Behold, The Return Of The Model F And Its Buckling Spring

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clutchc

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I need a little help here...
Why would one pay $325-$399 for it? I know I'm not in the loop when it comes to enthusiast KBs, but my IBM model M has more keys that that. And looks better. Please fill this uninformed dummy in on the error in my thinking.
 

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Put a cup holder in the middle and I'm sold.
 

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If I could figure out how to get my PS/2 Model M keyboards to work with Windows 10 I would be very happy. I loved the feel of those keyboards and still have 2 in good shape. The problem is that they won't work in Windows 10 from a cold boot. They work in the BIOS and after a warm reboot, just not in a cold boot.
 

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You'd need to have the kb driver load at boot from cmos, otherwise it has to wait til it loads with windows. A cold boot releases any stored drivers, a warm boot doesn't, they stay in the ram. You'd need a custom cmos file, not for the uninitiated or faint of heart to say the least.
 

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That's odd. My Model M works in Win10 just fine. Does your board have a PS/2 port or are you using a USB adapter?
 

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http://www.pckeyboard.com/
Model Ms, right here! USB or PS2, I have a PS1 from about 10 years ago. I'll admit, when I see an article or news post about keyboards, I just skip it, I know what I like and won't be looking elsewhere.
 

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Thanks for the link. I wonder if those $36 boards are any good? What they lack from the better ones?
 

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I am using the PS/2 port on an ASUS motherboard. The keyboard works fine in the BIOS screen even from a cold boot but will not work in Windows unless I do a warm reboot. I tried a USB adapter with the same results. The only thing I can think of is that the keyboard doesn't respond quick enough when booting for some reason.
 

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Are you using Windows 10’s Fast Startup, by any chance?
I noticed you said keyboard"s" plural. Are they all they same, and do any of them work at the initial boot?
 

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I have two keyboards from 1996 and neither works with a cold boot. I will mess around with fast startup to see if maybe having it save the drivers on shutdown will enable them when I boot back up.
 

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Looking at the link, it appears to just be the green key caps. No keyboard included.
 

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Lol... (laughing at self)
You appear to be right. I didn't take the time to read the description. So much finding a $36 model M... Thanks for saving me an embarrassing order.
 

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Nothing new here, I've been using a Unicomp Classic 104-key buckling spring keyboard for years, I have two of them. Nothing beats the noisy, tactile feel of the buckling spring!
https://www.pckeyboard.com/
 

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You lost me at $325. It looks like a $3.25 keyboard at a yard sale, not $325, wtf. Did they forget to add the decimal point somewhere?
 

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This is stupid, plain and simple. It doesn't even has F-Keys... nor any of the other keys that we are accustomed to for decades.
 

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I'm confused when did they dust off all of the keyboards from the 80's? I did not know 1980 style key boards were making a come back. It is a good thing I kept my old old FUJITSU Mechanical Keyboard. I used to use it in the early 90's it was very click friendly but not as clicky as the IBM M series. I guess I was using mechanical keyboards way before they made a come back now. I remember it being very heavy as well since it had a full metal frame and bottom it cots a fair amount as well if bought brand new. I used to get most of my computer stuff from swap meets so I think I paid like $10 CAD for it brand new they sold for $150.
 

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I've never been able to figure out why people wouldn't use a well built mechanical. Their lifespans are so much longer, they pay for themselves over having to replace a cheap keyboard every couple of years, cause the most important keys wear out. Plus you get the awesome function of the keyboard to boot.
 

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Man that thing makes my hands hurt just looking at it.
 

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Why? I got one about 17 years ago and adjusted to it in about 1 day. The keys are arranged to match the natural range of motion of your fingers, and the wells & thumb-keypads are separated and angled to keep your wrists mostly parallel.

The only negative is that it's taller than a normal keyboard, meaning that you might need to use a keyboard tray. If your desk is fixed-height, perhaps you should be using one anyhow.

Edit: I guess the other negative is the price. But, considering this is a thread about a similarly-priced keyboard with far fewer benefits, I didn't think to mention it.
 

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I've never been a big fan of ergonomic keyboards to begin with, but that one just looks like it's way out there.
 

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While some are garbage (or even counter-productive for reducing RSI injuries), I'm a believer in the strain-reduction and efficiency improvements of this one.


I consider that a selling point.
: )

They sell models with custom top-plates, which they say are interchangeable with the standard top-plates:

https://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/advantage2-graphite/
https://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/advantage2-signature-series/
 
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