Best LGA1366 for overclocking/gaming to replace P6T Deluxe V2

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Hi,

I am in need of replacing my ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 motherboard. It was very effective at overclocking my CPU (I had about a 60% OC on my i7 920). I am looking the best possible motherboard for overclocking at a price around $350 or less. I have already looked at the Gigabyte G1 Sniper and Asus Rampage III but am unsure which would be better or if there is a sleeper out there I haven't found. Any suggestions/help would be greatly appreicated.
 

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LGA1366 is dead. Intel will actually stop making processors for this chipset by the end of the year: http://www.tweaktown.com/news/20417/wave_goodbye_to_20_processors_from_intel_by_the_end_of_the_year/index.html

I would not sink any more money into 1366. Your budget is 350 which is great for a 1155 mobo and a 2500k processor.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072 - 220

Asrock extreme4
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157229 - 150

For 20 dollars more than your current budget, you get a much longer shelf life and a good mobo to OC with.
 

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Not a bad suggestion. I didnt even think of totally upgrading my chipset...hmm maybe a dead mobo was a blessing.

In your opinion, would there be any benefit in going up to the i7-2600k?
 
Sandy Bridge 'as we know it' is soon there after dead with LGA 2011 and Ivy Bridge. The current Sandy Bridge will have a much shorter lifespan than the LGA 1366...

You might want to look before labeling -> http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

LGA 1366 is more than i7 930/955, it also includes LGA 1366 Xeon which can access 288GB and the Xeon LGA 1155 craps-out at 32GB.

I'll take my year-plus old i7 980X against any i7-2600K, I can 5GHz with 6-core ;)
 

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The LGA 1366 Xeon is by no stretch of the imagination flying off the shelves...I would put money on the fact that the 2600k outsells the xeon by more than a 20 to 1 margin.

Also, the i7 980x sells for twice the price of the 2600k...definitely not mainstream. In any situation, my initial recommendation stands, 1366 is pretty much dead. From a price to performance perspective, xeon is not worth it. Just like from a price to performance perspective, a tri sli or tri cf setup is not worth it.

LGA 1155 will be compatible with ivy bridge and since ivy bridge is delayed, you will get much longer shelf life going LGA 1155.

 

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When will LGA 2011 come out? Ivy bridge is delayed and I presume LGA 2011 will be also...I doubt it will come out even by Q1 2012...

http://lenzfire.com/2011/07/intel-sandy-bridge-e-x79-lga-2011-release-date-january-2012/

Even when lga 2011 does come out with the processors, when will the mainstream solutions be released and at what price? Waiting for technology is a losing game....

 
The Core i7 Extreme 3960X is due out in November 2011 or 'Q4 2011' the Core i7 Extreme 3980X Q1 2012. I Don't know when or IF a SB-E (8-core) will be released, it 'was' slated...

I've guessed before 3960X/3980X = $700~$1000, the Core i7 3930K $450~$600 = GUESSING.

I'm not 'mainstream' - hopefully never will be either; in my world the i7 930's I have are 'mainstream'. You're construing LGA 1155 with Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge, the Ivy Bridge is LGA 1155 and that's the beginning and end, the Ivy Bridge besides being more efficient and ~20% faster has PCIe 3.0 -- meaning you'll have to toss your current LGA 1155 MOBO to see the PCIe benefits plus the additional new chipsets features.

LGA 1156/LGA 1155 = Consumer Line {aka Mainstream} ; since day 1

LGA 1366/LGA 2011 = Extreme Line ; since day 1

The Ivy Bridge will arrive in about March and the SB-E should have been released already *** CAUSE -> FAILED P67/H67 B2 chipsets *** Intel purposely delayed both SB-E & Ivy Bridge to make-up for lost sales time = money.

You gotta understand -- not everyone's the same, in my area people can afford this easily. However, because of the recession and from what I've known since 2005 pricing is very unpredictable -- we are guaranteed another equally harsh recession -> http://i1013.photobucket.com/albums/af254/Jaquith/ForeclosureOptionARM.jpg so I seriously doubt Intel will charge like they have in the past; we'll see.

In my world {small data center} I have close to the opposite, (1) i7 9xx : (18) Xeon {2-4 CPUs (LGA 1567)}. 9.99/10 this site and most every other site you visit, financial centers, most anything commercial are being run on LGA 1366/1567 Xeon. LGA 1366 is going to be around for a sometime yet.
 

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nice explanation. Only thing is there are now mobos coming out with pcie 3.0 support with ivy bridge..ie. the asrock extreme4 gen3
 

I know of them and I posted them prior to their release -> http://www.asrock.com/microsite/PCIe3/overview.html , and I have my reservations on will/how the Ivy Bridge will 'see' {SWITCH} the PCIe 3.0 on those MOBOs. My feeling it's another 'bastardized' attempt to 'sell' MOBOs using the PCIe 3.0 with questionable Ivy Bridge support; I get the pathways.

Also, knowing the PCIe 2.x x8 -> x16 0-6FPS gains -> PCIe 3.0 {??}FPS gains ; this further requires everything to be PCIe 3.0 {MOBO, CPU & GPU(s)} to have any benefits. I'm 'hoping' to see 4-WAY SLI, but I can see the PCIe lanes division arguments holding it back.

Again, since EVERYTHING MUST be PCIe 3.0 MOBO, CPU & GPU(s) I see no compelling reason to 'piecemeal' with added risk of compatibility an ASRock Gen 3. You argue the 'cost' of the i7 990X - tossing in the garbage GPU(s) and a Sandy Bridge CPU is completely foolish, a waste of money, and totally cost ineffective - makes the 990X damn cheap. Imagine if Intel decided to sell the i7 990X for the same price as the i7-2600K ** which would you buy?? ** IF you say SB then that's totally CrAzY.

Intel-Ivy-Bridge-Chipsets-Detailed-Includes-Z77-Z75-and-H77-Consumer-Models-4.jpg
 

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Maybe I'm confused but isn't everything on the asrock gen3 pcie3 compatiable - the mobo says it is, ivy bridge will be and can be used on the gen3, and of course the gpu will need to be too and can be because of the pcie3.0 slot..so what is the diff between the gen3 and what you might call "true pcie 3 compatible setups?"

 

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Yes, you should link them to this:
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/20417/wave_goodbye_to_20_processors_from_intel_by_the_end_of_the_year/index.html

Actually, there are still many laptops being produced that are core duos - should I assume core duo is alive and well?

Those mobo makers are just trying to squeeze out all the money out of the 1366 before it dies..that is not a subjective opinion but a fact.

Intel is labeling it EOL - END OF LIFE. lol, if I scheduled a funeral and asked you to attend, would that make you feel better?

LGA 1155's production will not be stopped. I don;t know what else to say...
 

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I am in need of replacing my ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 motherboard. It was very effective at overclocking my CPU (I had about a 60% OC on my i7 920). I am looking the best possible motherboard for overclocking at a price around $350 or less. I have already looked at the Gigabyte G1 Sniper and Asus Rampage III but am unsure which would be better or if there is a sleeper out there I haven't found. Any suggestions/help would be greatly appreicated.


Frankly, the Sandy Bridge vs 1366 debate is completely irrelevant in this case. OP already has a i7 920 -- this is a chip selling for nearly $200 on eBay and it will handle anything you will throw at it.

I recommend you stick with X58; the EVGA X58 board jaquith suggested. Given EVGA's brand reputation, it will likely have fantastic resale value when you do move on to another chipset.

In my opinion -- there was never any reason for anyone to go from 1366->1155 unless they have cash to burn. You wouldn't see much of a speed increase for today's performance-applications.
 

Reality check, again, say you buy an LGA 1155 PCIe 3.0 MOBO - today - then what??!! Both your CPU and GPU(s) are running PCIe 2.x -- so you you trash your Sandy Bridge {eBay} and trash your GPUs {eBay} when the Ivy Bridge and PCIe 3.0 GPU(s) become available on a - then old Chipset??!! It's lunacy.

Next, you hope an pray -- after your lunacy episode -- that there isn't some oopsy compatibility issue with the ASRock. I hate to see yet another Class Action Lawsuit over potentially false claims -- there's been too many similar statements of assumed facts turning into fiction.

There's no upside other than ASRock finding some way to convince people to buy their stuff.

Simply I have to see it to know it.

The quickest path to full PCIe 3.0 is the SB-E, LGA 2011 MOBO and 'hopefully' soon a GPU that justifies PCIe 3.0; operative word 'justifies.' My money is when the first PCIe 3.0 high-end GPUs are tested -- it's going to be WTH?! 0-2FPS.
 

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It's not lunacy. Sinking more money into a dead chipset is lunacy. You call LGA 1155 an "old chipset" by the time LGA 2011 comes out then what does that make LGA 1366 - ancient? If he gets another LGA 1366 mobo and wants to upgrade to 2011, he has to dump the GPU, CPU, AND mobo. At least in my scenario, he can keep the mobo.

As far as compatibility issues - why is ASrock more likely to have compatibility issues than gigabyte or asus when they release their pcie3 boards?

"quickest path" is relative. LGA 2011 is not due out for another 4 months at least. With all the delays I've been hearing about, it is likely that will be an additional 1-2 months.

Original OP is faced with two situations

1) Buy another 1366 mobo that supports processors that intel is telling everyone has reached their End of life (intel's words, not mine) OR
2) go 1155 with some of the new mobos that support future tech ie. pcie 3.0

People are telling the OP to spend 250 on a 1366 mobo and I'm a lunatic lol
 
You are somehow calculating in your mind that the i7 920 is worthless and has no computing power?!

To me it's all value => $ Money In -> Performance Out

Hard-line gaming approach:

Costs
$220 i5-2500K
$240 GA-Z68X-UD5-B3
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$460

$0 i7 920
$220 EVGA X58 FTW3 132-GT-E768-KR
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$220
Leaving $240 credit - Choices: 1. $240 in wallet, 2. Spending Spree.

Say the OP has a e.g. GTX 470
$190 GTX 470
$50 3x2GB
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$460

Compare SAME MONEY:
i5-2500K + GTX 470 + 6GB vs i7 920 + 2-WAY SLI GTX 470 + 12GB ; let do some benching and gaming ;)

The OLD POS i7 920 will, for the same outlay of $, kick the crap out of the SB. IF the OP wants PCIe then LGA 2011 - it'll kick the crap out of the SB + Gen 3 ASRock and by the time you factor in the roller coaster of ASRock Gen 3, wasted money and time - none of this makes any sence. Further, if the OP is getting >60FPS, you know this argument, then those frames are bye-bye unless you have a 120Hz monitor.

I do enjoy crazy high benching, but in the Real World it amounts to nothing.

When you start upping the AA to say 8xAA or higher the CPU is not the bottleneck, it's the GPU(s). I argued this point with Tom when he did is LGA 1366 vs LGA 1155. Who's going to look at 0xAA or 4xAA??
 

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My recommendation:
Sell i7 920 = 200 (supposedly that is the going price on ebay as one poster pointed out)
ASRock P67 EXTREME4 GEN3 LGA 1155 (160) + I5 2500k (220) = $380

380-200 = $160

EVGA X58 FTW3 132-GT-E768-KR = $220
i7 920 = 0

None of my posts have I suggested to get a UD5. Why? Because the extreme gen3 can get to 5ghz no prob.

http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/asrock_z68_extreme4_gen3_review,1.html

A z68 but there is no performance or OC diff between the z68 and p67. So I am not recommending a UD5.

What do you get with my recommendation? A chipset that doesn't have a death date that is the end of this year.
 

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You're forgetting transactions costs -- eBay takes about 10% of every thing you sell. For things you would buy, you're on the hook for sales tax and shipping. The case for upgrading from X58 to Sandy Bridge really breaks down.

There is also the hassle factor. What exactly are you getting for all your trouble? A marginally faster Sandy Bridge system? It's not going to make OP's games run at a faster frame rate; it's not going to make his OS load noticably faster.

And in terms of obsolescence -- how many more 1155 processors is Intel gonna make? The days of 775 form factor after 775 form factor are over. After the 2600k, there's no where to upgrade. Might as well stick with the processor he has now until an actual upgrade path opens...
 
So you feel 5GHz and a vCore of 1.45v is good? Versus UD5 vCore of 1.30v. Say you have a +0.05~+0.10v CPU variance - poof goes your obtainable OC. vCore 1.45v and higher will either Thermally limit you and/or toast your SB in a year - maybe year and a half.

The going price on eBay for use i7 920 used is $130~$150.
 

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I know UD5 is better if all things were equal..I'm just saying from a price to performance perspective, the asrock gen3 is better. more features, same ability to oc, much cheaper price.

To be honest, I didn;t even check ebay, I just quoted what fullofzen said.

Even if he cannot sell his i7 920...to tell the guy to spend 220 of his hard earned cash for a 1366 mobo in this day and age should be a crime. what's the number for the police...
 

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Hey, a year to a year in half LGA 2011 should be out right? haha j/k

If your temps are good, I have been told to stay under 1.5v. I think it all depends on the temps and the quality of the processor you get. If OC'ing over 5ghz is the OP's goal, then I would go ud5. However, most people stay under 5ghz.
 
I saw that retarded "16 CPUs, One Core Each" article - it's stupid; what kind of dip$hit is going to disable 3 core much-less 5 cores.

I had this visual - like running a 5K: on your a$$ vs on your knees vs on your bare feet vs wearing shoes vs being pulled my a golf cart vs etc....

This is getting really goofy - come on...