We get it ... you like it better, you don't care about better materials, better fit and finish and more features, you don't care that it has features you won't use.... you don't care that reviewers called it the Best Case of 2015.
You don't care that its scores higher numbers in all the linked reviews ... you don't care that reviewers have deemed it worthy of inclusion and an art gallery....and you don't care that the OP specifically expressed an interest in something that "looks good"
He / she did not say he's looking for something that 'looks like just about everything else". All you have pointed out is what the Nano doesn't provide and the subjective conclusion that somehow not having something just because you won't use it somehow makes it better.
I get that, "best" is not necessarily "best for everybody" . But the reasons you have put forth are simply not supportable.
1. Having features that you don't need is not a negative. You bought a case, apparently the fans weren't good enough so you replaced them or at least think the case would be better with Noctuas. You didn't like the look of the case so you modded it adding tempered glass ...the fact that you felt you needed to take these steps indicates that the case, as delivered, just wasn't quite good enough by your own terms.
2. Please explain how 2.03 CF is perfectly OK and 2.09 C "
way too big".
"McDonald's Quarter Pounder is great at 0.250 pounds but the other guy's hamburgers at 0.257 pounds is "just way too big".
"As I said to the salesman at the store, I was looking for a 50" TV .... 51.5" is way to big .... I just wouldn't be able to stand sitting 7.0' away from the TV; with the 50" I only have to sit 6.8' back".
"Well the job offer is great and all, the benefits are great and the extra salary will be nice, but right now I only have a 20.3 mile drive to work, doing 20.9 miles is simply way too much commuting distance."
Do these sound like logical arguments ?
Regarding the fans ... nothing beats Noctua
"nothing beats noctua" - means performance vs noise. You can accept or deny the fresh vomit colors, but it's pure performance rating.
Well if that's the case, the argument is lost .... Maybe we aren't using the same definition for "beat". As far as CPU cooling goes ... does having a CPU at 53C "beat" on that's at 50C ? Does one that has a better performance / noise ratio "beat" the one with the lower ?
a) I wasn't aware that the Nano was now delivering cases with Noctua fans. Topic is about case choices, not things you can buy afterwards. A case isn't "better" because you need to replace then fans with Noctuas
b) Explain this one to us;
Option 1: Four (4) industry leading 1200 rpm 140 mm fans, that can not be replaced by anything better (see below)
Option 2: One (1) 120 mm 1200 rpm fan + One (1) 1000 rpm 140mm fan; both of which you think should be replaced with Noctuas
How exactly is Option 2 better than 1 ?
Is getting half the amount of fans the reason ?
Is getting two different sizes and rpms the reason ?
Is the fact that having to replace them with Noctuas which will be perhaps almost as good as the Phanteks the reason ?
c) Noctua "lost the title" when Phanteks came on the scene but the Nocs still deserve respect for making quality products for so many years. But the aesthetics were always fugly and certainly do not "match" the case. That, and expense, are the reasons case manufacturers don't use them.
d) Noctua does make 2000 - 3000 rpm industrial fans, but you just said that performance / noise is what it's all about ... what place does a 2-3k fan have in a silent build ?
e) If nothing beats Noctua, then can you please explain why it is that, if you buy a Noctua cooler, and replace the Noctua fans with Phanteks fans
on Noctua's own cooler, despite the fact that the Noctua's are spinning a whopping 25% faster, CPU temps drop by 2.9C ? I'm not quite able to understand just how a CPU temp of 50C with the Phanteks at 1200 rpm doesn't "beat" .... no "crush" 52.9C with the Noctuas at 1500 rpm. And looking at "apples and apples" , with both fans at the same rpm, I'm not quite able to understand how it is that 50C doesn't "beat" 56.3C ?
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/phenteks_f140/3.htm
f) If nothing beats Noctua, care to explain their No. 2 finish behind the Phanteks at silentpcreview ?
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1345-page7.html
So while "nothing beats noctua" - means performance vs noise was a true statement "back in the day", as soon as Phanteks came on the scene, this ceased to be true.
has nothing to do with OPs question, just a pointless argument with Jack
The reason it is a pointless argument is solely because a) the stated criteria in the OPs post are being ignored and b) your reasoning for your objections are not supportable. I don't have an issue with you preferring the Nano but your needs are not everyone needs. The part I take issue with is trying to turn your subjective preferences and present them as indisputable facts.
Address the following in reference to the OPs post:
a) "I'm looking for a case that is good for watercooling and also looks nice."
I can understand anyone not liking any particular case design, that is a subjective thing. But when the OP makes a point to mention aesthetics as an important issue, it's pretty much a given that they aren't looking for any "run of the mill" aesthetic that looks like just about everything else. The Evolv Tempered has dozens of reviews which spend a fair amount of time commenting on the superior aesthetics of the case. That certainly can not be said of the Define S.
b) "I'm going to water cool my CPU and GPU with either (1x240, 1x360) or (2x240) radiators."
Do not both cases meet that criteria ?
c) "The price doesn't matter that much but please don't list a case labs $600 case."
When the OP states that "price doesn't matter" it hardly screams out "Find me a a $54 case".
Now for the discussion you added that is not responsive to the original post
d) The OP does not include any stated criteria for the case being below a certain size, size is obviously not a important criteria to him / her and that is who we are trying to help. There are no stated width, depth or height limitations and lacking that, the size discussion is essentially irrelevant within accepted norms. The only instance where size matters would be 1) when talking outside normal expected ranges where it would needed to be said that Super ATX is OK, 2) where Mini ITX portability was desired or necessary for say LAN parties or dorm room or 3) case had to fit under desk or in cabinet.
None of these have been put forth and the emphasis on good looks would eliminate 3) from consideration
e) If "size does matter", I still am unable to grasp just how a 2.03 CF case is just perfect and a 2.09 CF mid tower case is way too big. You gonna turn down that job cause your commuting distance jumps from 20.3 miles to 20.9 ?
f) Your response to one case having more and better fans was to argue that Noctua fans ... fans that do not come with case you prefer .... are better. Exactly how is this relevant ? He could replace the fans in either case could he not ?
g) Putting four (4) 140mm Nocs in the Nano would certainly improve things ... but putting four (4) 140mm Nocs in the Evolv, simply put, would not. When one hits 50C and one hits 56.3C, you just can't argue that 56.3 is better.
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