Battle Of The Boutique Behemoths: iBuyPower Vs. Maingear PC

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johnsmithvag

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What a stupid and pointless article. Thanks again for wasting my time. Really, i mean, if i wanted to see an add i'd just look slightly to the right.
 

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Bravo for the editor's note on page 9. I'm downright excited to see CNET and Tom's Hardware giving attention to keeping system builders honest when it comes to system reviews. In addition, I do think that in the end, most consumers value a problem free process and fast, reliable support even more than they value a few percentage points performance gain (Or am I off base here? Please comment!).

Yet that aspect of system builders is missed by the current review process. I'd love to see even more about the ordering and support process, but you're right that would require a "secret shopper" method.

I can't speak for all boutique builders, but I bet you would find many of us extremely receptive to any ideas you may have on how we can help mitigate the costs of a secret shopper program in a way that preserves the fairness and anonymity of the review process.

Jon Bach
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http://www.pugetsystems.com
 

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[citation][nom]sepuko[/nom]Why do the systems have different video driver packages? You call that a fair comparison ?[/citation]

That's the way they shipped them, so it's the ONLY way to run a fair comparison: NO MODIFICATIONS.

Also notice that the system with the newest drivers lost. We tried ripping out the newer drivers and putting in the older ones: a few benchmarks lost around 0.1-1.0 FPS with the "matching" drivers, but it really wasn't worth the time to finish retesting since it only made the worst-performing system perform slightly worse than it had when it first lost. An increased loss of less than 1% (average) is still a loss and the difference isn't noteworthy.
 

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They're ugly systems, as usual.

If they are going to put in premium parts, why do they buy ugly cases to stick them in? When are PC makers going to put more attention into more attractive cases?

$4,000 for an ugly brick. Whatever.
 

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I like seeing a silverstone chassis in there. Nice to know they ain't just tossing all the nice stuff into an average garbage bin from antec or something (like we cost concious people do).
 

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[citation][nom]Crashman[/nom]Who buys a $4k system to game at 1920? The 2560 results are there.[/citation]

1920 x 1080 or 1200 is "the buzz" resolution for eye candy + fps so yeah ppl who buy a 4k pc do game at 1920 since paying 1000$ for a 30" screen doesn't give a better gaming experience then 22" or 24" screens with 120Hz and fast response times.
 

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[citation][nom]Crashman[/nom]Who buys a $4k system to game at 1920? The 2560 results are there.[/citation]
Then why even include any other results then 2560 x 1600? One of the systems can be for 2.5k if you build your own. I'd much prefer to spend 1k on a 4 monitor 1920x1200 setup.

So including a resolution I very obviously wouldn't use (1024x768), isn't all that helpful.
 

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[citation][nom]neiroatopelcc[/nom]I like seeing a silverstone chassis in there. Nice to know they ain't just tossing all the nice stuff into an average garbage bin from antec or something (like we cost concious people do).[/citation]

Actually, The TJ10 is one of the best-looking cases out there, though Lian Li has some attractive alternatives.
 

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[citation][nom]neiroatopelcc[/nom]I like seeing a silverstone chassis in there. Nice to know they ain't just tossing all the nice stuff into an average garbage bin from antec or something (like we cost concious people do).[/citation]
The Antec P180 and P182 are the best looking cases I have ever seen. Cold-rolled steel, and none of those extra ancillary frills.
 

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[citation][nom]Tindytim[/nom]The Antec P180 and P182 are the best looking cases I have ever seen. Cold-rolled steel, and none of those extra ancillary frills.[/citation]

The problem is that black paint and stick-on dressing doesn't look as good as black anodized aluminum. Well, that's not the only problem, since the P180 and P182 have a fake sports-car-spoiler on the back, use plastic front panels and are heavy. I'd expect to see an Antec case in a $2000 system perhaps, but it doesn't live up to the luxury standards I like to see in a $4k+ PC.
 

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[citation][nom]jonbach[/nom]Bravo for the editor's note on page 9. I'm downright excited to see CNET and Tom's Hardware giving attention to keeping system builders honest when it comes to system reviews...[/citation]

Aye. I know a few people who've been suckered into a certain builder who seems to not make good machines except for review sites/mags. The problem with the "sunday best", is that while this kind of QC failure may be common in everyday shipments, it won't happen to the retailers, which is why I'd never trust an article on a pre-built system unless it was a blind shopper/secret shopper type thing.

My first thought is look at something like resellerratings, or a similar site, but don't just look at the ratings, read the reviews. A company doesn't just get a better rating for having a better product, but also less discerning customers.

Ex. Company A sold computers. They had delayed ship times by 3 weeks+ (5 stars), System wouldn't boot properly (4 stars), and pieces of the computer (memory, CPU, HDD) rattling around the floor of the chasis because they weren't properly connected (3 stars). They had many cases of all these.

Company B also sold computers. They had delayed ship time (3 stars) and that was about it. They averaged between one and two stars below company A, even though the problems weren't nearly as severe.


So, really, do your research, see what you can find from customer feedback in the cases where they don't use blind shoppers.
 
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[citation][nom]hustler539[/nom]Wheres 1920 x 1200?Who buys a $4k+ system to game at 1024 x 768?[/citation]
Agree, 1920 is missing, but 1024 is there to show cpu bound bottlenecks!
 

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[citation][nom]moricon[/nom]Agree, 1920 is missing, but 1024 is there to show cpu bound bottlenecks![/citation]
Why wouldn't 1680x1050 work just aswell? I mean, these are both Core i7 systems.
 

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What a joke.

Over 4K and both dont have discrete audio? Not that integrated audio is bad or anything but for over 4k Id expect a kick ass audio card.

Also wtf with home premium?

These builders need to realize that they should give a little more value for the money.
 

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[citation][nom]Crashman[/nom]Actually, The TJ10 is one of the best-looking cases out there, though Lian Li has some attractive alternatives.[/citation]
My best friend has a 07 in silver, and I've rather come to like that one too. It's a bit of a tough job getting all the cables to fit in that one though. Especially since he's got 9 harddrives in it.

[citation][nom]Tindytim[/nom]The Antec P180 and P182 are the best looking cases I have ever seen. Cold-rolled steel, and none of those extra ancillary frills.[/citation]
Well I don't know, but I don't much like them. To me they look as if they're some kind of aircondition or something. And while I haven't tried to mount anything in either of these two chassis, I've done serveral different antec models, and what they all have in common is disappointing build quality. They look fine at a distance, but they're just not really good up close. They're better than those you can get for free, but only just. I like the piano black paint on the sonata 3 though, but again that's a rubbish chassis to work with - and piano black means fingerprints everywhere.
 

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imho ibuypower pwned the other company I've never heard of. Both options are still both rip-offs. I'd rather build my own i7 with like 1k and a signle gtx 260. Save on everything, monitor, graphics card, cooling. I know I'm very weird, I used to play CS:S at 10fraps and I thought it was pretty smooth. So basically, sli/crossfire is a waste of money lol

Feel free to flame me with your obsessions with sli and crossfire :)
 

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[citation][nom]neiroatopelcc[/nom]Well I don't know, but I don't much like them. To me they look as if they're some kind of aircondition or something. And while I haven't tried to mount anything in either of these two chassis, I've done serveral different antec models, and what they all have in common is disappointing build quality. They look fine at a distance, but they're just not really good up close. They're better than those you can get for free, but only just. I like the piano black paint on the sonata 3 though, but again that's a rubbish chassis to work with - and piano black means fingerprints everywhere.[/citation]
I'm not saying it's a good case, but I like the more utilitarian aesthetic. To many cases these days remind me of the shoes children would wear. Lots of chaotic designs, clear plastic, and bright lights.
 
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