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How the heck can you be so stupid to make a benchmark test for cpus at a non cpu-intense environment?! All the intel cpus get the same result, because the bottle neck is the graphics card?! Hard to figure out?! What about a map like caspian boarder with 64 players?! That is when you'll need raw cpu power! This game isn't about singel player anyways. This is how a benchmark suppose to look like! http://www.sweclockers.com/artikel/14650-prestandaanalys-battlefield-3/5#pagehead
The only thing I missed in the sweclockers benchmarks is the i3. Would've like to see how it performs. 2 cores with HT against the i5 without HT.
The only thing I missed in the sweclockers benchmarks is the i3. Would've like to see how it performs. 2 cores with HT against the i5 without HT.
Hey guys, I need suggestions.
The guy doing the article is constantly hinting that anything below 60fps is unplayable. Is this true? I don't have much experience with FPS, let alone multiplayer FPS. My only FPS game worth mentioning is Battlefield: Bad Company 2, and I played in on a 1024x768 monitor with a GeForce GT 240 DDR5 1GB.
I've been meaning to upgrade my monitor to a 23" Full HD (1920x1080 native resolution). And that only means that my current graphic card has to be retired the moment I get a hold of my new panel.
I'm running a mini-ITX rig, with Intel Core i3-2100, inside an Apex Mi-001 case, which only support single slot cards. The PSU from the case is WEAK SAUCE 280W generic. And the only SFX PSU I could find on the market is Seasonic SS-300SFD, which is a 300W 80+ Certified PSU (I live in Indonesia, SFX is not popular here).
My concern is that the Seasonic PSU only has 2 Molex cables with no PCI-E connectors. So, the best card I could get with said PSU is a HD6850 (which uses 1 PCI-E connector and use 2xMolex-to-1x6pin adapter). On side note, is there a better card than 6850 that only uses 1x6pin?
So, my options are below:
■Get a 6850, although the card's dual slot is too big for my case and that means I have to mod the case.
Cost $170 for GPU + $35 for PSU + ~$50 case mods = ~$255
■Get an XFX 5750. It's single slot and only use 1xPCIE connector. The BEST single slot card available in Indonesia, there's no 5770 single slot for sale. Seems perfect. But I'm afraid is to weak to play at native 1920x1080 res. Or is it?
Cost $105 for GPU + $35 for PSU = $140
■Get a 5850, it's currently on sale for $165, or GTX 560 (non Ti) for $200 and take the risk of running the card with 2xMolex. And mod the case.
Cost $165/$200 for GPU + $35 for PSU + $50 case mods = $250/$285
■GET A NEW CASE. SilverStone Sugo SG05-450 which comes with a really good SilverStone (OEM: FSP) 450W SFX PSU and supports dual height cards, so no case mods here. And get either 5850 or GTX 560 (Non-Ti).
Cost $120 for the Case + either $165 or $200 for the GPU = $320/$365
■Stick with the old case, but get an ATX 550W PSU and MOD THE HELL OUT OF THE CASE. And get either 5850/560.
Cost $165/200 for GPU + $70 for modular ATX PSU + ~$50 case mods = ~$285/$320.
Please bear in mind that the purpose is to play BF3 at 1080p with decent fps (is 30fps minimum enough, or must I try for 60fps?) on Medium/High Settings, preferably on High with AS LITTLE MONEY AS POSSIBLE. The thing is, I'm not made of money. Just regular flesh and bones. And maybe a little fat here and there.
I intend to keep my setup for at least 1 year after I made the GPU purchase, so it also has to be able to handle ANYTHING that's gonna come out in 2012.
What do you think I should do?
PS. Sorry for the winding post, English is not my first language and writing is not my strong suit.
The guy doing the article is constantly hinting that anything below 60fps is unplayable. Is this true? I don't have much experience with FPS, let alone multiplayer FPS. My only FPS game worth mentioning is Battlefield: Bad Company 2, and I played in on a 1024x768 monitor with a GeForce GT 240 DDR5 1GB.
I've been meaning to upgrade my monitor to a 23" Full HD (1920x1080 native resolution). And that only means that my current graphic card has to be retired the moment I get a hold of my new panel.
I'm running a mini-ITX rig, with Intel Core i3-2100, inside an Apex Mi-001 case, which only support single slot cards. The PSU from the case is WEAK SAUCE 280W generic. And the only SFX PSU I could find on the market is Seasonic SS-300SFD, which is a 300W 80+ Certified PSU (I live in Indonesia, SFX is not popular here).
My concern is that the Seasonic PSU only has 2 Molex cables with no PCI-E connectors. So, the best card I could get with said PSU is a HD6850 (which uses 1 PCI-E connector and use 2xMolex-to-1x6pin adapter). On side note, is there a better card than 6850 that only uses 1x6pin?
So, my options are below:
■Get a 6850, although the card's dual slot is too big for my case and that means I have to mod the case.
Cost $170 for GPU + $35 for PSU + ~$50 case mods = ~$255
■Get an XFX 5750. It's single slot and only use 1xPCIE connector. The BEST single slot card available in Indonesia, there's no 5770 single slot for sale. Seems perfect. But I'm afraid is to weak to play at native 1920x1080 res. Or is it?
Cost $105 for GPU + $35 for PSU = $140
■Get a 5850, it's currently on sale for $165, or GTX 560 (non Ti) for $200 and take the risk of running the card with 2xMolex. And mod the case.
Cost $165/$200 for GPU + $35 for PSU + $50 case mods = $250/$285
■GET A NEW CASE. SilverStone Sugo SG05-450 which comes with a really good SilverStone (OEM: FSP) 450W SFX PSU and supports dual height cards, so no case mods here. And get either 5850 or GTX 560 (Non-Ti).
Cost $120 for the Case + either $165 or $200 for the GPU = $320/$365
■Stick with the old case, but get an ATX 550W PSU and MOD THE HELL OUT OF THE CASE. And get either 5850/560.
Cost $165/200 for GPU + $70 for modular ATX PSU + ~$50 case mods = ~$285/$320.
Please bear in mind that the purpose is to play BF3 at 1080p with decent fps (is 30fps minimum enough, or must I try for 60fps?) on Medium/High Settings, preferably on High with AS LITTLE MONEY AS POSSIBLE. The thing is, I'm not made of money. Just regular flesh and bones. And maybe a little fat here and there.
I intend to keep my setup for at least 1 year after I made the GPU purchase, so it also has to be able to handle ANYTHING that's gonna come out in 2012.
What do you think I should do?
PS. Sorry for the winding post, English is not my first language and writing is not my strong suit.
You might get by with medium settings on single player, but with those cards you are talking about multiplayer will be not be obtainable. I have a set of crossfired 5870's and play on medium for multiplayer to get smooth game play ensuring that I can be competitive. At high settings in multiplayer your cards will need more than 1gb of video RAM. My set up might have the horsepower but lacks the memory. I do not think that you will be able to accomplish what you posted. Not to mention your power supply even at 450 sounds inadequate for a 5850.
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I play with a GTX460 (pretty similar to the 6850). I'm playing on 1080 with mainly high settings. My frame rates are typically in the mid 30s to low 40s. I don't find this to be an issue and I enjoy playing. I imagine it could be better at the higher rate but I prefer to have the better visuals even if it means I am somewhat slower (although I don't notice any issues. I think it is a matter of taste as well as how competitive you are. Also I know in the US things go on sale from time to time. I bought my GTX 460 for a $120 sale when they were typically selling from 160 o 180
With your CFX 5870's, how is the framerate when playing multiplayer on medium?
Yeah, that's one thing I envy 'bout the US. They have great discounts!
In my country, PC components tends to be 15-20% more expensive, and they don't have discounts because they are all imported. The importers would not want to lose their capital on a discount. The only way I could get cheaper prices is to wait until the production cost of the card drops or if the manufacturer re-releases a card with lower MSRP, like Sapphire's recent 5850 XTREME, which sells for the same price as 6790 and cheaper than 6850.
I have to use vertical sync to stop screen tearing but if I go to high settings I get long pauses and stuttering. This is not the case with single player so I think it could be that I'm running an AMD phenom II X4 965 Black Edition at stock clocks. I still get mild pauses in single player but very playable. I read an article in German that showed high settings on caspien border at 1920x1080 uses over 1gig of video memory. This is most likely what causes my pausing as my 5870's are the 1024 mb versions.
I have an questions.
I have 2x Sapphire Radeon HD 6570 2gb DDR3 and I need to know:
-Could I play on it BF3 with medium/high settings and FPS over 30?
-and, is it better to sell it and buy Sapphire HD 6850/ HD 6950 but it's going to costs me much much more or just stay with what I've got
I want to admit that I have only 5gb ram and I have aa choise to buy more or better g card
I have 2x Sapphire Radeon HD 6570 2gb DDR3 and I need to know:
-Could I play on it BF3 with medium/high settings and FPS over 30?
-and, is it better to sell it and buy Sapphire HD 6850/ HD 6950 but it's going to costs me much much more or just stay with what I've got
I want to admit that I have only 5gb ram and I have aa choise to buy more or better g card
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Finally got the game: GTX 560 Ti running full Ultra @ 1080p w/ 22-40 fps... not bad for a single $250 card, huh? And that's with the old driver... 
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[citation][nom]Yuka[/nom]Great article as usual, Mr Chris!Could you update the SLI charts with 2xGTX560ti's when you can get them, pretty please? 8)Also, since 2x6990's can max out BF and don't seem to be GPU bottlenecking it, could you make some CPU measurement for the game? You know, the usual Ghz per core scaling you always do 8)That would be awesome.Cheers![/citation]
Ur 570 is 1280mb or 2560mb of VRAM
Ur 570 is 1280mb or 2560mb of VRAM
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hey, does anyone know what settings Chris had the AMD crossfire cards running at? were they on ultra or high? All that is listed is the resolution.
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oh shoot, sorry, just saw it. my mistake. it's on high quality. so then, does the AMD's (relatively) poor handling of MSAA on ultra settings translate to a crossfire setup?
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[citation][nom]Reaver192[/nom]No but my crossfired 5870's are only playable at medium settings 1920x1080. I'm not sure if its my processor slowing me down or a crossfire issue. I have an AMD 965 Black Edition at stock speeds.[/citation]
sounds like a crossfire issue, as that processor is fine.
sounds like a crossfire issue, as that processor is fine.
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[citation][nom]Reaver192[/nom]I can play a mix of ultra and high on single player but multiplayer is only playable on medium. There is an article in German showing that processor becomes far now important in multiplayer especially with 64 players.[/citation]
Try overclocking it a bit and see if you see any noticeable gains.
Try overclocking it a bit and see if you see any noticeable gains.
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