Brand new PC Build, randomly freezes, general interface lag.

[sebastianbelfonti]

Just built my new PC. Launched my first game, and after ~10 minutes the system froze, no sound, no mouse response or anything. After ~5 minutes the PC shuts down, and when I reload there is not a crash log or anything. I've tried updating all drivers (or at least the ones I've found)/scanning with Antivirus/and even switching out the RAM. Nothing fixes the issue..

NOTE: on Skyrim launch, the computer constantly crashes, and when DOTA 2 plays for about 5-10 minutes there is always a crash. There has never been a time these programs have not crashed.

My Specs:
Desktop
AMD FX9590
Gigabyte 990 fxa-UD3
16 gigs of 1600mhz RAM
Win 10 PRO 64 bit
GEFORCE GTX 1070

Any help would be super appreciated, this is super frustrating! Thank you guys!

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

Typical issue with a 9590 setup and rarely gets solved , what PSU and cooler and revision of the board?

 

[sebastianbelfonti]

Typical issue with a 9590 setup and rarely gets solved , what PSU and cooler and revision of the board?

I have an EVGA 750W Modular
EVO 212 Cooler (heating isn't an issue runs between 40-50 while gaming)
The board is rev 4 (I assume? Bought the board off a friend and I don't know exactly but the RAM slots are black and gray, and I only see that color combo on the 4)

Thank you, this is stressing me out more than you can believe

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

You can't cool a 9590 with a 212.

 

[sebastianbelfonti]

You can't cool a 9590 with a 212.

The temp has never exceeded 50c /:

 

[COLGeek]

Underclocking the CPU, to FX-8350 equivalent speeds/settings will resolve these stability issues, on some occasions.

The FX-9xxx series of CPUs is notorious for these types of issues. They run too hot and draw too much power for many configs.

 

[Darkbreeze]

It doesn't have to be the CPU overheating to have the system freezing. This is a VERY common problem with the FX 9xxx series chips causing VRM OVERHEATING.

While I have to agree that it is VERY unlikely you can adequately cool an FX-9590 with a 212 EVO, in fact, I'd also agree that it's probably nigh impossible, there could be other factors involved too.

You don't make any mention of what case, how many case fans or in what orientation those case fans are? Knowing that would help.

Having a better CPU cooler would help too. AMD insists that only water cooling is sufficient for the FX-9590, but we know that a handful of the big air coolers can usually handle it as well. The Hyper 212 EVO is neither of those.

Just because you are only seeing 50°C core temperatures according to whatever it is you are using to read temps (I recommend CoreTemp) does not mean that the CPU cooler and case exhaust fans are supplying enough residual airflow over the motherboard VRMs to keep them from overheating and causing instability and freezing. MANY people, even with ALL the recommended hardware in the PROPER configuration, have had to additionally add jury rigged fans to supply direct airflow for the VRMs in order to keep the system stable.

If the ambient temperature in your region, or in the room where the PC is located, is rather high, that can cause issues as well. Keeping room temperatures as low as possible, within reason, can somewhat help when used along with all the other recommendations. Bottom line is, these CPUs are almost unmanageable without significant CPU, case and VRM cooling.

 

[sebastianbelfonti]

It doesn't have to be the CPU overheating to have the system freezing. This is a VERY common problem with the FX 9xxx series chips causing VRM OVERHEATING.

While I have to agree that it is VERY unlikely you can adequately cool an FX-9590 with a 212 EVO, in fact, I'd also agree that it's probably nigh impossible, there could be other factors involved too.

You don't make any mention of what case, how many case fans or in what orientation those case fans are? Knowing that would help.

Having a better CPU cooler would help too. AMD insists that only water cooling is sufficient for the FX-9590, but we know that a handful of the big air coolers can usually handle it as well. The Hyper 212 EVO is neither of those.

Just because you are only seeing 50°C core temperatures according to whatever it is you are using to read temps (I recommend CoreTemp) does not mean that the CPU cooler and case exhaust fans are supplying enough residual airflow over the motherboard VRMs to keep them from overheating and causing instability and freezing. MANY people, even with ALL the recommended hardware in the PROPER configuration, have had to additionally add jury rigged fans to supply direct airflow for the VRMs in order to keep the system stable.

If the ambient temperature in your region, or in the room where the PC is located, is rather high, that can cause issues as well. Keeping room temperatures as low as possible, within reason, can somewhat help when used along with all the other recommendations. Bottom line is, these CPUs are almost unmanageable without significant CPU, case and VRM cooling.

I have a Corsair Vengeance G70, with two fans running over the board(one in and one out) unfortunately my board only has 2 spots for fans!! It would make some sense if the cooling was inadequate.. it just sucks because I have 0 clue what is going on.

 

[Rogue Leader]

What are you measuring your temps with because I am 100% sure unless you live in an igloo that CPU is not running at 50c with a 212.

Your system is displaying typical FX-9590 overheat behavior. Thats definitely what is happening. That CPU needs a 240mm liquid cooler, just to operate normally.

 

[sebastianbelfonti]

What are you measuring your temps with because I am 100% sure unless you live in an igloo that CPU is not running at 50c with a 212.

Your system is displaying typical FX-9590 overheat behavior. Thats definitely what is happening. That CPU needs a 240mm liquid cooler, just to operate normally.

Do you think it'd be possible to just install ~4 fans in the case to cool it? Or do I NEED water cooling? I really don't want to drop an extra $100

 

[Rogue Leader]

What are you measuring your temps with because I am 100% sure unless you live in an igloo that CPU is not running at 50c with a 212.

Your system is displaying typical FX-9590 overheat behavior. Thats definitely what is happening. That CPU needs a 240mm liquid cooler, just to operate normally.

Do you think it'd be possible to just install ~4 fans in the case to cool it? Or do I NEED water cooling? I really don't want to drop an extra $100

The extra fans will do nothing for you. You need to get the heat away from that CPU.

Your best bet? Pack all this stuff up and return it. You bought one of the worst processors ever. Then take that money and buy an Ryzen 3 1300X , motherboard, and DDR4 ram.

If you can't buy that your ONLY choice is a 240mm AIO. There is no getting around it, that CPU needs super cooling.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I can't argue that these are terrible processors, but in this case I think I have to disagree that it's unsalvageable.

To start with, your fan configuration is wrong. Also, I think you meant C70, as there is no Corsair Vengeance G70.

Top case fans should NEVER be configured for intake, unless there is a radiator in play at that location.

Your front fans should ALWAYS be configured as intake fans and your top and rear fans should almost always, always if it's an air cooled configuration, be configured as exhaust fans.

All you are doing with that configuration is creating a hot, swirling mess into the case and creating massive turbulence. Dropping an extra hundred bucks, at least, is probably a foregone conclusion, however, let's see what can be done.

How many case fans, TOTAL, do you have right now? EXACTLY where are they located?

Even before THAT however, I think it would be wise to do THIS:

http://www.overclock.net/t/902756/amd-overclock-guide-for-newbs

Simply reverse the process (Underclock aka Downclock), setting the clock speed to FX-8350 speeds by adjusting the multiplier and voltage appropriately. There might still be lingering issues to deal with, certainly, because these are high leakage chips which are not very efficient, but at least turning it down to FX-8350 speeds will allow you to use the system since I'm fairly certain that whoever you purchased it from is unlikely to take it back once it's been setup and used. You can try though. There are certainly FAR better options to be had for a similar price if you bought this new and can return it. If not, then you'll have to deal with it by trying to either manage the problems by reducing the problems, or get yourself a VERY good motherboard and CPU cooler.

My way will be less expensive, but you will lose some performance. The other way will hopefully retain the stock performance, but will probably cost you around 200 bucks.

And before you do anything else, if you only have two fans in that case, you need to move one of them to the rear exhaust location next to the IO inputs, and move the other one to the front as an intake. Make sure the actual airflow orientation of the fans themselves is correct. Front should be sucking cooler ambient air INTO the case, rear (and top, when you get fans to go up top, which you WILL need to do) should be blowing hot air OUT of the case.

 

[Rogue Leader]

Yeah if you're willing to crank it down a lot then it MAY work ok. But if you want to get what you paid for you need the AIO.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I've seen, and on at least two occasions myself, seen them work fine on air at their intended speeds but you'll need a cooler like the Noctua NH-D14, NH-D15, Cryorig R1, Phanteks PH-TC14PE or above or Thermalright Silver arrow IB-E extreme, something along those lines. Anything less and potentially even WITH one of those depending on the rest of the cooling system, is not going to cut it at stock configuration.

 

[Rogue Leader]

I've seen, and on at least two occasions myself, seen them work fine on air at their intended speeds but you'll need a cooler like the Noctua NH-D14, NH-D15, Cryorig R1, Phanteks PH-TC14PE or above or Thermalright Silver arrow IB-E extreme, something along those lines. Anything less and potentially even WITH one of those depending on the rest of the cooling system, is not going to cut it at stock configuration.

I'd have to see that in person, only way I'd believe that is if it was in a meat locker lol

 

[sebastianbelfonti]

Just finally got home from Florida. Set my under lock settings to 4.0 GHz and 1.325V.. after the BIOS screen it says there was a problem booting due to incompatability with hardware! This PC is troubling! Any help would be appreciated

 

[Darkbreeze]

Try resetting the BIOS by removing the CMOS battery, then go back into the bios and reset the CPU multi and voltage values. Make sure the memory is set to it's primary AMP or XMP profile or even a lower default setting, at least to start.