to take
heavy losses -- and still win, of course, if I haven't messed up too
badly. Just did a game where I went for global conquest (standard
map), and that was filled with warfare, hundreds of units running
around, and I never noticed any odd patterns. If I used my units
wisely, I won fights and took cities. It was kind of cool having 20+
modern armor armies (4 each) running around the map, doing major
modern era blitzkrieg.

But in the earlier era, there are times when it can be hard to get
the odds on your side. Cavalry has a nice attack but it isn't
powerful enough to overwhelm the defense; the best hope is that some
units run away. Cities larger than size 6 are hard to take due to
their inherent defense bonus, and terrain bonuses only add on to that
(AI will build cities on hills).

When dozens of units engage in combat, sometimes you'll have runs of
bad or good luck. They should even out, and if you only remember the
times when the "dice" went against you, it can confuse you.


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"Hari Seldon" <roel.pieper@hetPN.net> wrote in message
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> After a year or so decided to try another civIII.. points against it are
> still (with PTW and Conquests installed):
>
> * enemy archers winning from musketman on regurlar basis.
> * your cavalry getting murdered by enemy spearman all the time.
>
> I can't really put the finger on it, but civIII does grow tiresome after
> some time I play it. Any thoughts are welcome.
>
> Meanwhile
>
> I'm off... back to CivII - CivI maybe

It the tedium of repitition. You need to try different scenarios to break up
the monotony.
 
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Yeah, sometimes the dice roll comes up snake eyes. I've had tanks and
advanced armor get crushed by primitive spearmen and such. This is how I see
it...
Let's say you're rolling a tank into a city. A spearman manages to climb on
top of it. The captain of the tank opens the hatch to fight him mano-a-mana
and it the scuffle, the spearman throws him off, but not before stealing a
grenade or two and tossing them down the hatch. Of course, one tank does not
really equal one tank, more liek a few thousand. oh well, the perils of
randomness.

Grand Viking Stephan

P.S. off topic but I just read the Great War series by Harry Turtledove
about WWI being fought between the USA and CSA. Does anyone actually still
call tanks barrels? Did they ever?