Broadcom Fiber nic

[badvlad]

Hi all: I have a Nortel 524GT 24 ports 10/100/1000 BaseT with 4 shared SFP ports, and I am trying to hook it up to a Broadcom BCM957710A1020G, windows device manager sees it as a QLogic BCM57710 10 Gigabit Ethernet (NDIS VBD Client). and even though I have it connected it shows up as cable unplugged. I am new to fiber, can anyone tell me whats wrong?

Nic;
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/152006273751

Switch:
http://www.cnet.com/products/nortel-ethernet-routing-switch-4524gt-switch-24-ports-managed-desktop-series/

Running windows 10

 

[kanewolf]

The the switch is 1GE fiber since it is SFP and not SFP+. You 10GE cards don't work with a 1GE switch.

If you look at this datasheet -- https://www.avaya.com/usa/documents/avaya-ethernet-routing-switch-4500-series-dn4816.pdf you will see that you need a 4526GTX to get 10GE and that is using XFP sized optics.

 

[badvlad]

The the switch is 1GE fiber since it is SFP and not SFP+. You 10GE cards don't work with a 1GE switch.

If you look at this datasheet -- https://www.avaya.com/usa/documents/avaya-ethernet-routing-switch-4500-series-dn4816.pdf you will see that you need a 4526GTX to get 10GE and that is using XFP sized optics.

Thank you very much for the info - does any one have a recommendation for a new switch. I need to have 2 switches linked together between 2 houses at 10gb - and it has to be compatible with my 10gb fiber cards-> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/152006273751 - something with at least 4x 10gb ports and 24 cat 6 ports.

 

[kanewolf]

The the switch is 1GE fiber since it is SFP and not SFP+. You 10GE cards don't work with a 1GE switch.

If you look at this datasheet -- https://www.avaya.com/usa/documents/avaya-ethernet-routing-switch-4500-series-dn4816.pdf you will see that you need a 4526GTX to get 10GE and that is using XFP sized optics.

Thank you very much for the info - does any one have a recommendation for a new switch. I need to have 2 switches linked together between 2 houses at 10gb - and it has to be compatible with my 10gb fiber cards-> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/152006273751 - something with at least 4x 10gb ports and 24 cat 6 ports.

Switches with 4 10GE SFP+ ports are going to be fairly expensive even in the used equipment market. Stacked switches might be a way to get 4 10GE ports but you end up with more copper.

 

[badvlad]

The the switch is 1GE fiber since it is SFP and not SFP+. You 10GE cards don't work with a 1GE switch.

If you look at this datasheet -- https://www.avaya.com/usa/documents/avaya-ethernet-routing-switch-4500-series-dn4816.pdf you will see that you need a 4526GTX to get 10GE and that is using XFP sized optics.

Thank you very much for the info - does any one have a recommendation for a new switch. I need to have 2 switches linked together between 2 houses at 10gb - and it has to be compatible with my 10gb fiber cards-> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/152006273751 - something with at least 4x 10gb ports and 24 cat 6 ports.

Switches with 4 10GE SFP+ ports are going to be fairly expensive even in the used equipment market. Stacked switches might be a way to get 4 10GE ports but you end up with more copper.

Can I connect 2 of these switches (4526GTX) over the 10GE port? Can you recommend what type of cable and transceiver. Thanks for your help I really appreciate it.

 

[kanewolf]

How far apart do these switches need to be? You would need an 10GBASE-SR XFP to do up to 300M on multimode (50micron fiber LC to LC).

Those parts are available on E-Bay for about $30 each. Make sure you search for AVAYA XFP if you are going to get a 4526GXT.

You would use the same parts and fiber to connect the NIC to the switch.

 

[badvlad]

How far apart do these switches need to be? You would need an 10GBASE-SR XFP to do up to 300M on multimode (50micron fiber LC to LC).

Those parts are available on E-Bay for about $30 each. Make sure you search for AVAYA XFP if you are going to get a 4526GXT.

You would use the same parts and fiber to connect the NIC to the switch.

Would you recommend this one or is there something better out there? my run would be under 300 meters, I want to connect 2 houses to my house (total of 3 switches house A ->B and House A ->C) at 10GE and if possible have a third port free for one of those 10GE fiber cards. Thanks again!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nortel-Avaya-AL4500A06-E6-4526GTX-24-Port-4x-SFP-2x-10G-XFP-Layer-3-Switch-/161907473260?hash=item25b26ffb6c:g:arUAAOSwbdpWYL3R

 

[kanewolf]

If you buy two of the switches for house "A", then you can use the stacking capability (see the picture of the back side of the switch, there are "cascade" ports). That would potentially give you 4 XFP ports at house "A". You will need to purchase direct burial OM4 fiber to the length you need. Terminating fiber isn't for the novice. You purchase fiber pre-terminated. You would then either put it in conduit or bury it directly between the houses.

Other than the experiment factor, do you believe you have sufficient data to transfer between these three locations to justify the expenses? You are talking about $1000 for four switches, probably $500 for fiber and $200 for optics plus labor to install everything. You need more than 100MB/s SUSTAINED to benefit from 10GE. I don't know what three households would have that needs that much bandwidth.

 

[badvlad]

If you buy two of the switches for house "A", then you can use the stacking capability (see the picture of the back side of the switch, there are "cascade" ports). That would potentially give you 4 XFP ports at house "A". You will need to purchase direct burial OM4 fiber to the length you need. Terminating fiber isn't for the novice. You purchase fiber pre-terminated. You would then either put it in conduit or bury it directly between the houses.

Other than the experiment factor, do you believe you have sufficient data to transfer between these three locations to justify the expenses? You are talking about $1000 for four switches, probably $500 for fiber and $200 for optics plus labor to install everything. You need more than 100MB/s SUSTAINED to benefit from 10GE. I don't know what three households would have that needs that much bandwidth.

Thanks for the reply, you are probably wondering why so much speed? Each house has a 50TB server that can push 4GE, and between all 3 houses there are 12 users. The servers store security footage, movies, TV and backups. Now that we are moving towards 4k I am starting to see bottlenecks. I also am interested in vitalizing the 10 or so PC's that are being used and going zero client.

The direct burial OM4 fiber -> that would be multi mode fiber right? is there different types or is that all I ask for (direct burial OM4 multi mode fiber) - ?
and is this the right switch - ?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nortel-Avaya-AL4500A06-E6-4526GTX-24-Port-4x-SFP-2x-10G-XFP-Layer-3-Switch-/161907473260?hash=item25b26ffb6c:g:arUAAOSwbdpWYL3R

- just don't want to get the wrong one.

 

[kanewolf]

If you buy two of the switches for house "A", then you can use the stacking capability (see the picture of the back side of the switch, there are "cascade" ports). That would potentially give you 4 XFP ports at house "A". You will need to purchase direct burial OM4 fiber to the length you need. Terminating fiber isn't for the novice. You purchase fiber pre-terminated. You would then either put it in conduit or bury it directly between the houses.

Other than the experiment factor, do you believe you have sufficient data to transfer between these three locations to justify the expenses? You are talking about $1000 for four switches, probably $500 for fiber and $200 for optics plus labor to install everything. You need more than 100MB/s SUSTAINED to benefit from 10GE. I don't know what three households would have that needs that much bandwidth.

Thanks for the reply, you are probably wondering why so much speed? Each house has a 50TB server that can push 4GE, and between all 3 houses there are 12 users. The servers store security footage, movies, TV and backups. Now that we are moving towards 4k I am starting to see bottlenecks. I also am interested in vitalizing the 10 or so PC's that are being used and going zero client.

The direct burial OM4 fiber -> that would be multi mode fiber right? is there different types or is that all I ask for (direct burial OM4 multi mode fiber) - ?
and is this the right switch - ?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nortel-Avaya-AL4500A06-E6-4526GTX-24-Port-4x-SFP-2x-10G-XFP-Layer-3-Switch-/161907473260?hash=item25b26ffb6c:g:arUAAOSwbdpWYL3R

- just don't want to get the wrong one.

Direct burial OM4 fiber is multi-mode. That is what the "M" in OM4 stands for.

I think that switch would work fine.

Remember that you need to purchase Avaya SR XFP optics for each 10GE port. If you want 3 ports in house "A" you need to buy two identical switches and two 4500-SSC stacking cables. Unless each switch includes the stacking cable -- which with used equipment is UNLIKELY.

 

[bill001g]

You really should reconsider your brands of equipment. Anything that says nortel on it is extremely old. That company has not existed for many years. Avaya purchased part or nortel and sold co-branded equipment for a while. They now sell only under the avaya name.

10g stuff is still pretty proprietary. Even within a single company line you get optic modules that only go into certain lines of a company switches. So you could be buying cisco gear and find that you have to be extremely careful what exact part number you get for the optical modules so they work.

When you are dealing with discontinued equipment especially from companies that no longer exist it is even harder. You can make a very expensive mistake and get stuck with modules that are not compatible.

I would recommend if you want to save money you look at some of the new products coming from some of the consumer/small business makers like linksys or netgear. If you want commercial equipment and are chasing used stuff I would stay with the names form companies that still exist it makes getting documentation on old stuff much easier. Cisco or HP tend to be the best, if you really want avaya stay with stuff that has just their name on it

 

[badvlad]

If you buy two of the switches for house "A", then you can use the stacking capability (see the picture of the back side of the switch, there are "cascade" ports). That would potentially give you 4 XFP ports at house "A". You will need to purchase direct burial OM4 fiber to the length you need. Terminating fiber isn't for the novice. You purchase fiber pre-terminated. You would then either put it in conduit or bury it directly between the houses.

Other than the experiment factor, do you believe you have sufficient data to transfer between these three locations to justify the expenses? You are talking about $1000 for four switches, probably $500 for fiber and $200 for optics plus labor to install everything. You need more than 100MB/s SUSTAINED to benefit from 10GE. I don't know what three households would have that needs that much bandwidth.

Thanks for the reply, you are probably wondering why so much speed? Each house has a 50TB server that can push 4GE, and between all 3 houses there are 12 users. The servers store security footage, movies, TV and backups. Now that we are moving towards 4k I am starting to see bottlenecks. I also am interested in vitalizing the 10 or so PC's that are being used and going zero client.

The direct burial OM4 fiber -> that would be multi mode fiber right? is there different types or is that all I ask for (direct burial OM4 multi mode fiber) - ?
and is this the right switch - ?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nortel-Avaya-AL4500A06-E6-4526GTX-24-Port-4x-SFP-2x-10G-XFP-Layer-3-Switch-/161907473260?hash=item25b26ffb6c:g:arUAAOSwbdpWYL3R

- just don't want to get the wrong one.

Direct burial OM4 fiber is multi-mode. That is what the "M" in OM4 stands for.

I think that switch would work fine.

Remember that you need to purchase Avaya SR XFP optics for each 10GE port. If you want 3 ports in house "A" you need to buy two identical switches and two 4500-SSC stacking cables. Unless each switch includes the stacking cable -- which with used equipment is UNLIKELY.

I finally settled on this one, got 2 of them for $400.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161896907490?_trksid=p2060353.m2748.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Do you think they are OK? Since they are new (open box) do you think they will come with the XFP transceivers?

 

[kanewolf]

If you buy two of the switches for house "A", then you can use the stacking capability (see the picture of the back side of the switch, there are "cascade" ports). That would potentially give you 4 XFP ports at house "A". You will need to purchase direct burial OM4 fiber to the length you need. Terminating fiber isn't for the novice. You purchase fiber pre-terminated. You would then either put it in conduit or bury it directly between the houses.

Other than the experiment factor, do you believe you have sufficient data to transfer between these three locations to justify the expenses? You are talking about $1000 for four switches, probably $500 for fiber and $200 for optics plus labor to install everything. You need more than 100MB/s SUSTAINED to benefit from 10GE. I don't know what three households would have that needs that much bandwidth.

Thanks for the reply, you are probably wondering why so much speed? Each house has a 50TB server that can push 4GE, and between all 3 houses there are 12 users. The servers store security footage, movies, TV and backups. Now that we are moving towards 4k I am starting to see bottlenecks. I also am interested in vitalizing the 10 or so PC's that are being used and going zero client.

The direct burial OM4 fiber -> that would be multi mode fiber right? is there different types or is that all I ask for (direct burial OM4 multi mode fiber) - ?
and is this the right switch - ?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nortel-Avaya-AL4500A06-E6-4526GTX-24-Port-4x-SFP-2x-10G-XFP-Layer-3-Switch-/161907473260?hash=item25b26ffb6c:g:arUAAOSwbdpWYL3R

- just don't want to get the wrong one.

Direct burial OM4 fiber is multi-mode. That is what the "M" in OM4 stands for.

I think that switch would work fine.

Remember that you need to purchase Avaya SR XFP optics for each 10GE port. If you want 3 ports in house "A" you need to buy two identical switches and two 4500-SSC stacking cables. Unless each switch includes the stacking cable -- which with used equipment is UNLIKELY.

I finally settled on this one, got 2 of them for $400.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161896907490?_trksid=p2060353.m2748.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Do you think they are OK? Since they are new (open box) do you think they will come with the XFP transceivers?

XFPs are always separate ordered parts.