Build Advice Best Build for 4k gaming @ 60hz?

[RealJohnJohnson]

Hey everybody,

I am looking to upgrade my brother's computer and need help choosing the optimal parts for 4k gaming at ~60fps. He plays mostly on a large television. We live in Canada, so the price for parts is often higher than in the US as well. Here is my current build: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/ccPnfv. If anyone has any suggestions or ways of lowering the cost, then please let me know. We'd like the computer to last well into the future. He'll be reusing storage from his previous build.

Edit: The budget is 2500 CAD$ for everything other than storage.

Thanks!

 

[Why_Me]

You want a roomier case for that card.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/QnD7YJ/fractal-design-pop-air-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-poa1a-02
Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case $116.95

Pop Air

Fractal fuse flair with function in the new Pop series of cases that doesn’t skimp on aesthetics or flexibility. The entire series offers a solid foundation and excellent build quality, giving all users plenty of options and room to maneuver.

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product...atx-lga1700-motherboard-b760-gaming-x-ax-ddr4
Gigabyte B760 GAMING X AX DDR4 $217.98

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-X-AX-DDR4-rev-10

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product...13400f-25-ghz-10-core-processor-bx8071513400f
Intel Core i5-13400F $275.95

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...3400f-processor-20m-cache-up-to-4-60-ghz.html

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/QPkWGX/deepcool-ak400-6647-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ak400-bknnmn-g-1
DeepCool AK400 CPU Cooler $39.99

https://www.deepcool.com/products/C...formance-CPU-Cooler-1700-AM5/2021/15222.shtml

DeepCool AK400 Review

The DeepCool AK400 may be a classic four-heat-pipe tower cooler, but traditional design aside, it is a compelling entry-level option. Its price-to-performance ratio is impressive, and the lack of ARGB lighting doesn't affect its aesthetically pleasing appearance. Drop in a good warranty and low...

www.techpowerup.com

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product...2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-cmk32gx4m2d3600c18
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-3600 32GB (2x16GB) CL18 $104.99

i5 13400 / 13400F gaming benchmarks.

 

[Phaaze88]

We'd like the computer to last well into the future.
4k gaming

What is 'well into the future' in numbers, so everyone has something concrete to go on?

Higher resolutions are going to warrant more frequent gpu upgrades over time - even more so, if one is not willing to make compromises on eye candy.
A 4070Ti on 4K for more than 3 years is likely a stretch, when the smaller L2 cache and lower memory bandwidth than 4080 and 4090 have already proven to be choke points for it at 4K:

ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Ti TUF Review

The ASUS TUF GeForce RTX 4070 Ti is a factory overclocked custom-design variant of NVIDIA's new release. Performance is impressive, the card can beat last generation's RTX 3090 Ti flagship, with almost double the energy efficiency and much lower heat and noise.

www.techpowerup.com

I think you need at least a 4080, and even that card needs some eye candy turned down to achieve 60fps(average) in 4K Ultra Cyberpunk(without DLSS). So if more titles that are hard like this game come out later that catch your brother's attention... 4070Ti isn't going to cut it, long term.

 

[RealJohnJohnson]

What is 'well into the future' in numbers, so everyone has something concrete to go on?

Higher resolutions are going to warrant more frequent gpu upgrades over time - even more so, if one is not willing to make compromises on eye candy.
A 4070Ti on 4K for more than 3 years is likely a stretch, when the smaller L2 cache and lower memory bandwidth than 4080 and 4090 have already proven to be choke points for it at 4K:

ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Ti TUF Review

The ASUS TUF GeForce RTX 4070 Ti is a factory overclocked custom-design variant of NVIDIA's new release. Performance is impressive, the card can beat last generation's RTX 3090 Ti flagship, with almost double the energy efficiency and much lower heat and noise.

www.techpowerup.com

I think you need at least a 4080, and even that card needs some eye candy turned down to achieve 60fps(average) in 4K Ultra Cyberpunk(without DLSS). So if more titles that are hard like this game come out later that catch your brother's attention... 4070Ti isn't going to cut it, long term.

Good question! We'd like the system to produce ~60fps at 4k in modern games for the next 5 years at least. He's willing to lower settings to high. Maybe it is worthwhile to go for the 4080 instead. Either that or the 7900 XTX.

Thanks!

 

[Phaaze88]

Good question! We'd like the system to produce ~60fps at 4k in modern games for the next 5 years at least. He's willing to lower settings to high. Maybe it is worthwhile to go for the 4080 instead. Either that or the 7900 XTX.

Thanks!

Or, ride the 4070Ti for 2-3 years, sell it, and use that difference to buy the next gen xx70Ti or something.
I get that some don't want to go that route for reasons.

 

[Lucky_SLS]

Are you sure the TV is not gonna change in the 5 years? you already have OLED and mini LED tvs with 4k and 120hz in gaming mode, VRR, ALM, ect...

 

[helper800]

A 3090/ti is a good alternative to the 4070 ti because it generally has around the same raw performance but much more VRAM and memory throughput. This would be a better long-term investment for 4k than a 4070 ti in my opinion. You can typically find a 3090/ti for around the same as a new 4070 ti second hand.

 

[geofelt]

You could build as is.

Some thoughts:
Fast action games at 4k are going to be more graphics limited than cpu limited.
I would think that a 13600K would be a good processor.
You could go stronger or weaker; you would get your money's worth either way.

On coolers, in a good case like the Phanteks, a top twin tower cooler like noctua
NH-D15s would cool about as well as a 280 size aio and be cheaper.
https://www.newegg.ca/noctua-nh-d15s/p/N82E16835608072?Item=9SIB7BBJEB8000
AIO coolers do not last forever. In time air intrudes or the mechanical pump fails and the unit needs to be replaced. Think 5 years.
Air will be quieter and cheaper.
For gaming, the heat generation is not nearly as severe as a benchmark or a fully loaded all core app.


To reduce cost, why not go with DDR4 vs. DDR5?
Performance is similar, but DDR4 ram is cheaper as are DDR4 versions of motherboards. Ram might be $104 vs. $170:
https://www.newegg.ca/corsair-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236596?Item=N82E16820236596
A similar motherboard may be $300 vs. $348:
https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16813144572?Item=N82E16813144572

I have no opinion on the particular gpu>
4070ti seems about right.

In the future, your most likely upgrade might be the graphics card.
To that end, I would buy 850w up front.
A psu only uses the power demanded of it, regardless of the max capability.
The Corsair RM850x is only $10 more:
https://www.newegg.ca/corsair-rmx-s...a-850w/p/N82E16817139272?Item=N82E16817139272