Steve082119 :
Hey guys/girls,
I'm pretty good when it comes to working programs with a creative eye, but know next to nothing about hardware... Also I'm transitioning from an Apple mindset. I'd really appreciate any help/direction you'd like to provide!
I say that I'm semi-pro as to clarify that I'm not currently working in industry, but I am a digital artist who gets occasional commissions.
Programs I work with:
Adobe: Illustrator, Photoshop, Lightroom, After Effects, Premier Pro, Fuse
Autodesk: Maya, Mudbox, Meshmixer
Game design - Unity
Music production/sound design - Audacity or Reaper [I'm used to GarageBand, and don't know which DAW to move to]
Most demanding programs [I assume] are:
1] Unity - Game Design
2] Maya - 3D Animation
3] After Effects - 2.5D Animation/Video Editing/Effects
4] Premier Pro - Video Editing
5] Photoshop - Photo Editing
I know at this price range I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel for my needs, so I hope in time I can upgrade parts!
Side note: I have 4k monitors, speakers, keyboards, mice, etc. already. Oh and I'll be interfacing with a Surface Pro 4 and Galaxy S7 for mobile [lighter] usage... Don't know if that helps to know.
Thanks for any help you're able to provide!
All the best,
Steven
Steven,
The various tasks and programs vary in scale and intensity, Maya requiring a high single-thread performance and with some multi-threading, After Effects which can use multiple threads but actually declines in performance with a dual CPU system, and as Premiere has a variable capacity for multi-threading - it had a "Render Frames Simultaneously: feature in v. 2014 that was removed for 2015 and is said to be back for v. 2016 in some unknown form. The GPU demands are many- especially for Maya which has to vast numbers of polygons at high anti-aliasing. Files are large in Maya and Premiere so the memory and disk systems need to be good also.
Taken together, the hardware needs to be good all-round and in this budget, My suggestion would be to buy a used workstation and upgrade it., in particular a workstation that may be configured as a single CPU but a second CPU added later. For example:
HP Z620 Workstation 2.50GHz 6 Core E5-2640 16GB RAM No HDD > sold for $450 or offer
Then to this add:
Xeon E5-2690 (8-core @ 2.9 / 3.8GHz) , About $180
+32GB RAM ( 4X 8GB DDR3-1600 ECC) about $160
Quadro M4000 (8GB) used about $600
Samsung 850 Evo 250GB > $80
WD Black 1TB > $70
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System: $450
Upgrades: $1100
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TOTAL= about $1550
This takes advantage of highly deprecated system and CPU's - the E5- 2690 cost $2.050 new. the results is a highly capable system which would have cost $9,000-11,000 new and which is reliable, quiet, and with good support. Importantly a system, may be purchased that doesn't have to be ordered,assembled, wired, configured, and etc- only upgraded and may be done gradually. For, example, after sorting it out and getting to work, eventually a 2nd E5-2690 ,bring RAM to 64GB and add faster M.2 disk.
The Quadro M4000 8GB is chosen to cover application that require high anti-aliasing and 10-bit color- which is about all the ones you're using. The Passmark M4000 3D performance is an average of 6434 similar to GTX 770 at 6147. So, gaming should be quite reasonable, though of course not GTX 1080 level.
As CPU's have more cores, the clock speed and single-thread performance drops, but with a reasonable rating and with a good GPU, especially a higher end, but depreciated one, this is completely workable. For examples:
E5-2620V4: Average Passmark CPU Rating:
11877 / Single Thread Rating:
1636
E5-2690:
14383 /
1878
My most recent project of this kind is for an Analysis / Simulation / Rendering system.
This was based on an HP z620, purchased for $270 as it had cosmetic defects:
HP z620 Xeon E5-1620 4-core @ 3.6 /3.8GHz) / 8GB (1X 8GB DDR3-1333) / AMD Firepro V5900 (2GB) / Seagate Barracuda 750GB + Samsung 500GB + WD 500GB
[ Passmark System Rating=
2468 / CPU= 8361 / 2D= 846 / 3D = 1613 / Mem =1584 / Disk = 574 ] 7.13.16
Purchased:
1X E5 2690: $345
2nd CPU Riser: $150
Kit: complete plastic case parts: $56
32GB RAM: $160
HP Z Turbo drive 256GB (Samsung SM951 M.2) : $150
Quadro K2200 and WD RE4 from previous system: value $250 and $30
So a reasonable investment with the result;
HP z620 (
Rev 2) 2X Xeon E5-2690 (8-core @ 2.9 /3.8GHz) / 40GB DDR3-1600 ECC) / Quadro K2200 (4GB) / HP Z Turbo Drive (256GB) / 800W > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit > HP 2711x (27" 1980 X 1080)
[ Passmark System Rating=
5322 / CPU= 19675 / 2D= 767 / 3D = 3544/ Mem =2337 / Disk = 12951 ] 8.5.16
> Which happens to be the currently top-rated HP z620 of 157 tested, for a reasonable cost of about $1,500.
Other candidates for this system within the budget include: Dell Precision T5600, T7600, and HP z820. It might also be possible to configure an HP z420 or Dell Precision T3600 with a single high specification 8-core or 10- core E5 v2, in the budget, but as multi-threading continues to improve, a system that can expand to dual Xeons will be the most forward-looking.
Mainly, buying a used workstation can mean getting work in hours instead of days and day with building and the performance can be better for the same cost.
Cheers,
BamibBoom
Modeling:
HP z420 (2015) > Xeon E5-1660 v2 (6-core @ 3.7 / 4.0GHz) / 32GB DDR3 -1866 ECC RAM / Quadro K4200 (4GB) / Samsung SM951 M.2 256GB AHCI + Intel 730 480GB (9SSDSC2BP480G4R5) + Western Digital Black WD1003FZEX 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > 600W PSU> > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit > Logitech z2300 speakers > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440)>
[ Passmark Rating = 5581 > CPU= 14046 / 2D= 838 / 3D= 4694 / Mem= 2777 / Disk= 11559] [6.12.16]