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http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/blog/41/bitfenix-comrade-700-gaming-build

My client are looking for for same kind of gaming pc: - I done some research for parts - CPU mostly recommended by tomshardware is Core i5-4690S but client also clime i7 will be better - question is if i5 with less price is going to be same performance as i7?
• we need Motherboard same type - only with wifi adapter on-board;
• is 8GB RAM will be enough memory for run today's games
• How that MSI Radeon card - i red GeForce GTX 650 or later better benchmark
• and finally 550W power supply is enough capacity for run all components here
Waiting for some advices all will be appreciate Thank you
 
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Having the expensive memory in my build was a mistake. It should have been the DDR3-1600 CL8 1.5v modules (which are $3 more than the CL9 modules).

Speed does matter, but you can't ignore latency. DDR3-1333 CL8 performs the same as DDR3-1600 CL9 which performs the same as DDR3-1866 CL10 which performs the same as DDR3-2133 CL11 and so...
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CPU - An i5 is a better processor for gaming. On a budget there is nothing wrong with an i3 though...
MEM - 8GB (2x4GB) is perfectly fine for gaming. You can always add more later.
GPU - The GTX 650 is a solid card for single monitor gaming, however the GTX 750 Ti would be a better purchase.
PSU - 550w is plenty of power for a single GPU setup. Stick with Antec, XFX or Seasonic for quality units. There are others, however these are staples (check out the XFX 550w).

Is your budget at that $700 mark?
 
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Core i5-4690S? Why?

A core i7-4770k/4790k are just like the i5-4670k/4690k, but with hyperthreading. That makes 4 more logical cores and boosts performance anywhere from 10-50%, depending on what is being tested. You do not really need a 4770k or 4790k, or any i7 for that matter for gaming. A core i5-4690k should be perfectly fine for gaming. For a motherboard, http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132117&AID=10657534&PID=3938566&SID=&nm_mc=AFC-C8JunctionCA&cm_mmc=AFC-C8JunctionCA-_-na-_-na-_-na is a great board with Wi-Fi built in. You could also instead just get an ASUS Z97-A and put in a PCI-E Wifi adapter for a lower price with the same performance. As for the MSI Radeon card, I would go with the MSI Radeon R7 260X or MSI Radeon R9 270(X). They are great cards and I have 2 MSI Radeon R9 270X's with my 4770k. GREAT benchmark scores and gaming performance. As for RAM, get dual channel 4 GB. I would go for the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231554&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID= for the best price/performance. Great RAM sticks and I will in fact be upgrading to those soon. For the power supply, I would get an 80+ Bronze/Silver 550-600W PSU, especially if you/your client are overclocking the components like the GPU, CPU, and RAM. Your client/you are going to have a great time with this PC. Best luck to you.
 
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1. For gaming, spend 2x your cpu budget on the graphics card.
A GTX650 is a bit low end for what I think your budget is.
Look for a GTX750ti or R7-265.
You will get fair value from amd or nvidia at any price point.
For gaming, buy the strongest card the budget allows.
On a specific card, I like to look at the negative reviews to see what verified newegg purchasers have to say. I would avoid those specific cards that have a larger proportion of bad reviews.

2. i5-4690S is a low power part and is slower and more expensive than the non "S" versions.
I do not see it anywhere on tom's best gaming cpu's for the money article:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106.html
A strong duo with hyperthreading like the i3-4130 would be appropriate.
If you want a stronger quad, then a i5-4590.
Few games can use more than 2-3 cores, hence the suitability of a fast duo like the i3-4130.
Accordingly, the extra hyperthreads of a i7 will go largely unused in games.
3. Few games can use more than 2-3gb. 8gb ram is fine.
4. 550w will run any card up to a R9-280 or a GTX770.
But... buy only a high quality psu.
Tier 1 or 2 on this list:
https://community.newegg.com/eggxpert/computer_hardware/f/135081/t/45344.aspx?Redirected=true
 
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Why the expensive DDR3? The CAS latency won't do much in gaming, higher frequency is much better. 2133 MHz with 9 CAS latency is probably the best for the budget.
 
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On ram, speed vs. cas does not matter much except for synthetic ram benchmarks.
If you calculate the speed/cas ratio, you get 1600/7= 228 for one set and 2133/9 = 237 for the other.
In real app performance or fps, the difference is in the 1-2% range.
 
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Yes, but it is still there. The RAM I linked is also cheaper than the RAM you linked. Speed does matter, because 2,133,000,000 times/second versus 1,600,000,000 is pretty big. The CAS latency mostly helps with rendering and quick RAM operation. It is true that it barely makes a difference in these days, but future applications may. Compression and extraction also benefit from higher frequency.
 
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Having the expensive memory in my build was a mistake. It should have been the DDR3-1600 CL8 1.5v modules (which are $3 more than the CL9 modules).

Speed does matter, but you can't ignore latency. DDR3-1333 CL8 performs the same as DDR3-1600 CL9 which performs the same as DDR3-1866 CL10 which performs the same as DDR3-2133 CL11 and so on... While it may not make a huge performance difference, cost effective low latency modules are still the better buy IMHO. Going with "fast" modules (DDR3-2133) is not an absolute no-no in my opinion, but keeping 1.5v modules is. There is no need to generate more heat for a very little payoff...
 
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The RAM I chose is CL9 2133 MHz RAM at $82.99, and the RAM you picked is CL7 1600MHz for $89.99. Both, which your explanation proves, are about equal, but this RAM is also cheaper and can be underclocked to DDR3-1600 @ 1.5 V and have identical stats at a lower price. You can also feel confident that you can go to higher speeds. As somebody who has DDR3-1600 CL9 RAM (single channel derp), I experienced a great performance boost by going to DDR3-2133 CL12. I always thought that my CPU was a bottleneck (formerly an 8320) to my GPUs, but it turned out that my RAM being overclocked, despite your reasoning of CL9 1600 MHz being equal to CL12 2133 MHz RAM, so higher clockspeeds in many cases work better.
 
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