[SOLVED] BEST 750W-850W PSU For Gaming

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Corsair is better than MSI. But above of them all, is Seasonic PRIME TX-750 or TX-850 (known earlier as PRIME Titanium or PRIME Ultra Titanium),

MSI review: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/msi-mpg-a750gf-power-supply-review
Corsair review: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-rm850x-2021-power-supply-review
Seasonic review: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/seasonic-prime-850w-titanium-psu,4761.html

(I have two PRIME TX-650 units in use myself, Skylake and Haswell builds. Full specs with pics in my sig.)
 
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Corsair is better than MSI. But above of them all, is Seasonic PRIME TX-750 or TX-850 (known earlier as PRIME Titanium or PRIME Ultra Titanium),

MSI review: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/msi-mpg-a750gf-power-supply-review
Corsair review: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-rm850x-2021-power-supply-review
Seasonic review: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/seasonic-prime-850w-titanium-psu,4761.html

(I have two PRIME TX-650 units in use myself, Skylake and Haswell builds. Full specs with pics in my sig.)
 
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The Seasonic Prime don't do well with RTX3xxx cards IIRC. The don't handle the transient spikes very well.

To the OP. What system do you intend to run on the PSU. Knowing this is key,

Without doubt the RMX is better. The MSI is pretty decent too.
 

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The don't handle the transient spikes very well.
Over-provisioning with wattage fixes that.

Seasonic PRIME based units experience shutdowns with RTX3080/3090 (and possibly RX6900 XT) GPUs, especially ones with unlocked power limit like FE and ASUS Strix. It is recommended, if going with such units, to overprovision wattage, 1kW for RTX3080 and 1.2kW for RTX3090, or power-limit the GPU, or performing a 'dirty' fix of disconnecting a pin of 12V V-sense wire from PSU-side connector of 24-pin motherboard cable (courtesy of Jonny Guru). Units based on post-2018 revisions of Seasonic Focus platform and majority of units by other OEMs are not affected.
To the OP. What system do you intend to run on the PSU. Knowing this is key,
This is great question, since if OP is looking towards RTX 40-series, then far beefier PSU is needed.
 
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Corsair is better than MSI. But above of them all, is Seasonic PRIME TX-750 or TX-850 (known earlier as PRIME Titanium or PRIME Ultra Titanium),

MSI review: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/msi-mpg-a750gf-power-supply-review
Corsair review: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-rm850x-2021-power-supply-review
Seasonic review: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/seasonic-prime-850w-titanium-psu,4761.html

(I have two PRIME TX-650 units in use myself, Skylake and Haswell builds. Full specs with pics in my sig.)
i have a question ,

can you suggest a cpu cooler for the i5 13600K without going crazy in price no OC will be made

for System it's i5 13600K non OC
RTX 3060Ti maybe later Upgrade

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I think both PSU's would be suitable for your build. I'd take the RMX though.
Yes i will take the cheapest one available , since they are the same ,

by the way for the i5 13600K i don't know any good cpu cooler to cool that cpu, do you know some good ones ? without going crazy in price of course

i will not Overclock CPU
 

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4090, it will be some overprovisioning. advise is 1.2kw to be safe. Yikes!! :rolleyes:
For RTX 4090, i'd use 1600W unit instead.

can you suggest a cpu cooler for the i5 13600K without going crazy in price no OC will be made
I'd go with Arctic Freezer 50 (a new challenger to the king, NH-D15),
specs: https://www.arctic.de/en/Freezer-50/ACFRE00065A
review: https://hardwarecanucks.com/cooling-power/arctic-freezer-50-review/
amazon: https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Freezer-Compatible-RGB-Pressure-Optimised/dp/B08HZ6PC1Q

Note: Freezer 50 is 166mm tall.

RTX 3060Ti maybe later Upgrade
650W unit would do, but 850W gives better GPU upgrade options. Up to RTX 3080/3080 Ti/3070 and perhaps upcoming RTX 4070 as well. Any better GPU = beefier PSU. E.g RTX 4090 needs 1200W PSU, preferably one with ATX 3.0 standard. 1500/1600W PSU would be preferred. And RTX 4080/3090/3090 Ti needs 1000W PSU.
 

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For RTX 4090, i'd use 1600W unit instead.



I'd go with Arctic Freezer 50 (a new challenger to the king, NH-D15),
specs: https://www.arctic.de/en/Freezer-50/ACFRE00065A
review: https://hardwarecanucks.com/cooling-power/arctic-freezer-50-review/
amazon: https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Freezer-Compatible-RGB-Pressure-Optimised/dp/B08HZ6PC1Q

Note: Freezer 50 is 166mm tall.



650W unit would do, but 850W gives better GPU upgrade options. Up to RTX 3080/3080 Ti/3070 and perhaps upcoming RTX 4070 as well. Any better GPU = beefier PSU. E.g RTX 4090 needs 1200W PSU, preferably one with ATX 3.0 standard. 1500/1600W PSU would be preferred. And RTX 4080/3090/3090 Ti needs 1000W PSU.
But that cooler is air Cooler , will air cooler Handle the i5 13600K ?? i have seen people with water cooling and having high temps ??
by the way it will not fit in the z690 Tomhawk mobo
 

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i have seen people with water cooling and having high temps ??
What makes you think that AIO is better than air cooler? :unsure:
You do realize that in the end, both are still cooled by ambient air, right?

I'm not fond of AIOs. Here's why:

For equal cooling performance between AIOs and air coolers, rad needs to be 240mm or 280mm. Smaller rads: 120mm and 140mm are almost always outperformed by mid-sized air coolers. Single slot rads are good in mini-ITX builds where you don't have enough CPU cooler clearance to install mid-sized CPU air cooler.

Here are the positive sides of both (air and AIO) CPU cooling methods;

Pros of air coolers:
less cost
less maintenance
less noise
far longer longevity
no leakage risks
doesn't take up case fan slots
additional cooling for the RAM
CPU cools down faster after heavy heat output

Pros of AIOs:
no RAM clearance issues*
no CPU clearance issues
CPU takes longer time to heat up during heavy heat output (about 30 mins)
* on some cases, top mounted rad can give RAM clearance issues

While how the CPU cooler looks inside the PC depends on a person. Some people prefer to see small AIO pump in the middle of their MoBo with tubing going to the rad while others prefer to see big heatsink with fans in the middle of their MoBo.

Main difference between AIO and air cooler is that with AIO, you'll get more noise at a higher cost while cooling performance remains the same.
Here's also one good article for you to read where king of air coolers (Noctua NH-D15) was put against 5x high-end AIOs, including former king of AIOs (NZXT x61 Kraken),
link: http://www.relaxedtech.com/reviews/noctua/nh-d15-versus-closed-loop-liquid-coolers/1

Personally, i'd go with air coolers every day of the week. With same cooling performance, the pros of air coolers outweigh the pros of AIOs considerably. While, for me, the 3 main pros would be:
1. Less noise.
Since i like my PC to be quiet, i can't stand the loud noise AIO makes. Also, when air gets trapped inside the AIO (some AIOs are more prone to this than others), there's additional noise coming from inside the pump.
2. Longevity.
Cheaper AIOs usually last 2-3 years and high-end ones 4-5 years before you need to replace it. While with air coolers, their life expectancy is basically unlimited. Only thing that can go bad on an air cooler is the fan on it. If the fan dies, your CPU still has cooling in form of a big heatsink. Also, new 120mm or 140mm fan doesn't cost much and it's easy to replace one. While with AIOs, the main thing that usually goes bad is the pump itself. And when that happens, your CPU has no cooling whatsoever. Since you can't replace pump on an AIO, you need to buy whole new AIO to replace the old one out.
3. No leakage risks.
Since there's liquid circling inside the AIO, there is always a risk that your AIO can leak. While it's rare, it has happened. It's well known fact that liquids and electronics don't mix.

Edit:
The Freezer 50 review i linked, was tested on i9-10980XE, which is 165W CPU. Your i5-13600K is 125-181W CPU. So, quite comparable to the 10th gen used in review.

by the way it will not fit in the z690 Tomhawk mobo
And this is written where? :unsure:
 
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What makes you think that AIO is better than air cooler? :unsure:
You do realize that in the end, both are still cooled by ambient air, right?

I'm not fond of AIOs. Here's why:

For equal cooling performance between AIOs and air coolers, rad needs to be 240mm or 280mm. Smaller rads: 120mm and 140mm are almost always outperformed by mid-sized air coolers. Single slot rads are good in mini-ITX builds where you don't have enough CPU cooler clearance to install mid-sized CPU air cooler.

Here are the positive sides of both (air and AIO) CPU cooling methods;

Pros of air coolers:
less cost
less maintenance
less noise
far longer longevity
no leakage risks
doesn't take up case fan slots
additional cooling for the RAM
CPU cools down faster after heavy heat output

Pros of AIOs:
no RAM clearance issues*
no CPU clearance issues
CPU takes longer time to heat up during heavy heat output (about 30 mins)
* on some cases, top mounted rad can give RAM clearance issues

While how the CPU cooler looks inside the PC depends on a person. Some people prefer to see small AIO pump in the middle of their MoBo with tubing going to the rad while others prefer to see big heatsink with fans in the middle of their MoBo.

Main difference between AIO and air cooler is that with AIO, you'll get more noise at a higher cost while cooling performance remains the same.
Here's also one good article for you to read where king of air coolers (Noctua NH-D15) was put against 5x high-end AIOs, including former king of AIOs (NZXT x61 Kraken),
link: http://www.relaxedtech.com/reviews/noctua/nh-d15-versus-closed-loop-liquid-coolers/1

Personally, i'd go with air coolers every day of the week. With same cooling performance, the pros of air coolers outweigh the pros of AIOs considerably. While, for me, the 3 main pros would be:
1. Less noise.
Since i like my PC to be quiet, i can't stand the loud noise AIO makes. Also, when air gets trapped inside the AIO (some AIOs are more prone to this than others), there's additional noise coming from inside the pump.
2. Longevity.
Cheaper AIOs usually last 2-3 years and high-end ones 4-5 years before you need to replace it. While with air coolers, their life expectancy is basically unlimited. Only thing that can go bad on an air cooler is the fan on it. If the fan dies, your CPU still has cooling in form of a big heatsink. Also, new 120mm or 140mm fan doesn't cost much and it's easy to replace one. While with AIOs, the main thing that usually goes bad is the pump itself. And when that happens, your CPU has no cooling whatsoever. Since you can't replace pump on an AIO, you need to buy whole new AIO to replace the old one out.
3. No leakage risks.
Since there's liquid circling inside the AIO, there is always a risk that your AIO can leak. While it's rare, it has happened. It's well known fact that liquids and electronics don't mix.

Edit:
The Freezer 50 review i linked, was tested on i9-10980XE, which is 165W CPU. Your i5-13600K is 125-181W CPU. So, quite comparable to the 10th gen used in review.



And this is written where? :unsure:
i didn't say that water cool is better than air , i never had one , i was only dealing with Air all that time , that's why i am asking

the one you have mentioned is not gonna fit in the Z690 Tomhawk Mobo ,

Do you have any other suggestions
 

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Can you tell me how, or link the source that tells you this? Since i'd like to know what interferes with MoBo, so i can include that into my search, before another suggestion.
Yep it's an amazon comment , in the same link you did sent to me , a person did buy and reported that it didn't fit in z690 mobo
 

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LGA 1700 upgrade kit, or artic will send you one for free with proof of you owning a 1700 socket.
Freezer 50 comes with LGA1700 bracket. Check the specs i linked.

Yep it's an amazon comment , in the same link you did sent to me , a person did buy and reported that it didn't fit in z690 mobo
Fine.
How about Noctua NH-D15S chromax.black then?
specs: https://noctua.at/en/nh-d15s-chromax-black
compatibility checked by Noctua: https://ncc.noctua.at/motherboards/model/MSI-MAG-Z690-TOMAHAWK-WIFI-5364
review: https://www.funkykit.com/reviews/cooling/noctua-nh-d15s-chromax-black-cpu-cooler-review/
amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NH-D15S-chromax-Black-Premium-Dual-Tower/dp/B08HM1T6RL
 

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the problem is the noise , if that wasn't an issue i would be very happy to take an air cooler , i have checked a video the noise is rising to almost 50DB which is crazy

i have checked that CPU Cooler before you reply to me , Noctua NH-D15S chromax.black
it's amazing and i loved it too but when i have checked the noise i was like oh no unfortunate
 

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Freezer 50 comes with LGA1700 bracket. Check the specs i linked.
I don't need to check you do this is what is stated.
*Unfortunately, we cannot ensure that only compatible products are available for you to purchase on the open market. For this reason, we are supplying the required mounting kit free of charge to customers who submit proof of purchase of a processor with LGA1700 socket. Alternatively, you can purchase the mounting kit under the product designation "ARCTIC Intel LGA1700 Upgrade Kit - For Freezer 50".
 

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the problem is the noise , if that wasn't an issue i would be very happy to take an air cooler , i have checked a video the noise is rising to almost 50DB which is crazy
Care to link that video?

Since Noctua NH-D15S chromax.black has one 140mm fan on it, which at max RPM of 1500, produces 24.6 dB(A). So, from where comes the double of the noise you're talking about? :unsure:

Found one video review, where sound is tested. And i barely was able to hear the fan at max RPM. At 6:47 in this video:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc6FJZUpqbI

That review video got 31 dB(A) out of the CPU cooler. With open case. With all other fans stopped.
 

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Care to link that video?

Since Noctua NH-D15S chromax.black has one 140mm fan on it, which at max RPM of 1500, produces 24.6 dB(A). So, from where comes the double of the noise you're talking about? :unsure:

Found one video review, where sound is tested. And i barely was able to hear the fan at max RPM. At 6:47 in this video:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc6FJZUpqbI

That review video got 31 dB(A) out of the CPU cooler. With open case. With all other fans stopped.
Here is the Video :

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryo7tKFLIN0
 

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Here is the Video :
:LOL:

That video shows NH-D15 chromax.black. What i suggested, was NH-D15S chromax.black. So, two different coolers.
(Diff is that NH-D15 chromax.black has 2x 140mm fans, NH-D15S has 1x 140mm fan.)

That, and also the fact that at 0:50 ;
Note that these graphs are created by using machine learning models to help break down the performance using over million data points and an open case.
So, the bloke didn't actually test how NH-D15 chromax.black fared. :non: Instead he used the machine learning software to "predict" what the outcome could be. <- I call that BS. :vomi:

Especially since when Noctua says that their fan, at 100%, produces 24.6 dB(A), and the "prediction" shows the same fan, at 100%, predictably producing 43 dB(A). Which one do you believe? Noctua, the fan manufacturer or that random bloke and his "prediction"? :unsure:

You got played.
 
There are so many "FAKED" Youtube videos it is criminal.
So many people come here wanting to know why their computer does not perform like the video they post. Or like yours, a guy posting reviews without proper equipment to actually do a review.
The 2 guys already helping you are very qualified and respected members of this community.
They would never post false information, or give bad advice.
So take their advice and forget about what you saw in a "video" .
 

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:LOL:

That video shows NH-D15 chromax.black. What i suggested, was NH-D15S chromax.black. So, two different coolers.
(Diff is that NH-D15 chromax.black has 2x 140mm fans, NH-D15S has 1x 140mm fan.)

That, and also the fact that at 0:50 ;


So, the bloke didn't actually test how NH-D15 chromax.black fared. :non: Instead he used the machine learning software to "predict" what the outcome could be. <- I call that BS. :vomi:

Especially since when Noctua says that their fan, at 100%, produces 24.6 dB(A), and the "prediction" shows the same fan, at 100%, predictably producing 43 dB(A). Which one do you believe? Noctua, the fan manufacturer or that random bloke and his "prediction"? :unsure:

You got played.
:LOL:

That video shows NH-D15 chromax.black. What i suggested, was NH-D15S chromax.black. So, two different coolers.
(Diff is that NH-D15 chromax.black has 2x 140mm fans, NH-D15S has 1x 140mm fan.)

That, and also the fact that at 0:50 ;


So, the bloke didn't actually test how NH-D15 chromax.black fared. :non: Instead he used the machine learning software to "predict" what the outcome could be. <- I call that BS. :vomi:

Especially since when Noctua says that their fan, at 100%, produces 24.6 dB(A), and the "prediction" shows the same fan, at 100%, predictably producing 43 dB(A). Which one do you believe? Noctua, the fan manufacturer or that random bloke and his "prediction"? :unsure:

You got played.
oh i didn't pay attention to that ,
ANyway , what is the best Noctua Cooler , It Looks Good

1) Noctua NH-D15S chromax.Black
2) Noctua NH-D15 chromax.Black

what is the better One here ?

or what is the best one overall
 

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