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The video presentation made it look like it was actually working now. I question that video, I wonder if the win 11 seen on their screens wasn't just a clever movie made to appear to be functional. Insiders doesn't have amazon store part yet that was all over video.

So wanting it now based on cut scenes.... nah, that doesn't happen with games or anything... Cyberpunk says hello. Hype does this to people.

Obviously there were going to be malware installers that pretend to be the thing everyone wants... that is also nothing new. Especially since compiling the build using UUP files is hard, it can take a few tries to get the files (from what I have been told) so a 1 hit installer that does it easy is just too tempting.

And some people just don't want an MSA... I don't know why. Can't move licence if its not on MSA. can't get insiders either. So these installers get them

People always want the easy way, its how 3rd party driver installers seem to be multiplying. They aren't getting any better though. Just a way to make money and sell people things they don't need - some companies seem to specialise in it.
 
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I got Win 11 through UUP. There's really not a lot to it, it downloads and compiles everything for you, pretty impressive bit of kit. I've been playing with it for a few days now, I have to say I'm pretty impressed with how stable it is, and I haven't had any compatibility issues; drivers, graphical, or otherwise. I'm no expert but I would venture to say that it's basically Win 10 with a few extra features and a GUI improvement.
 
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i already blocked one persons attempt to link an iso into here so its a real thing.

Only 2 ways to get it and neither are just one step. Don't trust ISO unless you know the source is real.

Lycogala said:
I'm no expert but I would venture to say that it's basically Win 10 with a few extra features and a GUI improvement.
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So far that is all we see but they might pull a rabbit out of hat in next 3 months and add other reasons anyone would want to buy it - I will accept it as a free upgrade though. If its just as good as 10 is/was then there is nothing to lose by taking it.
 
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NightHawkRMX said:
One more reason to stay on windows 10
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it is now but once its released there will be more legal ISO out there than fakes... at least in real shops anyway. Getting what you want for free is always a risk now.

That and when it goes live its just an update through windows, no need for the ISO from some shady site. MS will have it on their website for the world to share.
 
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USAFRet said:
What is possible today, on a beta evaluation version, may not be the same as it on upon actual release.
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She says "your PC won’t even allow itself to download the upgrade if it doesn’t meet Microsoft’s standards". HA! Who says that's how we're going to get the upgrade? Unless they build in a mechanism where W11 checks your hardware on a daily basis or every time W11 tries to update itself, I won't be worrying.

Besides, I have one compliant build so I did everything I'm supposed to do: TPM and Secure Boot enabled in BIOS, check; HYPER-V and MS Defender Application Guard added to Windows Features, check; Application Guard Companion installed from Windows store, check; Application Guard Extension installed from Google store, check. Core Isolation turned ON in Device Security Settings, check. Whoopi do! Now every time I start Chrome I've got 3 green checkmarks and it says I'm protected. BIG you know what DEAL! Seriously, MS has made a huge mess out of this whole requirement thing. Next year at this time we'll be reading how MS is lamenting that the majority of users are still using W10 and W7 and it will take years before the W11 percentage is higher than the others.
 
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dwd999 said:
She says "your PC won’t even allow itself to download the upgrade if it doesn’t meet Microsoft’s standards". HA! Who says that's how we're going to get the upgrade? Unless they build in a mechanism where W11 checks your hardware on a daily basis or every time W11 tries to update itself, I won't be worrying.
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Exactly as I said...What happens and is possible today, with the beta eval version, may not be the same as what is possible after actual release.
 
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dwd999 said:
Unless they build in a mechanism where W11 checks your hardware on a daily basis or every time W11 tries to update itself, I won't be worrying.
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its possible they can change the boot process so that it does check PC is running in Secure boot, on GPT hardware, and has an active TPM. TPM can be used for logon purposes so you might not be able to logon without it.

MS aren't blind, they would be well aware of the ways people are getting around the requirements now and I don't think they be so easy to bypass in future. really depends how much they care about strengthening security.

Speculation, we don't know yet.
 
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Betas used to be a final product that was just used to flush out bugs that might not have been caught. Releasing a preview with missing features and UI design is a pre-alpha at best.
 
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revodo said:
Betas used to be a final product that was just used to flush out bugs that might not have been caught. Releasing a preview with missing features and UI design is a pre-alpha at best.
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IDK, back in ancient times when I was a beta tester for WordPerfect 5 beta testing began before they had really completed design of the printing functions for postscript and a lot of the printer drivers that were required in yee olden DOS days. Similar with DrawPerfect is anyone remembers that.
 
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dwd999 said:
IDK, back in ancient times when I was a beta tester for WordPerfect 5 beta testing began before they had really completed design of the printing functions for postscript and a lot of the printer drivers that were required in yee olden DOS days. Similar with DrawPerfect is anyone remembers that.
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Ah, a fellow dinosaur. How has Jurassic Park been treating you?

I remember those days, but to be fair, the highlight of computer innovation was the 90's and early 2000's. There was a lot of stagnation in the 80's and early 90's. Or rather, there was a lot of experimental tech that was never widely adopted.
 
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revodo said:
I remember those days, but to be fair, the highlight of computer innovation was the 90's and early 2000's. There was a lot of stagnation in the 80's and early 90's. Or rather, there was a lot of experimental tech that was never widely adopted.
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Perhaps the primary benefit of Windows taking over the market, especially Windows 95, was that it eliminated the need for developers to create their own display, printer and other interface drivers for the myriad of devices that flooded the market. That freed developers to focus on their programs' functionality. And obviously the popularity of the internet that took off around 1996 was a quantum leap forward. But then things haven't improved much since then as Windows 11 demonstrates.
 
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Its about money. Microsoft must know there is only a finite number of people who will buy or upgrade to Win 10 so there would come a time no one needs to buy it. So making win 11 is enough to get people to look at them again and maybe upgrade. Microsoft aren't a charity, they might offer win 11 as a free upgrade but they still need to sell copies.

Win 11 isn't that much different to win 10 now but it will have enough little changes by then to get enough people to go mad wanting it now. You can use win 11 and not even notice its not 10... I am now.
 
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dwd999 said:
Perhaps the primary benefit of Windows taking over the market, especially Windows 95, was that it eliminated the need for developers to create their own display, printer and other interface drivers for the myriad of devices that flooded the market. That freed developers to focus on their programs' functionality. And obviously the popularity of the internet that took off around 1996 was a quantum leap forward. But then things haven't improved much since then as Windows 11 demonstrates.
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Very true. What made Microsoft into a massive tech company is exactly what is strangling them now, they made it too open. Too many legacy drivers and support systems. Apple did away with that with OS X, and honestly did some amazing innovation over the next 10 years, but the death of Steve Jobs really destroyed their creativity. I took Big Sur for a spin the other day and my jaw was on the floor. Plain, solid variations of white and grey. Basically the reboot of iOS 7. They've destroyed everything that made them unique. Both Microsoft and Apple are still doing fine, financially right now, but that's likely to change in the next decade or so.
 
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