Question Best desicion for my case (1070 with i7 6700k)

fekis88

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Hi.Now i have 1070 card with i7 6700k processor. Motherboard with 1151 socket LGA.
In the new games i can't play on 60fps with maximum setting, for example Horizon zero dawn,Serious sam 4,Rdr2.
Which is best upgrade my system to i9 9900k processor and it will be enough for max settings or buy new motherboard new processor( 10900k with 3080 card) or for now just upgrade to i9 9900k processor.
I need to play on the max setting 60 fps 1080p.
The games didn't deal with max settings.
Please help.
 
Most games are graphics limited and not so much cpu limited.
Your difficulty with settings suggests a gpu limitation.

Unfortunately, buying a good graphics card upgrade today is difficult.
3080 cards are unobtainable, let alone at anything less than 2x MSRP.

Many ask about the cpu vs. gpu upgrade question.
My stock approach to this perennial question:

Some games are graphics limited like fast action shooters.
Others are cpu core speed limited like strategy, sims, and mmo.
Multiplayer tends to like many threads.

You need to find out which.
------------------------------------------------------------
To help clarify your CPU/GPU options, run these two tests:

a) Run YOUR games, but lower your resolution and eye candy.
This makes the graphics card loaf a bit.
If your FPS increases, it indicates that your cpu is strong enough to drive a better graphics configuration.
If your FPS stays the same, you are likely more cpu limited.

b) Limit your cpu, either by reducing the OC, or, in windows power management, limit the maximum cpu% to something like 70%.
Go to control panel/power options/change plan settings/change advanced power settings/processor power management/maximum processor state/
This will simulate what a lack of cpu power will do.
Conversely what a 30% improvement in core speed might do.

You should also experiment with removing one or more cores/threads. You can do this in the windows msconfig boot advanced options option.
You will need to reboot for the change to take effect. Set the number of threads to less than you have.
This will tell you how sensitive your games are to the benefits of many threads.
If you see little difference, your game does not need all the threads you have.



It is possible that both tests are positive, indicating that you have a well balanced system,
and both cpu and gpu need to be upgraded to get better gaming FPS.
-------------------------------------------------------------

If you need to go down the cpu upgrade route, you have many good options.

Any modern processor upgrade is going to need a motherboard change also.

The 11th gen intel processors(and ryzen 5000 series) have improved performance per clock of some 19%
I would not go older gen.

As a base, your I7-6700K has 8 threads and a passmark rating of 8977.
That is when all 8 threads are fully utilized. If your games are multiplayer with many participants, that is most important.
For most other games, the single thread rating of 2532 is more relevant.
If your budget permits a i9-10900k, then you are better off as a gamer with a i9-11900k,
16 threads and a rating of 28082 with a single thread rating of 3764.
Here is a review:

You will need a good Z590 based motherboard and a good cooler to get the most turbo uptick with the processor.
 
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fekis88

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is it worth to buy much expensive card( i9-11900k)just for 16 threads instead of 8?
I thought threads is worth for programs not the games


Most games are graphics limited and not so much cpu limited.
Your difficulty with settings suggests a gpu limitation.

Unfortunately, buying a good graphics card upgrade today is difficult.
3080 cards are unobtainable, let alone at anything less than 2x MSRP.

Many ask about the cpu vs. gpu upgrade question.
My stock approach to this perennial question:

Some games are graphics limited like fast action shooters.
Others are cpu core speed limited like strategy, sims, and mmo.
Multiplayer tends to like many threads.

You need to find out which.
------------------------------------------------------------
To help clarify your CPU/GPU options, run these two tests:

a) Run YOUR games, but lower your resolution and eye candy.
This makes the graphics card loaf a bit.
If your FPS increases, it indicates that your cpu is strong enough to drive a better graphics configuration.
If your FPS stays the same, you are likely more cpu limited.

b) Limit your cpu, either by reducing the OC, or, in windows power management, limit the maximum cpu% to something like 70%.
Go to control panel/power options/change plan settings/change advanced power settings/processor power management/maximum processor state/
This will simulate what a lack of cpu power will do.
Conversely what a 30% improvement in core speed might do.

You should also experiment with removing one or more cores/threads. You can do this in the windows msconfig boot advanced options option.
You will need to reboot for the change to take effect. Set the number of threads to less than you have.
This will tell you how sensitive your games are to the benefits of many threads.
If you see little difference, your game does not need all the threads you have.



It is possible that both tests are positive, indicating that you have a well balanced system,
and both cpu and gpu need to be upgraded to get better gaming FPS.
-------------------------------------------------------------

If you need to go down the cpu upgrade route, you have many good options.

Any modern processor upgrade is going to need a motherboard change also.

The 11th gen intel processors(and ryzen 5000 series) have improved performance per clock of some 19%
I would not go older gen.

As a base, your I7-6700K has 8 threads and a passmark rating of 8977.
That is when all 8 threads are fully utilized. If your games are multiplayer with many participants, that is most important.
For most other games, the single thread rating of 2532 is more relevant.
If your budget permits a i9-10900k, then you are better off as a gamer with a i9-11900k,
16 threads and a rating of 28082 with a single thread rating of 3764.
Here is a review:

You will need a good Z590 based motherboard and a good cooler to get the most turbo uptick with the processor.
 

fekis88

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May 27, 2018
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so maybe 1070 for nowadays enough ?

Most games are graphics limited and not so much cpu limited.
Your difficulty with settings suggests a gpu limitation.

Unfortunately, buying a good graphics card upgrade today is difficult.
3080 cards are unobtainable, let alone at anything less than 2x MSRP.

Many ask about the cpu vs. gpu upgrade question.
My stock approach to this perennial question:

Some games are graphics limited like fast action shooters.
Others are cpu core speed limited like strategy, sims, and mmo.
Multiplayer tends to like many threads.

You need to find out which.
------------------------------------------------------------
To help clarify your CPU/GPU options, run these two tests:

a) Run YOUR games, but lower your resolution and eye candy.
This makes the graphics card loaf a bit.
If your FPS increases, it indicates that your cpu is strong enough to drive a better graphics configuration.
If your FPS stays the same, you are likely more cpu limited.

b) Limit your cpu, either by reducing the OC, or, in windows power management, limit the maximum cpu% to something like 70%.
Go to control panel/power options/change plan settings/change advanced power settings/processor power management/maximum processor state/
This will simulate what a lack of cpu power will do.
Conversely what a 30% improvement in core speed might do.

You should also experiment with removing one or more cores/threads. You can do this in the windows msconfig boot advanced options option.
You will need to reboot for the change to take effect. Set the number of threads to less than you have.
This will tell you how sensitive your games are to the benefits of many threads.
If you see little difference, your game does not need all the threads you have.



It is possible that both tests are positive, indicating that you have a well balanced system,
and both cpu and gpu need to be upgraded to get better gaming FPS.
-------------------------------------------------------------

If you need to go down the cpu upgrade route, you have many good options.

Any modern processor upgrade is going to need a motherboard change also.

The 11th gen intel processors(and ryzen 5000 series) have improved performance per clock of some 19%
I would not go older gen.

As a base, your I7-6700K has 8 threads and a passmark rating of 8977.
That is when all 8 threads are fully utilized. If your games are multiplayer with many participants, that is most important.
For most other games, the single thread rating of 2532 is more relevant.
If your budget permits a i9-10900k, then you are better off as a gamer with a i9-11900k,
16 threads and a rating of 28082 with a single thread rating of 3764.
Here is a review:

You will need a good Z590 based motherboard and a good cooler to get the most turbo uptick with the processor.
 
If your 1070 is what is limiting your performance, then upgrade the 1070 if you can.
A graphics limitation is not going to be fixed by much with a cpu upgrade.

On the thread issue, few games will effectively use more than 4-6 threads.
You will always see activity on all threads, but that is just windows spreading the activity around.

If you play multiplayer games with many participants, then more threads for each of them can help.

Worth is a personal thing.
No doubt a i9-11900K would be a good upgrade and you would notice an increase in overall quickness.
If you have the budget, such an upgrade would be as good as it gets.

That is the make/model of all the rest of your parts?

If, for example, you are still using Hard drives, then an upgrade to ssd devices would be the first thing I would do.
 

fekis88

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May 27, 2018
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If your 1070 is what is limiting your performance, then upgrade the 1070 if you can.
A graphics limitation is not going to be fixed by much with a cpu upgrade.

On the thread issue, few games will effectively use more than 4-6 threads.
You will always see activity on all threads, but that is just windows spreading the activity around.

If you play multiplayer games with many participants, then more threads for each of them can help.

Worth is a personal thing.
No doubt a i9-11900K would be a good upgrade and you would notice an increase in overall quickness.
If you have the budget, such an upgrade would be as good as it gets.

That is the make/model of all the rest of your parts?

If, for example, you are still using Hard drives, then an upgrade to ssd devices would be the first thing I would do.
no i didn't play in the multiplayer games. in the games i think for now my processor didn't deal with the new games. So maybe buy 10900 kf or 10850
 

ronss

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if u are going to game 1440 or 2160, cpu had little effect of fps...at 2160, i can game allmost as fast with a r5 3600 than the i9 9900k, or even the later 11 th gen...its gpu dependent on those resolutions.
also, the 11 th generation , go for the i5 11600k, that is the go after cpu today, besides the amd r5 5600...
the i9 9900k is good choice if u did not want to upgrade motherboard, but remember, its power hungry...myself, i would get the i5 11600k and new mother board if u got the $..

i agree with previous post, ur gpu is holding u back the most...and getting ne now is extremely difficult, expically the 3080, and read this could continue for most of the year
 
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