[SOLVED] Best combo PC video gaming & video editing

[VeePee]

Hullo,

Looking for a windows10 desktop, 2 in 1 for video editing and gaming. Would prefer store bought instead of building.

Or suggestions on what components to focus on. Can I do this for $1600USD

Would love to hear what others are using - pros n cons!

Thanks,
VeePee

 

[tennis2]

What country are you shopping in?

Is your budget JUST for the tower, or do you need monitor, KB, mouse also?

Do you already have a desktop computer? (So we know what to beat)
If so, what are the components? (In case we can reuse anything)

 

[VeePee]

What country are you shopping in?

Is your budget JUST for the tower, or do you need monitor, KB, mouse also?

Do you already have a desktop computer? (So we know what to beat)
If so, what are the components? (In case we can reuse anything)

What country are you shopping in?

Is your budget JUST for the tower, or do you need monitor, KB, mouse also?

Do you already have a desktop computer? (So we know what to beat)
If so, what are the components? (In case we can reuse anything)

Hey Tennis II!

Great - you asked the questions I should be asking...

I am in the Great White North! Canada🍁

Yes - it is just for the tower - I have the peripherals

Ok, don't laugh but this the tower (2014)
https://support.hp.com/ca-en/document/c03927014
I added extra RAM to the so it is at 16GB
The video card is a bit of a shocker...it sort works...ok...
It came with 2TB back then...I still have about 600 GB free! (cloud)
Everything else - original and still working.

I am sort of want to buy a pre done box. Ok occasionally you find a steal and then you can pop in upgrades.
Looking forward to your experienced reply!

V

 

[tennis2]

Sort of want a pre-built?
Do you want a pre-built because you think they carry a better value? Or because you're not comfortable assembling all the components yourself? (No shame in that, just need to know)

 

[VeePee]

Sort of want a pre-built?
Do you want a pre-built because you think they carry a better value? Or because you're not comfortable assembling all the components yourself? (No shame in that, just need to know)

Hey Tennis!

Yup don't want to build it - did it in the past and I found it priced out the same. also I moved, so no longer have a good space to build or the tools.

Unless you believe otherwise - more pros than cons?

Thanks!

 

[tennis2]

I find it easiest to see what your budget gets you in individual parts first. Then see what a similarly spec'd pre-built costs.

I'm going to assume that your 2TB HDD is reusable.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($428.50 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: ASRock B450M/AC Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($109.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: HP EX950 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($106.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB SC ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($579.00 @ Canada Computers)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($99.99 @ Canada Computers)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($121.23 @ Vuugo)
Case Fan: ARCTIC F12 PWM 53 CFM 120 mm Fan ($9.71 @ Vuugo)
Total: $1590.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-27 11:15 EDT-0400

There are legitimate places to get Win10 for MUCH less than the $100 retail price.

quick search for a pre-built with similar specs.
https://www.amazon.ca/CYBERPOWERPC-Supreme-Liquid-SLC10280CPGV2-802-11AC/dp/B07TN43NRN

• substituting the RX5700 into the PCPP list reduces the overall cost by $100
• The Cyberpower has a 120mm liquid cooler, which is about $70
• Cyberpower includes a 2TB hdd (which you already have)
• Cyberpower includes a KB & M (which you don't really need)
• Cyberpower only has 2400MHz RAM
• Cyberpower won't have nearly as nice of a PSU
• The Fractal Meshify C is a much better case

 

[ocer9999]

Few tweaks, faster GFX, better SSD. Unless you want RTX which in my view doesnt make sense at the 2060 S performance, the 5700 XT is a better choice.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($428.50 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: ASRock B450M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($107.92 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($109.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Crucial MX500 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($99.75 @ shopRBC)
Video Card: ASRock Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB CHALLENGER D OC Video Card ($520.50 @ Vuugo)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($99.99 @ Canada Computers)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($121.23 @ Vuugo)
Case Fan: ARCTIC F12 PWM 53 CFM 120 mm Fan ($9.71 @ Vuugo)
Total: $1497.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-27 17:40 EDT-0400

 

[tennis2]

Uhhh, the MX500 is NOT better than the HP950.....

I was of the impression that Nvidia GPUs are better in Adobe software (Premier). I guess the OP didn't state what program they were using.

 

[VeePee]

Few tweaks, faster GFX, better SSD. Unless you want RTX which in my view doesnt make sense at the 2060 S performance, the 5700 XT is a better choice.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($428.50 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: ASRock B450M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($107.92 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($109.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Crucial MX500 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($99.75 @ shopRBC)
Video Card: ASRock Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB CHALLENGER D OC Video Card ($520.50 @ Vuugo)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($99.99 @ Canada Computers)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($121.23 @ Vuugo)
Case Fan: ARCTIC F12 PWM 53 CFM 120 mm Fan ($9.71 @ Vuugo)
Total: $1497.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-27 17:40 EDT-0400

Awesome!

I was going to ask why the about Radeon over Nvidia
Curious - why the ATX case - save money? Or is there another reason?



Thank you so much!

 

[tennis2]

From a purely gaming perspective, the 5700XT is about equivalent to a 2070 / 2070 Super.

the Fractal Meshify C Mini is mATX.

 

[VeePee]

Crazy looking at those graphs....my GT 635 is not where to be found!

Why is the 8GB RTX 2080 out performing the Radeon VII with 16 GB (just curious)

Does Radeon tend to be cheaper, and delivers the same performance - how do you feel about that statement?

Do you know if video gaming performance and video editing performance are the same for these gfx cards?

Thanks for putting up with my questions!

 

[Hellfire13]

@Tennis & @OCER...
Why go for 3600mhz CL18 when it performs nearly same as cheaper 3200mhz CL16...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnRVEgCZJ7c

And that too on boards that doesn't even support that speed and also not guaranteed to come with 3rd gen BIOS. I dont think someone spending that kinda money and looking for prebuilt is going to go through the hassle of flash BIOS. If you are suggesting 3600mhz, go for tighter timing like CL16, else it ain't gonna matter much...

This should be better...

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor | $428.50 @ Vuugo
Motherboard | MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard | $169.05 @ Vuugo
Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory | $117.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage | Crucial P2 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $92.99 @ Newegg Canada
Video Card | MSI Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB GAMING X Video Card | $574.50 @ Vuugo
Case | Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case | $77.68 @ Vuugo
Power Supply | SeaSonic FOCUS Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply | $114.43 @ Vuugo
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $1585.14
| Mail-in rebates | -$10.00
| Total | $1575.14
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-29 12:29 EDT-0400 |

Why is the 8GB RTX 2080 out performing the Radeon VII with 16 GB (just curious)

Does Radeon tend to be cheaper, and delivers the same performance - how do you feel about that statement?

Do you know if video gaming performance and video editing performance are the same for these gfx cards?

Graphics card VRAM doesnt reflect its actual performance. The processor and architecture behind it reflects actual performance.

Depends on which Radeon card you are using. Not all of them are same.

These days, most cards are pretty good for both gaming and editing. The manufacturers are well aware of market demand.

 

[tennis2]

The AsRock B450M/AC is guaranteed to ship with a Ryzen 3000 BIOS. see here and it has integrated WiFi.

I flip back and forth between DDR4-3200 and 3600 for Ryzen 3000 builds. Usually I'm in the 3200MHz camp, but 3600MHz was/is only $7 more....

Another option if you're just looking at 1080p gaming:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($428.50 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: ASRock B450M/AC Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($102.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: HP EX950 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($106.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 5600 XT 6 GB PULSE Video Card ($421.30 @ Vuugo)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($99.99 @ Canada Computers)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($106.50 @ Vuugo)
Case Fan: ARCTIC F12 PWM 53 CFM 120 mm Fan ($9.71 @ Vuugo)
Total: $1400.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-29 13:39 EDT-0400

*A downward continuation of the earlier chart.

 

[Hellfire13]

The AsRock B450M/AC is guaranteed to ship with a Ryzen 3000 BIOS. see here

I flip back and forth between DDR4-3200 and 3600 for Ryzen 3000 builds. Usually I'm in the 3200MHz camp though.

All b450 and x470 boards will have the same details as they have all revised product pages. Doesnt reflect the ground reality though, say for eg. the vendor is clearing stock from older batches, kinda screwed on luck type of situation it may land up . Also, that board doesnt support 3600mhz.

 

[tennis2]

No.... the AsRock B450M/ac is a newer board altogether. As you can see in the link I provided, the Ryzen 3600 is supported by ALL BIOS versions just like MSI's MAX boards. Meaning you're guaranteed to get a Ryzen 3000 BIOS on the shipping product. I haven't seen any manufacturers revise their BIOS version page the way you're suggesting.

Noted on the 3600MHz. That's why I switched to 3200MHz which you were a proponent for anyway.

 

[Hellfire13]

No.... the AsRock B450M/ac is a newer board altogether. As you can see in the link I provided, the Ryzen 3600 is supported by ALL BIOS versions just like MSI's MAX boards. Meaning you're guaranteed to get a Ryzen 3000 BIOS on the shipping product. I haven't seen any manufacturers revise their BIOS version page the way you're suggesting.

Noted on the 3600MHz. That's why I switched to 3200MHz which you were a proponent for anyway.

A 3rd gen. ready motherboard should come with higher memory support. Doesnt make sense. Dont mean to be rude mate, but are you sure?

 

[refillable]

I won't skimp on the motherboard on AM4 platforms, I'd at least get the MSI B450-A PRO MAX. It's not that much more expensive than the AsRock anyway.

A 3rd gen. ready motherboard should come with higher memory support. Doesnt make sense. Dont mean to be rude mate, but are you sure?

Yes, a 3rd gen ready motherboard technically will have better memory support, because it can take 3rd gen Ryzens. The memory controller is on the CPU, not on the chipset like it used to be.

 

[cryoburner]

Graphics card VRAM doesnt reflect its actual performance. The processor and architecture behind it reflects actual performance.

Yep, though the amount of VRAM will make a difference to performance if a game requires more than a card has to offer. At this time though, 8GB of VRAM is more than enough for current games, and 6GB is also good for the time being, so the Radeon VII's additional video memory isn't really getting utilized.