Best desktop for semi-pro level game design, animation, video/photo editing for around $1,500?

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Steve082119

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Hey guys/girls,
I'm pretty good when it comes to working programs with a creative eye, but know next to nothing about hardware... Also I'm transitioning from an Apple mindset. I'd really appreciate any help/direction you'd like to provide!

I say that I'm semi-pro as to clarify that I'm not currently working in industry, but I am a digital artist who gets occasional commissions.

Programs I work with:

Adobe: Illustrator, Photoshop, Lightroom, After Effects, Premier Pro, Fuse
Autodesk: Maya, Mudbox, Meshmixer
Game design - Unity
Music production/sound design - Audacity or Reaper [I'm used to GarageBand, and don't know which DAW to move to]

Most demanding programs [I assume] are:

1] Unity - Game Design
2] Maya - 3D Animation
3] After Effects - 2.5D Animation/Video Editing/Effects
4] Premier Pro - Video Editing
5] Photoshop - Photo Editing

I know at this price range I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel for my needs, so I hope in time I can upgrade parts!

Side note: I have 4k monitors, speakers, keyboards, mice, etc. already. Oh and I'll be interfacing with a Surface Pro 4 and Galaxy S7 for mobile [lighter] usage... Don't know if that helps to know.

Thanks for any help you're able to provide!

All the best,
Steven
 
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Samer1970

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the Xeons are still very good at the other tasks he is doing ... besides as I said it is up to him to decide , he knows what he will do and which tasks are more important to him .

cant we just wait until he replies ? again , I am not disagreeing with you . IMO this is a better System for him , If you disagree fine with me ... each is entitled his view and opinion.
 

Steve082119

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Wow, you guys get extremely passionate about this stuff! Hahaha

So to sum up, and correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems for my needs I could go much cheaper to run everything, and render at not frustrating levels, but as I get past the 1000 price point I can either lean into a better CPU, or graphics card; rendering speed, or unbaked preview power and quality.

Options to choose from are:


Samer1970's dual xeon build:

CPU: Intel Xeon E5-2620 V4 2.1GHz 8-Core Processor ($407.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU: Intel Xeon E5-2620 V4 2.1GHz 8-Core Processor ($407.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool GAMMAXX 400 74.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($13.80 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool GAMMAXX 400 74.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($13.80 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Supermicro MBD-X10DAL-I-O ATX Dual-CPU LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($301.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 7K3000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 950 75W 2GB Video Card ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($62.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Other: crucial 32G 4x8 dual rank rddr4 2400 ($211.00)
Total: $1658.53

King Dranzer's Xeon E5-2620V4 GTX1070 build:

CPU: Intel Xeon E5-2620 V4 2.1GHz 8-Core Processor ($407.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer i11 74.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($23.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus X99-A/USB 3.1 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: A-Data Premier SP550 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($106.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.40 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card ($429.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1501.22


Rogue Leader's basic i7 Build:

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z170M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($119.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.39 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 950 2GB SSC ACX 2.0 Video Card ($147.99 @ NCIX US) but replace this with NVIDIA Quadro K4000 3GB GDDR5 Graphics card ($475.00 @ amazon) or PNY NVIDIA Quadro M2000 - VCQM2000-PB Graphics Cards ($437.24)
Case: Corsair SPEC-02 ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.88 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1500ish



So my big question is what are the differences between Intel Xeon E5-2620 V4 2.1GHz 8-Core Processor, Intel Xeon E5-2620 V4 2.1GHz 8-Core Processor x2, and Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor? More cores, more rendering power? Or are other elements of all the uses I mentioned effected as well?

EVGA GeForce GTX 950 2GB SSC ACX 2.0 Video Card, EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card, NVIDIA Quadro K4000 3GB GDDR5 Graphics card, and PNY NVIDIA Quadro M2000 - VCQM2000-PB Graphics Cards? What does the graphic card do? How's it influence the processes/uses I mentioned?


Either one I'm sure I'll be happy with, and will be leagues above what I've used in the past! It seems with extra funds I can easily upgrade to a mixture of everything you have suggested. At this point I'm just trying to understand more for edification sake... lol
 

Steve082119

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Got ya... Currently the bulk of my work is with video[music videos, commercials, and shorts. Most I'll be doing is editing a 30 minute show] /photo editing, and [sadly, but thus are startup production teams] self-rendering, but my passion is getting into game design, so to that degree I am guessing King Dranzer's Xeon E5-2620V4 GTX1070 build is my best choice? A good mid point... Anything that I'm missing?
 

Rogue Leader

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Ok glad you said this because based on your original post I didn't get the video focus out of it.

I would go for King's build however I would consider swapping the GPU for a Quadro as some of the software you use can be accelerated for the Quadro. HOWEVER gaming wise games don't work so well on there. So you need to figure on that tradeoff. The 1070 still has many of the benefits (CUDA cores) that help in a lot of the software you use so its a good compromise, if you want to game.
 
Really happy to see this thread come to conclusion. This thread was a bit stressful especially with Amashi.
For now go with GTX1070 as it is good one for some extent. When you start getting into 3D modeling and animation stuff get a Quadro.
Now I am going to make a sentence to which I would like Rogue Leader's response.
OP if you don't have enough money to get a good Quadro I would recommend you to go with TITAN X PASCAL. I checked out the 3DS MAX benchmarks and the fight between TITAN X PASCAL and P6000 was a close one. And this version of TITAN is considered to serve for professional work as well as gaming therefore the tag GTX was not given to it. About GTX tag not given to TITAN X PASCAL I read it somewhere and not sure how much truth there is to it.
 

Steve082119

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Well that's a mortal coil no animator should make... better play, or better work... ugh hahaha

Exactly how much more efficient are the Quatros and to which programs? I looked up bench marks of the two suggested and I keep seeing the 1070 out perform...?
 

Steve082119

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Sorry King, I really knew nothing coming in, and then expecting to wait a few days for a response, I started the thread right before dinner and sleep, so I wasn't able to mediate, clarify, and pacify. I really do appreciate all the effort, time, emotional, and mental energy into my question, and I'll be really excited to try out my new system! Thanks so much King, Rogue, and Samer, and the other honorary un-mentions. lol Have a great one!
 

Rogue Leader

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Even the last gen Titan X was a better performer professionally than game wise. It just has an absurd amount of ram and many of these programs are accelerated for CUDA cores of which the Titan X Pascal has spades of. I don't know how much truth there is to the GTX tag, because its still a Gaming focused setup, but lets be honest the market for a $1200 GPU is very niche so it makes sense to gear it as much towards content creation as gaming since they won't be selling a whole ton of them.



So programs like Maya, Premeire Pro, and Mudbox all have certain features that only work on Quadro cards. That said, I have to be honest I don't do this type of work so I don't know how important these are to you. However I do know folks that do that swear by using a Quadro GPU over a GTX because of it. BUT like I said, the most important part is many of these programs take advantage of CUDA cores so performance and speed wise the 1070 should be quite similar or faster. It also comes down to the drivers allowing some hardware level access that GTX cards do not.

Especially for a first time setup the 1070 is probably your best bet. TBH if you run into issues you can probably sell it for near what you paid for it, and upgrade to a Quadro if you find you need the support.
 
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Got the answer to the question from NVIDIA. TITAN X PASCAL is far better than P5000 and nearer to P6000(physically) whereas P5000 to be considered a bit better than GTX1080. The only limitation TITAN X faces is of suitable drivers. But the requirement of those drivers is mostly applicable to pros. As this build is for a semi-pro TITAN X PASCAL should be enough to do the job.
 


You were correct about Quadro having suitable drivers :)
I hope TITAN X can satisfy this build as this is a semi-pro build
 

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Hello Steve ,

I am little busy so I will answer fast answers here ,

1-If you want to render movies fast and 3D , you will need more cores , I chosen the best out there under your Budget ... the longer the movie and the higher the resolution , the more cores you will need..
and If you ever think of 4K movies , get the 2 Xeons ...

2-The Quadro M2000 is the same as the GTX 950 on the hardware level, but nvidia locks out many things in the gaming card drivers , in general the GTX 950 will perform half the speed of the Quadro M2000 in 3D programs (not total System speed , no , but in what the card does) , some features will be missing . but it will work . However the more cores here is more important , why ? because this is an entry level Quadro dont expect it to perform huge ... the weight is small . you get huge improvement with 5000,6000 expensive cards a couple of thousands Dollars .

3- If you decide to get a Quadro , wait for the Pascal Quadros , Pascal is almost 60-80% faster than Maxwell , so dont get the M2000 , wait for the P2000 .

4- If you want to save Money , Go with 4 cores 4GHZ i7 (or Xeon skylake V5 with ECC memory) , but any time in the future you want to work heavy or use 4K Editing you will be stuck , 4 cores will not be fast enough.

5- I allways prefer the base unit to be solid then upgrade later . you can add Quadro cards any time you want , you can add an SSD in few months , but it will be very hard to replace the base unit . if you are deep into Editing and rendering , get the dual xeons 16 cores /32 threads.

If you buy a car , you look at the ENGINE first , then you can get better tires later ...

If you choose my build make sure you can return the coolers if they dont fit , I chosen them for the good price but I dont know 100% if they fit together or not , the height is ok but the sockets are near each others... other good coolers that I know will fit are $50 each , and will raise your budget.

Remember : at the end rendering is what matters for movie makers .

oh and if you use online editing forget about 4 cores as well.
 



Steven,


The various tasks and programs vary in scale and intensity, Maya requiring a high single-thread performance and with some multi-threading, After Effects which can use multiple threads but actually declines in performance with a dual CPU system, and as Premiere has a variable capacity for multi-threading - it had a "Render Frames Simultaneously: feature in v. 2014 that was removed for 2015 and is said to be back for v. 2016 in some unknown form. The GPU demands are many- especially for Maya which has to vast numbers of polygons at high anti-aliasing. Files are large in Maya and Premiere so the memory and disk systems need to be good also.

Taken together, the hardware needs to be good all-round and in this budget, My suggestion would be to buy a used workstation and upgrade it., in particular a workstation that may be configured as a single CPU but a second CPU added later. For example:

HP Z620 Workstation 2.50GHz 6 Core E5-2640 16GB RAM No HDD > sold for $450 or offer

Then to this add:

Xeon E5-2690 (8-core @ 2.9 / 3.8GHz) , About $180
+32GB RAM ( 4X 8GB DDR3-1600 ECC) about $160
Quadro M4000 (8GB) used about $600
Samsung 850 Evo 250GB > $80
WD Black 1TB > $70
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System: $450
Upgrades: $1100
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TOTAL= about $1550

This takes advantage of highly deprecated system and CPU's - the E5- 2690 cost $2.050 new. the results is a highly capable system which would have cost $9,000-11,000 new and which is reliable, quiet, and with good support. Importantly a system, may be purchased that doesn't have to be ordered,assembled, wired, configured, and etc- only upgraded and may be done gradually. For, example, after sorting it out and getting to work, eventually a 2nd E5-2690 ,bring RAM to 64GB and add faster M.2 disk.

The Quadro M4000 8GB is chosen to cover application that require high anti-aliasing and 10-bit color- which is about all the ones you're using. The Passmark M4000 3D performance is an average of 6434 similar to GTX 770 at 6147. So, gaming should be quite reasonable, though of course not GTX 1080 level.

As CPU's have more cores, the clock speed and single-thread performance drops, but with a reasonable rating and with a good GPU, especially a higher end, but depreciated one, this is completely workable. For examples:

E5-2620V4: Average Passmark CPU Rating: 11877 / Single Thread Rating: 1636
E5-2690: 14383 / 1878

My most recent project of this kind is for an Analysis / Simulation / Rendering system.

This was based on an HP z620, purchased for $270 as it had cosmetic defects:

HP z620 Xeon E5-1620 4-core @ 3.6 /3.8GHz) / 8GB (1X 8GB DDR3-1333) / AMD Firepro V5900 (2GB) / Seagate Barracuda 750GB + Samsung 500GB + WD 500GB
[ Passmark System Rating= 2468 / CPU= 8361 / 2D= 846 / 3D = 1613 / Mem =1584 / Disk = 574 ] 7.13.16

Purchased:

1X E5 2690: $345
2nd CPU Riser: $150
Kit: complete plastic case parts: $56
32GB RAM: $160
HP Z Turbo drive 256GB (Samsung SM951 M.2) : $150
Quadro K2200 and WD RE4 from previous system: value $250 and $30

So a reasonable investment with the result;

HP z620 (Rev 2) 2X Xeon E5-2690 (8-core @ 2.9 /3.8GHz) / 40GB DDR3-1600 ECC) / Quadro K2200 (4GB) / HP Z Turbo Drive (256GB) / 800W > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit > HP 2711x (27" 1980 X 1080)
[ Passmark System Rating= 5322 / CPU= 19675 / 2D= 767 / 3D = 3544/ Mem =2337 / Disk = 12951 ] 8.5.16

> Which happens to be the currently top-rated HP z620 of 157 tested, for a reasonable cost of about $1,500.

Other candidates for this system within the budget include: Dell Precision T5600, T7600, and HP z820. It might also be possible to configure an HP z420 or Dell Precision T3600 with a single high specification 8-core or 10- core E5 v2, in the budget, but as multi-threading continues to improve, a system that can expand to dual Xeons will be the most forward-looking.

Mainly, buying a used workstation can mean getting work in hours instead of days and day with building and the performance can be better for the same cost.

Cheers,

BamibBoom

Modeling:

HP z420 (2015) > Xeon E5-1660 v2 (6-core @ 3.7 / 4.0GHz) / 32GB DDR3 -1866 ECC RAM / Quadro K4200 (4GB) / Samsung SM951 M.2 256GB AHCI + Intel 730 480GB (9SSDSC2BP480G4R5) + Western Digital Black WD1003FZEX 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > 600W PSU> > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit > Logitech z2300 speakers > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440)>
[ Passmark Rating = 5581 > CPU= 14046 / 2D= 838 / 3D= 4694 / Mem= 2777 / Disk= 11559] [6.12.16]



















 

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You quote the entire post in order to write "gimme a sec"?

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IceMyth

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Hi,

The build I would think of is:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($324.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Enermax Liqmax II 120 96.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($63.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170MX-Gaming 5 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($136.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($112.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus Radeon RX 480 8GB ROG STRIX Video Card ($289.99 @ B&H)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Corsair CO-9050016-RLED 52.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($18.28 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Corsair CO-9050016-RLED 52.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($18.28 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Corsair CO-9050016-RLED 52.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($18.28 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1356.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-31 10:31 EDT-0400

Now if you added another GPU for CrossFire the prices will go up to $1646.74 but at this point you wont do any kind of upgrades in at least 10years.

Regards,
 

Rogue Leader

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Why would you post this build in this thread? You clearly did not read the users requirements in the slightest bit. Aside from the thread being nearly complete at this point.