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Which is the cheapest but best z370 motherboard which is able to overclock to 5GHz with the i5 8600K? The brands have to be ASUS, Gigabyte or MSI. I have the ASUS Prime z370-A picked out but wanting something cheaper as I have already gone over my budget. I will be playing games like Fortnite, PUGB (Not sure what other games yet).

Edit: Oh I can also get a Asrock motherboard, if that helps
 
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Hmm, for the 32 bucks, i'd get the 240gb version. Yes, brands to make a difference in SSD, as does price. Price will mostly reflect transfer speeds. So cheaper models won't be as fast as ones more expensive. Samsung Evo models are renowned for being class leading, as are others. For the HDD, they are all much of a muchness if you ask me. Any decent bradned 1tb drive 7200rom, and maybe a 32/64mb or more cache will do fine.

To make the decision easy for you I'f put it like this:

Apart from RAM, PSU, Case, OS, Storage - As these things can be used in both systems - you only really have to select 3 things:

1. CPU.
2. Mobo
3. GPU

The 8600k will be better for gaming by about 10% game dependant.
The Ryzen will be better for any...
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Where are you located? how much are you willing to spend and where would you like us to source a board for purchase(preferred site)? On second thoughts, you may want to pass on your entire build's specs to see if you're going in the right direction.
 
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Hey, I am in Australia and I'm using Computer Alliance PC Builder.
Here is my list:

CPU: i5 8600K 3.6GHz
Cooling: Corsair Hydro High Performance Liquid
Motherboard: ASUS Prime z370-A
RAM: 16gb Crucial
SSD: 240gb WD
HDD: 1TB Seagate
Video Card: ASUS GTX1070TI 8GB
Power Supply: 600 watt

Edit: The motherboard I have selected is $269AUD, and I'd prefer anything (z370) cheaper that will overclock to 5GHz and is reliable.

Edit 2: OH and I also want to stream my gaming in the near future to twitch. Is my PC build good enough for it?

Edit 3: My build comes to $2309AUD, my budget was actually $2000AUD (Keep the Australian dollar in mind)
Sorry for all the edits lol
 
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what res monitor are you gonna use?

Regarding gaming/streaming, look at this :https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/game-streaming-encoding-coffee-lake-ryzen,5326.html

Depending on the settings, and what output you want, the 8600k may not be the best choice.

You build is pretty good. Although, depending on the res you could drop down a GPU level. The PSU :600w, is vague. What brand, model? For that system you want something decent, not a generic 600w, junker that isn't rated properly.

Lastly, if you intend to OC, don't be too fixed on getting 5ghz with that chip. It's dependant on a lot of variable and specially the oft quoted 'silicon lottery'. You may do, but just keep in mind not everyone does.

 
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Hey the monitor I am looking at is 75hz and 1080p. I'd like to spend more for a better monitor but I can't afford it🙁

I heard the Ryzen is a lot better for streaming, however I've heard lots of people have troubles with AMD - My mum's fiance who is helping me out with the components also says he doesn't like AMD? He doesn't game but his company works with computers and they prefer Intel. So I was advised to stay with Intel.

I was looking at getting just 1060 for my graphics card, but my Brother-in-law who games (He's no expert though) said I should go with 1070/TI. I want to be wise with my component choices because I want it to be future proof haha. Like I don't want to go for 1060 for example, and then in 12 months time, regret not getting the 1070/ti, you know? Same with the Intel i7 8700k or i5 8600k. There's about $250AUD difference in costs for both the different GPUs and CPUs. I just want the best value I can get - I don't plan on streaming for months though, maybe for a year? I am in school still and I won't have the time to stream, let alone get good enough at gaming to stream. I'm a PS4 gamer so it will take a lot to get used to PC gaming.

I've literally done like 10 hours total of research for ideal components for me and just as I thought it was perfect for me, I am now reconsidering.🙁

The brand of the PSU is Thermaltake.
 
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Something like this comes in at $2157. But it's with a quality PSU, which essential for that build.


Intel S1151 Core i5 8600K 3.6GHz 6 Core CPU PN BX80684I58600K (No Heatsink Included)
Corsair Hydro H60 High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler CW-9060007-WW
MSI S1151 ATX Z370-A PRO DDR4 Motherboard
DDR4 Corsair (2x8GB) CMK16GX4M2A2666C16 2666MHz Vengeance LPX BLACK RAM
250GB Samsung 860 EVO SATA 6Gb/s SSD PN MZ-76E250BW
Seagate 3.5" 7200rpm SATA 6Gb/s BarraCuda HDD PN ST1000DM010
ASUS GTX1070TI 8GB PCIe Video Card TURBO-GTX1070TI-8G
650 Watt Corsair CX650M Modular Power Supply PN CP-9020103-AU

Forgive the format, I couldn't seem to save a list that was easily pasted.

keep in mind, there's no case or OS in that price.
 
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Oh hey I forgot to include that the Windows Operating system ($149AUD) is included in the price I had.

I have tweaked your list to:

CPU: Intel S1151 Core i5 8600K 3.6GHz 6 Core CPU PN BX80684I58600K (No Heatsink Included)
Cooling: Corsair Hydro H60 High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler CW-9060007-WW
Motherboard: MSI S1151 ATX Z370-A PRO DDR4 Motherboard
Desktop Memory: 16GB DDR4 Crucial (1x16GB) CT16G4DFD824A 2400MHz RAM module
SSD: 240GB WD Green SATA 6GB/s SSD Drive PN WDS240G2G0A
HDD: Seagate 3.5" 7200rpm SATA 6Gb/s BarraCuda HDD PN ST1000DM010
GPU: ASUS GTX1070TI 8GB PCIe Video Card TURBO-GTX1070TI-8G
PSU: 600 WATT Thermaltake Smart RGB White Power Supply PN PS-SPR-0600NHSAWA-1

I changed the:
RAM (Because I prefer 1x16GB in case I want to upgrade - It's also a few bucks cheaper haha)
SSD (Because the one I chosen is only 10GB less and is a bit cheaper)
PSU (Because isn't 600 watt enough? And it's also cheaper)

If my change to your list was a bad idea, would you be able to explain why I should pick your chosen RAM,SSD,PSU over what I have picked please? Cheers
 
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this : https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/9cxy4q

comes under budget, but with most of the same parts. Can you order from there.

Your brother in law is right, then 1060 would be sufficent, but game dependatnt not at 75hz. But you can play with settings to fix that. I'd agree though getting a 1070/ti for your current monitor would be a good choice.

I would say that, Ryzen or at least an I7 8700/8700k will be better for high fps gaming/with high output streaming. The 8600k is just lacking a little. Ryzen is a great option. I have a 1600x and it eats anything I throw at it and is a streaming monster. The v2 2600/2700 are also really good options. On the whoever said Ryzen is a bad idea, is simply wrong. It's by far the best value for the buck. For sure Intel with the 8400/8600k/8700k have the best gaming FPS. Apart from the 8700k, (which only a Ryzen 1700x/1800x/2700x can beat on multitasking) For just gaming, the 8600k will rock for another years. It's a good buy. Just slightly expensive.

Also, if your not going to OC, just get an 8400, which is a great gamer too. Save a few bucks and get better ram/PSU or whatever.
 
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Hey sound's kind of ridiculous but I prefer to order all of my parts within the same company so the prices are a bit different.

So you're saying Ryzen 1700x/1800x/2700x will beat i5 8600K for both gaming performance and streaming? I did do research on Ryzen a bit and was going to go for Ryzen 1600x because it's only $250AUD, unlike 8600k which is $350AUD.

So, for a casual gamer like me, who is in school, wanting to play the mainstream shooting games n stuff, who will also be gaming a lot more after about 6 months (when I graduate) which is when I may start streaming (depends when I actually get good at PC gaming haha), will Ryzen be a lot better for me rather than 8600K? I hope this all makes sense, but I am sooo over asking google what my best options are, it took me several hours to conclude that i5 8600K is suited for me, but turns out, maybe not... I hope this makes sense.
 
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Well, with particpicker, you're getting the cheapest prices. They collate all the pieces and send them to you. Its not much different from your original site, only they will charge a margin to earn some extra dollars :)

Yes, for both high gaming FPS AND high quality streaming, more cores/threads wins here. That article i posted above will explain it in fine detail, and with some solid recommendations. So any of 1700x/1800x/2700x/I7 8700k, will be monsters at doing that.

Comparing the 8600k to my 1600x for examplle (this is mostly based on similar price for CPU). The 8600k games like a champ, but include high quality streaming at it just runs out of resources. The extra 6 threads on the R1600x makes up for that, and has nearly flawless video output.

For mainstream CPU's that we're talking about, Intel will always win out on pure FPS. Factor in streaming, multitasking, and high resolution gaming, and it balances out much more.

So for performance per dollar I'd go with Ryzen, and for pure performance I'd go with Intel. I've had both, and have always been happy with my purchases.

With all of that said, I think you're on the right track. I'd be looking at a 1600x or above from AMD, and an 8600k and above from Intel. Depending exactly what you want to achieve, you can tailor the build to give you longevity (but not future proof :) )

Either way, for mainstream gaming, at 1080p 75hz, both an 8400/8600k or a 1600x would be absolutely a perfect match with the 1070ti.

Ryzen will be a cheaper build right now.

Don't worry about over asking anything. That what this community is about. Trying to depart knowledge. I'm still learning all the time, thanks to Tom's forum members, and believe me, I STILL ask lots of questions :)


 
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I have made builds for both Intel i5 8600K and Ryzen 5 1600X. I will post the list below:

CPU: AMD AM4 Ryzen 5 1600X Hex Core 4.0GHz CPU PN YD160XBCAEWOF (No Heatsink included)
Cooling: Thermaltake Contact Silent 12 CPU Cooler PN CL-P039-AL12BL-A
Motherboard: MSI AM4 ATX b350 PC MATE Motherboard
Desktop Memory: 16GB DDR4 Crucial (1x16GB) CT16G4DFD824A 2400MHz RAM module
SSD: 240GB WD Green SATA 6GB/s SSD Drive PN WDS240G2G0A
HDD: Seagate 3.5" 7200rpm SATA 6Gb/s BarraCuda HDD PN ST1000DM010
GPU: ASUS GTX1070TI 8GB PCIe Video Card TURBO-GTX1070TI-8G
PSU: 600 WATT Thermaltake Smart RGB White Power Supply PN PS-SPR-0600NHSAWA-1

How does my list look? I have PC MATE for motherboard because I remember seeing it somewhere that it is recommended. Is this a good option? What do you use, or what does a gamer/streamer use with their 1600X?

Another question: Based on what kind of gamer I am, and with the monitor I plan on purchasing (75hz 1080p), will 1600X suit me perfectly, or should I go to the 1700X? ($100AUD difference)

With my i5 8600K list which was $2222AUD (inc. case and windows OS)
and the Ryzen 5 1600x list is $2057AUD (inc. case and windows OS)
 
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For the build above, i'd go 2 x 8gb kit. Not 1 x 16gb. You rule out dual channel mode straight away, which reduces memory bandwidth. The ripjaws I linked earlier would be perfect.

I have an Asus Prime B350- Plus. I love it. I have a steady OC of 3.9ghz on the CPU, and have my mem Crucial Generic 2400mhz DIMMS running at 2733mhz. It's a dream OC'er. I can only recommend it. It's also compatible (like all first gen Ryzen mobo's) with the newer Ryzen CPU's. So you can swap that out down the line too for something more powerful if required. AMD will support Ryzen CPU upgrades on the B350 platform until 2020.

At 1080p 75hz, the 1700x will give you no benefits over the 1600x. At that res, 1600x is the sweet spot for 90-95% max FPS, and 100% Streaming quality. On the other hand the 8600k will give you 100% FPS, and approx (game dependant) anywhere between 80-90 streaming quality (meaning no drops in frames, or perceived stuttering whilst people watch)

If OC'ing your CPU is a consideration, higher x370 mobo's will have better options, and more power phases (meaning higher OC's). For moderate OC's the B350 mobo's are perfect. Although I'd stray away from ASRock b350's as they have no LLC controls.

Everything else with your build looks good.

Lastly, although an SSD has it's benefits, it's not necessary if your just going to be gaming. You could put that money to something else. Sure you will have a zippy OS, but when it comes to gaming and loading times (which is typical reason why people go for SSD's) are you happy to wait 30 seconds for a new level to load with an HDD, or is 200$ worth the loading time being 10 seconds. It is to some I guess.

edit: sorry, i couldn't find any comprehensive reviews of the PC Mate. However, looking at some forum posts, it may not be a great choice. I can't vouch for that though. It's just what ive seen with a quick google search.
 
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Yeah, my PC will only be for gaming (and streaming/editing - in future)
Should I have a 120gb SSD instead? It is $32AUD cheaper than the 240gb - is that worth saving the $32? And does the brand of SSD even matter? The one I would get would be 120GB WD 2.5" Green SATA 6GB/s SSD. Like I would just put the operating system in the SSD ? Well that's what one of my mate's said anyway because he said he only has 120GB because that's all he needed - but he does have like a 3 year old PC...

And if I'm getting the 1TB Seagate 3.5" 7200rpm SATA 6GB/s BarraCuda HDD - does that brand or whatever affect loading time? I literally knew nothing about PC's 2 days ago haha so excuse my low intelligence ahah.

I know the Ryzen 5 1600X is cheaper and also meant to be better for streaming, but I think I may just stick with i5 8600X, but I will ask my friends and see what they reckon also and I'll get a second opinion on both the builds I have customised (8600k and 1600x) from the PC guys at the shop I will have a look at in a couple days.

Thank you so much for your help!!
 
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Hmm, for the 32 bucks, i'd get the 240gb version. Yes, brands to make a difference in SSD, as does price. Price will mostly reflect transfer speeds. So cheaper models won't be as fast as ones more expensive. Samsung Evo models are renowned for being class leading, as are others. For the HDD, they are all much of a muchness if you ask me. Any decent bradned 1tb drive 7200rom, and maybe a 32/64mb or more cache will do fine.

To make the decision easy for you I'f put it like this:

Apart from RAM, PSU, Case, OS, Storage - As these things can be used in both systems - you only really have to select 3 things:

1. CPU.
2. Mobo
3. GPU

The 8600k will be better for gaming by about 10% game dependant.
The Ryzen will be better for any multitasking/CPU intensive tasks.
GPU purchase is key. Get more than you need. Both CPU's can drive a high end GPU with ease at higher resolutions than you are gaming at. CPU grunt is not an issue, or will it be lacking.

Both systems will serve you well. Good luck with the choice :)
 
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Well, thanks for the input!

The cooler, was what the OP originally linked, and for the purpose of only changing out CPU/Mobo for different builds, I left that one in. If the OP is willing to change cooler, for the Ryzen config, then there's a few quid to save there for sure. I'd agree with that. With that said, for the 8600k build I would defo have a decent cooler like the one linked.

On the memory, I would agree that faster memory benefits Ryzen, but choosing 2400mhz over 3000mhz or whatever isn't going to impact in any negative way. Sure there's a decrease in latency going with faster ram, and an increse in performance which can have an effect on some apps and games. ie up to a 10% increase in FPS in some games, and similar in some benchies which are memory speed sensitive. But is the premium of faster ram (and depending on which kit - can be as much as $100 extra), having 2400mhz ram will do just fine. The OP can OC the ram as I have done from 2400mhz to 2733, and still get an increase in performance. After 3000mhz the benefits of faster ram for the Ryzen interconnect taper off. Ryzen default mem is 2133 and supports up to 2400mhz as standard up to 3200 with OC dimms. By having 2400mhz dimms you are not causing any ill effect to the system and how it performs. It 'can' be faster in certain situations.

If you have suggestions, feel free to offer support, rather than a critique!
 
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