Behind the Tech: Sandy Bridge Recall, An Insider's Story

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Well that's why you shouldn't talk to strangers. :)
 

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Sandybridge performance is just too beastly for this to affect it long term, most people who have just come into the cpu market to upgrade didn't even realize there was a recall in the past and just got a b3 p67 and i5-2500k without any hesitation
 

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i didn't see any problem for sales, people just bought core i-7 9XX's
AMD could crow all they wanted, they didn't have a new product going to the shelf capable of beating the previous i-series. now had AMD released llano during this, they would have made a pre-emeptive death knell strike against sandybridge, but they didn't so it didn't matter what happened until AMD does.
 

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oh and also the problem could have been more easily rectified by intel giving out coupons for sata3 devices priced to match sata2 devices and pull it off as a promo that would have sold them millions more in profits.
as for the people who already bought a 'free' sata 2 device to sata3 replacement device coupon would have been cheaper also.
Intel just blew a huge marketing opprotunity to grind AMD under the imperial capitalist yankee boot.
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All I can say after reading this is that Intel did a great job with this issue.

But it somehow still brings me back to how AMD is still spending money on a product we haven't even seen benchmarks about yet.

Somebody who uses an OEM machine somewhere around the world MUST have released a benchmark of Llano or BD at some point in time.
 

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I had to replace my motherboard because of this fiasco. I did have episodes of the screen freezing on MMORPGs until I switched all my drives onto the 6Gb connectors.

I was very apprehensive about the switch but the new board performs flawlessly and one or two issues have disappeared maybe from updated drivers. I do wonder if the B3 stepping has one or two other small changes as I had to update the audio drivers for the sound on what seemed an identical board to work.
 

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Intel made the right move, to my mind the worst mistake a business can make is to sell/make bad/buggy products. Even worse is to not admit you have a troubled product if you know you have one.

I may be a bit strange but i stopped buying products from Seagate, Nvidia, IBM and Creative buggy products. Reason for not buying Seagate and Nvidia was a problem Seagate harddrives had with Nvidia chipset(s), neither Nvidia nor Seagate seemed very interested in fixing the issue or own up to the fact that there was one, so i droped them on my hardware shortlist. IBM was the click of death thing on harddrives. And bad drivers made me stop buying Creative. I may consider Nvidia gpu's if a suitable one comes along, but my trust in the company is hurt and may never be restored.
 

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I'm sure not everyone will agree with me, but I think that AMD might be going down the right path with their APU's. I think that CPU's are getting to the point now that even low-end ones can handle just about everything, except for high-end gaming, rendering, etc. But the real demand now is in the graphics arena, since providing a reasonable integrated graphics solution would fix a much more serious bottleneck than the CPU bottleneck.

I'm using a several-year-old CPU that does everything I want it to just fine. But the integrated graphics are abysmal. If I could change a single component, it would certainly be the graphics, the underpowered CPU still works just fine.
 
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In my opinion whilst Intel has done everything right in regard to what they've done post-recall (and it's a recall, when products get shipped back to manufacturer it's a recall, 'stop-shipment' is a lie told to investors), the fact is they announced the product when they knew there was a problem with the chipset.

Indeed they launched it a few days earlier than expected just to piss on the AMD Zacate launch.

They played with fire, and it's cost them a lot of money. But they're such a large company with so many fans willing to pay over the top for their 60%+ margin products that it's acceptable behaviour for them to dick with their customers and their OEMs like this.

Do you seriously think there aren't employees with decision making power in these OEM companies who have lost their holiday, gone through a lot of stress, etc, that won't remember this and exact revenge at some point in the future. I'm sure these people's holidays were refunded, and inconvenience payments made, but it doesn't really make up for the fact that in a busy year a major holiday was taken from them.
 

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[citation][nom]cadder[/nom]This is a study on WHEN the problem occurred, but what nobody is saying is WHEN will the fixed products be available for purchase?[/citation]

Last week? Newegg has them since last week and I bought a P67 sabertooth on tigerdirect 2 weeks ago...
 

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cadder: I believe they have already fixed all of the problems. When this recall was taking place Newegg barred all purchases of SB MB and CPUs. Now you can buy them again. Also when the problem was reported Toms said the problem would be fixed by April.
 

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Regardless of price, AMD can only go so far by selling processors that match the performance of Intel's previous generation.
Very, very wrong. Price is more than enough of a reason for me to buy AMD. I'm a budget gamer. Processors I buy never exceed $100. $200 on a video card is a lot for me. SSD? Ha! Yeah right.
Intel needs to figure out that it's not about creating the most powerful processor out there... it's about making them affordable.
I'll run AMD until Intel makes processors with a better power/price ratio, and until AM3 is no longer a viable platform (or another event that forces me to buy a new motherboard)
 
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It would be awesome if we could get the B1s at ultra low prices, I can just use the SATA 6.0GB/s connectors and a SATA card if I need more!
 
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