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Take a note AMD ....we want it ....the 560ti is killing you at the mid-range area ...just go for it ..even as a special edition limited quantity one ...
 
[citation][nom]esrever[/nom]Anyone else notice that the 7970 and the 680 are trading blows? And it seems that they are pretty even?[/citation]

That is because Don didn't do the benchmarks this time. These two guys should do the benchmarking from now on.
 
The only reason i can think of, is because they doesn't have enough of this defective chip......

No way they will cripple a healthy 7850 chip, to make 7830........
 
I'm right at that point where I need to build a new gaming rig, and will be doing so (hopefully) within the next 12 months. This is exactly my target price/performance range. I know I'm not the only one in this situation, and if AMD neglects this demographic while nVidia releases a card at this level then AMD will be losing out on a huge chunk of the market share. I simply can't afford to pump $250+ into a GPU when my goal is for the PC to cost $800-1000 (and I want good overall performance as well). It is completely up to nVidia and AMD who gets my money at this point.
 
Since everyone's pretty much said enough about the "7830", and i agree with all the positiveness, i won't add anything else.

What i will say is something i hadn't ever noticed before: The 560 and 560 Ti are at par? What 560 have you guys used? Is it OC'd?

Also, +1 to the 680-7970 effective tie.
 
Looks like a good GTX 560/Ti contender. However, AMD must keep in mind that NVidia can probably release a 660/Ti at moment's notice to counter this with better efficiency and performance.
 
[citation][nom]rdc85[/nom]The only reason i can think of, is because they doesn't have enough of this defective chip......No way they will cripple a healthy 7850 chip, to make 7830........[/citation]

At least not while the 7850's are selling well and they dont have a stock pile of those chips. Later on if the 7850's sales lag, they make too many, or if there is a large demand in the segment, they may very well re-badge some of them as 7830's and go from there. It looks like theres obviously a market for the card, but it may not be worth the money and time to introduce this variant, at least not yet.
 
If AMD did this, it might well be a real kick-in-the-teeth to NVIDIA, but it'll also take attention away from the real 7850. Still, I'd buy one to replace my aging 4830 (which it reminds me of all too well).
 
[citation][nom]artk2219[/nom]At least not while the 7850's are selling well and they dont have a stock pile of those chips. Later on if the 7850's sales lag, they make too many, or if there is a large demand in the segment, they may very well re-badge some of them as 7830's and go from there. It looks like theres obviously a market for the card, but it may not be worth the money and time to introduce this variant, at least not yet.[/citation]

I was automatically thinking of a 7850SE, however AMD have pretty much long since abandoned any SE moniker cards and are more likely to bring out a 7830 (NVIDIA are far more likely - the 460 and 560 series plus the all-too-alarming-GT640s). Any 7840 or 7860 that appears would be an OEM card if past history is anything to go by.
 
Name it the 7830, sell it for $190, and you've got a winner. It would be a good replacement for the 6800 series cards. Once AMD accumulates a lot of chips that won't make it as 7850s it would make sense to sell such a card.
 
Yep, but I think they don't want to make a 200$ card because the 7800 are overpriced (due to lack of competence) so when the new nvidia line comes up, they will be able to put the 7870 at ~270$ and the 7850 at ~190$. that's what I think...
 
That would be a great card! I almost upgraded from a 460SE to a 560Ti, but performance couldn't justify it. Now, it's getting a little old, and it looks like the 660ti or whatever is going to be a while. I'll take an imaginary 2GB 768 card please!
 
[citation][nom]ojas[/nom]What i will say is something i hadn't ever noticed before: The 560 and 560 Ti are at par?[/citation]

this is exactly why i chose a regular 560 over the ti version when microcenter was offering it for $150 w/free arkam city last year...
 
[citation][nom]Slomo4shO[/nom]Wouldn't 2 7750s in crossfire perform better than this rig and also consume less power at the ~$200 price point?[/citation]

Two low end cards almost always are more energy efficient and cheaper than a single higher end card. For example, two 6770 2GBs in CF are almost identical to a single 6970 in performance, but they use a good deal less power and are cheaper. 6770s are also cool because there are dual CF dongle versions that support triple and quad CF :)
 
[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]A "7830" with 1GB of VRAM priced to compete with the 6870 or 6930 (if you have that in your country, the USA doesn't) ... Also, 7830 is the best name for this, at least in my opinion. All that would need to be done is bringing down the power usage a little (need is a strong word for this, that it is lower than the 7850 is still a great improvement over the 5830 and 6790 fiascoes). [/citation]

Well, the relation of this card to the 7850 is similar to the relation between the 6850 and the 6790: A cut-down version of the pricier card that uses almost the same amount of power. AMD hasn't done an xx30 model in quite a while. So I'm comfortable calling it a 7790.

But this is all hypothetical anyway. We can call it an HD 7824 if we want.
 
AMD: "Our partners at nVidia would would like it if we left a slot at $200 open for them."
I bet they call it the HD7970M. But I always like reviews of midrange cards after flagships released. The numbers always seem to change a bit.
 
[citation][nom]bwcbwc[/nom]Well, the relation of this card to the 7850 is similar to the relation between the 6850 and the 6790: A cut-down version of the pricier card that uses almost the same amount of power. AMD hasn't done an xx30 model in quite a while. So I'm comfortable calling it a 7790.But this is all hypothetical anyway. We can call it an HD 7824 if we want.[/citation]

AMD did the 5830 right before the 6790. Is just one generation prior too long?

I'd rather call it a 78 something rather than a 77 something because that implies that it is more similar to the other 7800 cards than it is to the 7700 cards (which is true). 7830 came up because that was the usual moniker for these cards (5830, 4830, 3830) and the 6790 was the odd one out.
 
This card would be magic if it sold for 150-180 at 1.5 gigs of vram.

CF that would yield a monster in BF3 maxx AA. As a single slot, in CF the space would let you keep things cool. I see more 800-1000k builds than any other type. Given the costs of hard drives that tends to mean a i5/z77 w/ a gtx 560ti/480/570 or a 7850.

too bad it was not out this last December...I'd have bought 3.
 
[citation][nom]loops[/nom]This card would be magic if it sold for 150-180 at 1.5 gigs of vram.CF that would yield a monster in BF3 maxx AA. As a single slot, in CF the space would let you keep things cool. I see more 800-1000k builds than any other type. Given the costs of hard drives that tends to mean a i5/z77 w/ a gtx 560ti/480/570 or a 7850. too bad it was not out this last December...I'd have bought 3.[/citation]

It has a 256 bit bus. AMD doesn't seem to yet have the ability to have memory capacities that aren't in line with the bit widths like Nvidia does on their GTX 460 192 bit 1GB cards, so AMD is stuck with either 1GB or 2GB as their only reasonable choices.
 
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