News Benchmarked: Do Windows 11’s Security Features Really Hobble Gaming Performance?

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No security measure will ever be 100% effective as long as people are stupid enough to tell a random stranger their password just because they've got a TV camera pointed at them.
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Nolonar said:
No security measure will ever be 100% effective as long as people are stupid enough to tell a random stranger their password just because they've got a TV camera pointed at them.
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End user security measures are rendered useless when there's a big corporate security breach, like what happened with Outlook earlier this year, or bugs are discovered which break the secure container.
 
So, unsure if the performance loss directly related to those process using more memory or just processes running that I haven't spotted yet.
The same machine, installed 11 on it this morning and I am seeing just at 1.5GB more RAM usage.
I am going to try and look at the running processes to see if something stands out, but will be a dis-similar machine so it won't be exact by any means.

With that said I am seeing lower frame rates in a couple of titles. I pretty much lost all the compatibility gains in Cyberpunk that came of the last couple of updates. Some games I can't tell anything, if much.
I have not come across any driver that needed to be changed as a result of updating to 11 from a fully updated 10. Seems like more of the change is localized to the UI than the operational end aside from the aforementioned additional RAM use.
 
Alvar "Miles" Udell said:
End user security measures are rendered useless when there's a big corporate security breach, like what happened with Outlook earlier this year, or bugs are discovered which break the secure container.
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You will never have truly bug-free software, because software is written by humans, and humans make mistakes. So in the end, the human is still at the center of all security flaws.

But that's beside the point. Fact is, you can try and make something more secure, but it'll never be 100% secure.
 
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I feel MS messed up big time with Windows 11 in my opinion. At a time when hardware prices are high or in short supply, forcing some restrictions that will render some systems incompatible is a downright dumb move. For those fortunate enough to try out Win 11, you get boatloads of issues identified earlier in beta testing that are unresolved, and also performance regression. To me, the performance regression should become less of an issue over time with systems constantly getting more powerful. However, as some reviewers have mentioned, loss in gaming performance to the tune of over 20% is nothing to sneeze at, and can take 2 or more generation of CPU improvements to claw back. I suspect those draconian security features are adding a significant CPU overhead, which kills performance mostly for CPU intensive games. For an OS that rose to fame with gaming being one of the reasons, this is a few steps backward.
 
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I would like to enable this on a per-application basis. Firefox/Chrome/Edge? Sure.

A game that just came out? I might actually be tempted to put the virtualization barrier around it. It might help shield the system from weird crap that some companies install as DRM. A game that has been out for a while and verified to be safe? Turn it off
 
I'm still using W7 64bit for 99% of what I do; work or gaming. I catgorically loathe W10 with a passion; I can only imagine how much more USSR Windows 11 is. This has nothing to do with performance for me; it's about being able to decision make without Microsoft constantly trying to subvert me with what they want my PC to be like.
 
watzupken said:
I feel MS messed up big time with Windows 11 in my opinion. At a time when hardware prices are high or in short supply, forcing some restrictions that will render some systems incompatible is... (Snip)
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.... irrelevant. A simple registry change will allow Windows 11 to (upgrade) install onto a computer. Done. MS WANT people to have Windows 11. They also have to improve security. Damned if they do, damned if... .
 
A Stoner said:
Why do the test on your absolute best processors? That is certain to show the least impact. Where these features will cause the most harm is on lesser hardware where your performance starts off marginal and the impact hit will be more severe.
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Agree with you there. Showing a cross section of CPU's with different core counts would be good to see for comparison, and if the low-mid range CPU's are effected as much or more.
 
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Have you also considered testing AMD Radeon cards e.g., the 6900 XT or the 6800XT to see if the performance issues affect all win11 systems regardless of installed graphics card? I’m wondering if the nvidia driver (and not the Radeon driver) is slower in win 11 + security features enabled ?
 
loki1945 said:
I'm still using W7 64bit for 99% of what I do; work or gaming. I catgorically loathe W10 with a passion; I can only imagine how much more USSR Windows 11 is. This has nothing to do with performance for me; it's about being able to decision make without Microsoft constantly trying to subvert me with what they want my PC to be like.
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I agree without a doubt. Microsoft's actions of late have been specifically tied to pinning everything you do, and who you are to specific machines. "No no no, you can no longer create an account without a microsoft ID which registers everything you do on our servers....because we say so and we don't have to tell you why this is necessary." Every 3 days I get reminded to sign up for a Microsoft account on my local std priv accounts. These TPM requirements are about using your machines unique ID's to pin down everything you do with a specific serial number. (Not that this capability didn't exist before. CPU serial numbers have been present for over a decade.)

I'm about to make the hop to Mint Linux. Steam/Valve is getting pretty good about getting games to work on Linux lately.
 
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Seriously Microsoft, how hard is it to ask a simple question on install? Is this machine for gaming, browsing, business or everything? If it's for gaming, shut off all the junk that has been added since Windows XP that has dropped gaming performance with each successive version of Windows. Business, security up the wazoo, etc.
 
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Seriously Microsoft, how hard is it to ask a simple question on install? Is this machine for gaming, browsing, business or everything? If it's for gaming, shut off all the junk that has been added since Windows XP that has dropped gaming performance with each successive version of Windows. Business, security up the wazoo, etc.
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Why bother stopping there? Just build up from MS-DOS. You're not going to get better performance than having direct access to the hardware resources.
 
hotaru.hino said:
Why bother stopping there? Just build up from MS-DOS. You're not going to get better performance than having direct access to the hardware resources.
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There are benefits to using an abstraction layer for drivers and APIs, I'm not arguing that. However, for gaming rigs things like notification service, news, print spooler, VBS, weather, etc. aren't needed, yet more and more of these services that have zero benefits to a game rig are running sucking up resources in the background.
 
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