best budget upgrade from a Core i5-2500

[Mooncake]

the Core i5-2500 non k is bottlenecking my system (getting awfull frames in games even though i have a 970.) i've been looking at all kinds of procesors, but can't find one that's cheep and can run the newest games on 60+ fps. what would be the best cpu for my case? I have a small budget.

 

[clutchc]

I suspect there is something else at play. The i5-2500 Sandy Bridge should not bottleneck the GTX 970. Is the CPU not letting the GPU hit 100% usage?
But to answer your question, it will depend on the motherboard you have. That determines the CPU support.

 

[Mooncake]

I suspect there is something else at play. The i5-2500 Sandy Bridge should not bottleneck the GTX 970. Is the CPU not letting the GPU hit 100% usage?
But to answer your question, it will depend on the motherboard you have. That determines the CPU support.

ok bad choice of words becouse i ment to say that the 2500 cant run the games fast enough for my liking

 

[clutchc]

I suspect there is something else at play. The i5-2500 Sandy Bridge should not bottleneck the GTX 970. Is the CPU not letting the GPU hit 100% usage?
But to answer your question, it will depend on the motherboard you have. That determines the CPU support.

ok bad choice of words becouse i ment to say that the 2500 cant run the games fast enough for my liking

Again... need to know the make/model of the board.

 

[Mooncake]

I suspect there is something else at play. The i5-2500 Sandy Bridge should not bottleneck the GTX 970. Is the CPU not letting the GPU hit 100% usage?
But to answer your question, it will depend on the motherboard you have. That determines the CPU support.

ok bad choice of words becouse i ment to say that the 2500 cant run the games fast enough for my liking

Again... need to know the make/model of the board.

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/H61MF/ this is the one i have rn

 

[clutchc]

Here's the CPU support list for the H61M-F: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/H61MF/HelpDesk_CPU/
It supports Ivy Bridge CPUs. That's a gen faster than your Sandy Bridge. So any i7-3xxx CPU should be an upgrade. The i5-3xxx CPUs will only be about a 10% bump. None of them are cheap. They are all obsolete now and demand a pretty good price used.

 

[Mooncake]

Here's the CPU support list for the H61M-F: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/H61MF/HelpDesk_CPU/
It supports Ivy Bridge CPUs. That's a gen faster than your Sandy Bridge. So any i7-3xxx CPU should be an upgrade. The i5-3xxx CPUs will only be about a 10% bump. None of them are cheap. They are all obsolete now and demand a pretty good price used.

i wasthinking of upgrading my mobo with the cpu due to the Sandy Bridge cpus being outdated is the i3 6100 good?

 

[clutchc]

Here's the CPU support list for the H61M-F: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/H61MF/HelpDesk_CPU/
It supports Ivy Bridge CPUs. That's a gen faster than your Sandy Bridge. So any i7-3xxx CPU should be an upgrade. The i5-3xxx CPUs will only be about a 10% bump. None of them are cheap. They are all obsolete now and demand a pretty good price used.

i wasthinking of upgrading my mobo with the cpu due to the Sandy Bridge cpus being outdated is the i3 6100 good?

If you can make the move to a new platform, all the better. I doubt though, that you will see any noticeable improvement simply going from a quad core SB i5 to a Skylake dual core i3.

If your framerate with the i5-2500 and GTX 970 isn't to your liking, try a faster gfx card. That will have more influence on framerates than a nearly sidways move from a i5-2500 to a i5 or i7-4xxx. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html
The recommendation in this article is at least a 3 tier move to see a noticeable improvement. As you can tell from the chart, the i5-2500 is still a 2nd tier CPU.

I still don't understand how the combo you have now could be limiting your playing experience. What do you game at, 1080p? 60 Hz monitor?

 

[Mooncake]

Here's the CPU support list for the H61M-F: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/H61MF/HelpDesk_CPU/
It supports Ivy Bridge CPUs. That's a gen faster than your Sandy Bridge. So any i7-3xxx CPU should be an upgrade. The i5-3xxx CPUs will only be about a 10% bump. None of them are cheap. They are all obsolete now and demand a pretty good price used.

i wasthinking of upgrading my mobo with the cpu due to the Sandy Bridge cpus being outdated is the i3 6100 good?

If you can make the move to a new platform, all the better. I doubt though, that you will see any noticeable improvement simply going from a quad core SB i5 to a Skylake dual core i3.

If your framerate with the i5-2500 and GTX 970 isn't to your liking, try a faster gfx card. That will have more influence on framerates than a nearly sidways move from a i5-2500 to a i5 or i7-4xxx. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html
The recommendation in this article is at least a 3 tier move to see a noticeable improvement. As you can tell from the chart, the i5-2500 is still a 2nd tier CPU.

I still don't understand how the combo you have now could be limiting your playing experience. What do you game at, 1080p? 60 Hz monitor?

most games suffer from low fps. i get about 20-25 in arma 3. 45 max in heroes and generals and max a 150 in games like csgo. im starting to think someting else might be at play though.

 

[clutchc]

I presume you don't have a bunch of crap running at Win boot up. Check your startup tab in system config.

Might want to get the latest virus signatures from your virus pgm and run a FULL scan. Then check for resource-wasting malware with Malwarebytes. https://www.malwarebytes.com/

Finally run CCleaner and do the Clean and Registry portions both. Might be major software conflicts or registry errors slowing things down. https://www.piriform.com/ccleaner

If your gfx driver is at fault, maybe re-install the latest driver anew.

Does this slowdown happen in single player too, or just when online on a busy server?

 

[Mooncake]

I presume you don't have a bunch of crap running at Win boot up. Check your startup tab in system config.

Might want to get the latest virus signatures from your virus pgm and run a FULL scan. Then check for resource-wasting malware with Malwarebytes. https://www.malwarebytes.com/

Finally run CCleaner and do the Clean and Registry portions both. Might be major software conflicts or registry errors slowing things down. https://www.piriform.com/ccleaner

If your gfx driver is at fault, maybe re-install the latest driver anew.

Does this slowdown happen in single player too, or just when online on a busy server?

Strongly doubt it's malvre aswell I disable everything before playing games. I have 2 thoughs in mind about what could be making the lag happen though. My Mobo says it does not support the CPU that's in now and a BIOS update Will help with that (didn't know about BIOS updates before) and half of the ram I'm using is old so that might be slowing things down

 

[clutchc]

Why do you doubt the problem is malware or virus?

 

[Mooncake]

Why do you doubt the problem is malware or virus?

i have checked all the programs that run in the background and it does not seem like it, and 99.99% of my downloads are from legit websites. i never pirate etc..

 

[clutchc]

Why do you doubt the problem is malware or virus?

i have checked all the programs that run in the background and it does not seem like it, and 99.99% of my downloads are from legit websites. i never pirate etc..

OK, as long as you're confident. But that is no guarantee. The best of sites can be hacked. If it were me, Id still run a virus and malware scan. But suit yourself.

 

[Ecky]

Honestly sounds to me like you want a faster CPU. Many on here act as though there's nothing faster than a 2nd gen i5, but plenty of games show improvement on newer and faster chips.

The i3 6100 would be faster in Arma due to its higher single threaded performance but would be a side-grade in other cases, both have similar multithreaded performance. An i5 6600 would give you about 30% more single- and multi-threaded performance, while a 6700 will give about 30% more multithreaded performance than that. In Arma, where your framerates are 20, you'd probably be up to about 26 (30% higher). In CS:GO, a linear increase would be from ~150 to ~195. I don't really understand what the benefit of more frames would be in that game though, once you're higher than your refresh rate, because any extra frames are just discarded and never seen.

 

[clutchc]

...I don't really understand what the benefit of note frames would be in that game though, once you're higher than your refresh rate, because any extra frames are just discarded and never seen.

I agree with you 100%, but there are folks who SWEAR they get better mouse control, aiming, etc even though their monitor only refreshes the screen image top-to-bottom once every 60th of a second... ignoring all the extra screens the card rendered And you won't convince them otherwise. One guy even linked me to an article (with graphics) purporting to show why that is possible. I read that whole article and still came away unconvinced.

So now I'm playing Doom @ 100-150fps on my 60hz display trying to see if I can tell any difference from using Nvidia's Adaptive V-Sync.

 

[Mooncake]

...I don't really understand what the benefit of note frames would be in that game though, once you're higher than your refresh rate, because any extra frames are just discarded and never seen.

I agree with you 100%, but there are folks who SWEAR they get better mouse control, aiming, etc even though their monitor only refreshes the screen image top-to-bottom once every 60th of a second... ignoring all the extra screens the card rendered And you won't convince them otherwise. One guy even linked me to an article (with graphics) purporting to show why that is possible. I read that whole article and still came away unconvinced.

So now I'm playing Doom @ 100-150fps on my 60hz display trying to see if I can tell any difference from using Nvidia's Adaptive V-Sync.

from personal experiance the more the better. you dont feel the diferance that much, but it still is feelable it is a lot better with 200 instead of 100 fps and so on.

 

[Mooncake]

Honestly sounds to me like you want a faster CPU. Many on here act as though there's nothing faster than a 2nd gen i5, but plenty of games show improvement on newer and faster chips.

The i3 6100 would be faster in Arma due to its higher single threaded performance but would be a side-grade in other cases, both have similar multithreaded performance. An i5 6600 would give you about 30% more single- and multi-threaded performance, while a 6700 will give about 30% more multithreaded performance than that. In Arma, where your framerates are 20, you'd probably be up to about 26 (30% higher). In CS:GO, a linear increase would be from ~150 to ~195. I don't really understand what the benefit of more frames would be in that game though, once you're higher than your refresh rate, because any extra frames are just discarded and never seen.

the wierd thing is i shouldn't be getting as low frames as i am right now should i? like the 970 is still a good card and i really feel like the cpu is the thing thats limiting the system. like for instance in the division it couldn't load the map is as fast as i ran witch resulted is awfull experiance etc..