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Anyone ever do anything special to improve the air quality in a basement
gameroom. I was thinking about purchasing something like this heat/air
exchanger:

http://www.hvacquick.com/scfnconfig.php?fm=HE&ID=hd6bfhso9jfaodhuuv3rcilov3

I can't just crank the basement's widows/door open as I have humidity
problems and have a dehumidifier problems.

I was wondering what any else might have done in a similar situation.

Thanks,
Bill
 
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We have one of these in our house.

http://www.ultimateair.com/store/recoupaerators.html

It is an energy recovery ventilator, bringing fresh air in
continuously and keeping hot air in during the winter and out during
the summer. It is an awesome piece of equipment and is built like a
tank. In our case it draws stale air from all the bathrooms and
exhausts it outside, and the replacement incoming fresh air is ducted
into the existing supply air ductwork. Supposed to be 96% efficient
and I believe it. They have window units too.
 
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how does it work with humid air? Is the moisture removed from the
incoming air?
 
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On 6 Jul 2005 10:29:09 -0700, "arkanerd" <arkanerd@hotmail.com> wrote:

>how does it work with humid air? Is the moisture removed from the
>incoming air?

Heat and energy recovery ventilators are not dehumidifiers, they only
bring fresh air in while maintaining energy efficiency. In our house
the A/C provides dehumidification (in the basement too).
 
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Finishing your basement won't increase the value much because of the water
issues. Common in cellar type applications.

Water in basement--don't even bother finishing it.

In many parts of the country, with walkouts and full size windows, dry
basements can be turned into very economical additional space which will add
value to the house. Most of the improvement can be recovered. In fact the
payoff is often better than souped up kitchens and baths.

Otto

CARGPB11

My web page: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-Ottoslanding

<brivy37@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>A finished basement wont increase your home value much,
 
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What I use is a dehumidifier, an ozone generator set to run fifteen minutes
of the hour, and one of those Sharper Image silent air cleaners that some
say don't accomplish anything. That combination and you will have a sweet
smelling room.
Steve Schukei
CARGPB 24
"bayoubilly" <bmichalo@cisco.com> wrote in message
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>
> Anyone ever do anything special to improve the air quality in a basement
> gameroom. I was thinking about purchasing something like this heat/air
> exchanger:
>
> http://www.hvacquick.com/scfnconfig.php?fm=HE&ID=hd6bfhso9jfaodhuuv3rcilov3
>
> I can't just crank the basement's widows/door open as I have humidity
> problems and have a dehumidifier problems.
>
> I was wondering what any else might have done in a similar situation.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
>
 
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Guys before we get to carried away with this air stuff what is an
arcade? a glorified garage nothing more or less.The Pins if maitained
on a regular basis suffered no fade,moister damage,backglass damage and
rusted connections.These machines were designed to operate in a ARCADE
that doesn't have the ideal envirement.
 
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Steve,

Did you know that ozone affects rubber? Might want to check into that. Lots
of online stuff to look at on this topic. I teach high school chemistry and
have done demos using Tesla coils to make ozone and show this effect. Here's
a link to another method some teachers use:

http://www.ucar.edu/learn/1_7_2_28t.htm

Marvin G.
EM Pinball, And Nothing But!
http://mysite.verizon.net/~woodrails




On 7/6/05 8:45 PM, in article 42cc890d$1_1@spool9-east.superfeed.net, "Steve
Schukei" <schukei@hotmail.com> wrote:

> What I use is a dehumidifier, an ozone generator set to run fifteen minutes
> of the hour, and one of those Sharper Image silent air cleaners that some
> say don't accomplish anything. That combination and you will have a sweet
> smelling room.
> Steve Schukei
> CARGPB 24
> "bayoubilly" <bmichalo@cisco.com> wrote in message
> news:1120664425.41127@sj-nntpcache-3...
>>
>> Anyone ever do anything special to improve the air quality in a basement
>> gameroom. I was thinking about purchasing something like this heat/air
>> exchanger:
>>
>> http://www.hvacquick.com/scfnconfig.php?fm=HE&ID=hd6bfhso9jfaodhuuv3rcilov3
>>
>> I can't just crank the basement's widows/door open as I have humidity
>> problems and have a dehumidifier problems.
>>
>> I was wondering what any else might have done in a similar situation.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>>
>>
>
>
 
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On 6 Jul 2005 23:55:46 -0700, "Grim" <grim0380@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Guys before we get to carried away with this air stuff what is an
>arcade? a glorified garage nothing more or less.The Pins if maitained
>on a regular basis suffered no fade,moister damage,backglass damage and
>rusted connections.These machines were designed to operate in a ARCADE
>that doesn't have the ideal envirement.

Maybe he wants clean, fresh air to breathe. That's the purpose of an
ERV. I doubt the machines care.
 
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"Grim" <grim0380@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Guys before we get to carried away with this air stuff what is an
> arcade? a glorified garage nothing more or less.The Pins if maitained
> on a regular basis suffered no fade,moister damage,backglass damage and
> rusted connections.

So you're saying that pins with faded cabs are that way because they weren't
properly maintained? And backglass damage and rust are also due to poor
maintenance? Tell me how to maintain a pin without controlling the
environment so I won't need to worry about these issues, please.

>These machines were designed to operate in a ARCADE
> that doesn't have the ideal envirement.

The reason air quality is important in a gameroom is because:

* Changes in temp (and possibly humidity) will cause the paint to flake on
backglasses. The fact that a game may have a backglass that isn't flaking
isn't a testament to it's having survived a humid environment or swings in
temperature. It's one of the lucky few. Why screw it up now?

* Humidity will cause parts such as ramp flaps, bold heads, and internal
mechanicals to rust. Just because a game may not have rusted out yet,
plenty of them are. If you control the humidity, you'll stop the rust.
It's a big issue for me because I live at the beach and I've had lots of
parts rust, even on machines inside my house.

In short, the better you can control the environment, the longer the
machines will last.

Randy
 
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A-men brother.... An arcade is like a museum compared to a smokey bar room
or a pizza shop. These things have been built to withstand drunks, bullies
and an occasional jealous wife. They've been beaten, kicked and abused.
I'm pretty sure less than perfect air quality is the LEAST of the pinballs
worries!!!

Have a good day,

Jim



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"Grim" <grim0380@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Guys before we get to carried away with this air stuff what is an
> arcade? a glorified garage nothing more or less.The Pins if maitained
> on a regular basis suffered no fade,moister damage,backglass damage and
> rusted connections.These machines were designed to operate in a ARCADE
> that doesn't have the ideal envirement.
>
 
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>I want to breath fresh air.

Stay away from the beer and Pizza like he suggested.

Kirb
 
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For how many years?

5 year life cycle on the machines? Maybe less?

Good air quality, especially temperature and humidity control, can only
extend the life of these machines. It also does wonders for other things
like household structures, trim, furniture, and other wood based products.

Otto

CARGPB11

My web page: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-Ottoslanding

"Grim" <grim0380@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>These machines were designed to operate in a ARCADE
> that doesn't have the ideal envirement.
 
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The most common mistake I see in finished basements is the lack of
return air ducts. I've seen a few finished projects that just tapped
the center trunk line with a pair of ceiling mounted covers.

You really need air-turnover and properly sized supply and returns to
have comfortable conditions. If you've got proper air movement and
you're running A/C then you'll have the humidity control you need.
You'll also have better temperature distribution and stability during
the winter months when you're running the furnace.

De-humidifiers and air purifiers are okay- but I've always considered
them patches for underlying problems. I'd run them in a heartbeat if
needed- for economic reasons, renting, ect, but if I was starting with
a clean sheet of paper, then I'd design the right HVAC system from the
start.

Mike Doyle
 
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I want to breath fresh air. This post has nothing to do with fresh air
effecting machines.


"xlr8" <xlr8@enter.net> wrote in message
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> A-men brother.... An arcade is like a museum compared to a smokey bar
room
> or a pizza shop. These things have been built to withstand drunks,
bullies
> and an occasional jealous wife. They've been beaten, kicked and abused.
> I'm pretty sure less than perfect air quality is the LEAST of the pinballs
> worries!!!
>
> Have a good day,
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> .
> "Grim" <grim0380@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:1120719346.793505.211330@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > Guys before we get to carried away with this air stuff what is an
> > arcade? a glorified garage nothing more or less.The Pins if maitained
> > on a regular basis suffered no fade,moister damage,backglass damage and
> > rusted connections.These machines were designed to operate in a ARCADE
> > that doesn't have the ideal envirement.
> >
>
>
 
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