[SOLVED] Bottleneck?

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I have an Rx 480 which i recently bought, i used to have an r9 270 but ive not noticed a big performance boost like i expected, i have an i5-4590 which i thought wouldve been perfectly capable so i was asking if i should upgrade to i7-4790 or if there is a problem with cpu/gpu. my ram is 8gb 1333mhz
 

Darkbreeze

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Not trying to be rude but do you know what you are talking about?
Yes, he does. More than probably 99% of the "supposedly expert" members on any forum you'd care to go to. And he's 100% correct that replacing the graphics card isn't what gives you an increase in frame rates, in most cases.

Replacing the graphics card allows you to increase graphical settings. GPU renders frames but rates are controlled by the capability and performance of the CPU. Now, it's totally possible to SEE an increase in frame rates sometimes by replacing the graphics card IF you are being bound by the GPU at a specific quality setting configuration, but what WILL NOT change is what the ACTUAL maximum frame rates CAN BE if you are using the same CPU.

You could put a 3080 ti in there and with the same CPU it's very unlikely that you're going to exceed the existing frame rates, ESPECIALLY at low quality settings. The lower you set the quality settings for just about any game, the MORE the CPU is in play. The higher the quality settings, the more the GPU is in play. So yes, in your scenario the most PROBABLE upgrade you could do without changing platforms (Meaning new CPU, motherboard and memory, to newer generation) would be to source and install a compatible Haswell i7 such as the 4790 or 4790k. Since you have a locked model CPU then overclocking is out of the question for all realistic intents and purposes. Upgrading to an i7 may offer some increase in performance but most especially for titles that are highly optimized for multithreaded performance.

For titles that are primarily single threaded, upgrading to the 4790 would only give you a slight bump in single core performance with it's 4Ghz turbo boost as compared to the 3.7 boost on your 4590, and the 4790k would offer a bit more respectable single core gain with it's 4.4Ghz max boost, giving it a total of a 700mhz boost over your 4590. Now, whether or not that is an upgrade WORTH doing in terms of performance versus cost will depend entirely on if you can find one, how much you can get it for and whether that even makes sense for you or not.

Personally, I'd say given the age of your system and your statement about being a competitive player, that a whole platform upgrade makes a lot more sense but it seems rather dubious to see a "competitive" player using hardware like an R9 270, or even an RX 480, and a platform with a CPU that is 7 years old.
 
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First off, what is leading you to think "bottleneck"?
That is a meaningless term.

What performance boost were you looking to get?

The CPU is (mostly) in charge of the FPS, the GPU is in charge of the eyecandy.

Putting in a better GPU allows you to get better graphics, at the same frame rate as previous.
 
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Not trying to be rude but do you know what you are talking about? putting in a new gpu 100% boosts framerate otherwise i wouldnt buy a gpu and just have cpu because im not bothered about high settings as i am more of a competitive player
 

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Not trying to be rude but do you know what you are talking about? putting in a new gpu 100% boosts framerate otherwise i wouldnt buy a gpu and just have cpu because im not bothered about high settings as i am more of a competitive player
Not to be rude, but you're wrong.
In your world, what part does the CPU play in this?

Lets see what other people might chime in with...;)
 
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Ok sure but you just said you get better graphics with a better gpu and the same frame rate, what do you mean by better graphics if i have no interest in turning graphical settings up, also what you said was wrong
 

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Ok sure but you just said you get better graphics with a better gpu and the same frame rate, what do you mean by better graphics if i have no interest in turning graphical settings up, also what you said was wrong
Putting in a better GPU allows you to increase the graphics settings.

If that is not the benefit you are looking for, you changed the wrong part.
 

Darkbreeze

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Not trying to be rude but do you know what you are talking about?
Yes, he does. More than probably 99% of the "supposedly expert" members on any forum you'd care to go to. And he's 100% correct that replacing the graphics card isn't what gives you an increase in frame rates, in most cases.

Replacing the graphics card allows you to increase graphical settings. GPU renders frames but rates are controlled by the capability and performance of the CPU. Now, it's totally possible to SEE an increase in frame rates sometimes by replacing the graphics card IF you are being bound by the GPU at a specific quality setting configuration, but what WILL NOT change is what the ACTUAL maximum frame rates CAN BE if you are using the same CPU.

You could put a 3080 ti in there and with the same CPU it's very unlikely that you're going to exceed the existing frame rates, ESPECIALLY at low quality settings. The lower you set the quality settings for just about any game, the MORE the CPU is in play. The higher the quality settings, the more the GPU is in play. So yes, in your scenario the most PROBABLE upgrade you could do without changing platforms (Meaning new CPU, motherboard and memory, to newer generation) would be to source and install a compatible Haswell i7 such as the 4790 or 4790k. Since you have a locked model CPU then overclocking is out of the question for all realistic intents and purposes. Upgrading to an i7 may offer some increase in performance but most especially for titles that are highly optimized for multithreaded performance.

For titles that are primarily single threaded, upgrading to the 4790 would only give you a slight bump in single core performance with it's 4Ghz turbo boost as compared to the 3.7 boost on your 4590, and the 4790k would offer a bit more respectable single core gain with it's 4.4Ghz max boost, giving it a total of a 700mhz boost over your 4590. Now, whether or not that is an upgrade WORTH doing in terms of performance versus cost will depend entirely on if you can find one, how much you can get it for and whether that even makes sense for you or not.

Personally, I'd say given the age of your system and your statement about being a competitive player, that a whole platform upgrade makes a lot more sense but it seems rather dubious to see a "competitive" player using hardware like an R9 270, or even an RX 480, and a platform with a CPU that is 7 years old.
 
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Not trying to be rude but do you know what you are talking about? putting in a new gpu 100% boosts framerate otherwise i wouldnt buy a gpu and just have cpu because im not bothered about high settings as i am more of a competitive player
The irony is strong with this one. CPU determines framerate, graphics card amount of eye candy.

Not to be rude, but coming here and asking for assistance, then calling out all the correct answers you've been given is extremely poor form.
 

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