Budget CPU, Mb and ram

[mckenzie.hakes1234]

Looking to spend 500 on the three and a cooler to go with it. Id like i7-7600k or no k since I don't oc

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

Get the new 6-core 8th-gen i5-8400. It just came out today. *Edited* It comes with a cooler but if you don't like the loud stock Intel cooler then add a Cryorig H7.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor ($187.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($123.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($152.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $463.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-05 16:51 EDT-0400

 

[chemmajorp53]

Where did you read that it will hit 4.0 on all cores? I've only seen 3.8. Hopefully if that's the case you'll be able to do that on the H and B series boards too

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

I haven't heard about the 8400 in particular. I just know about Enhanced Turbo (separate feature than Intel Turbo Boost) on MSI (that I know of) motherboards that allow max turbo boost speed on all cores. I know both my Haswell and Kaby Lake i7 K-series were able to boost to max speed without changing the multiplier, even on an MSI H81M-P33 mobo my 4790K would do 4.4GHz on all 4 cores.

But I can't verify that non-K CPUs will do the same. People on other forums say they do, but I've not seen proof. I could be wrong.

*I'm trying to read more about it and it appears to be a feature only on MSI motherboards. Enhanced Turbo.

 

[mdd1963]

The 8400's results as reviewed at Anandtech were truly *outstanding* for the $184 cpu cost....; alas, the lesser cost H/B series motherboards might be another month or three...

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

Could always look at a ryzen 1600 and a decent board for an overclock. Sure gaming will be a little better on the 8600, but I'm guessing the 1600 still wins for multithreaded.

 

[mdd1963]

For rendering, the extra threads of the R5 would be nice. For gaming, the 8400 looked to be a beast-bargain for the money, only $184.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

No doubt. The i5 is still locked unfortunately. How much are motherboards for that setup? According to what I saw, my local Microcenter has the cheapest board for that at 130 bucks.

I saw this earlier

https://www.eteknix.com/no-b360-h370-motherboards-intel-coffee-lake-z370/

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

No doubt. The i5 is still locked unfortunately. How much are motherboards for that setup?

About $120 for the cheapest Z370.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

Yeah, bit much. I mean put it this way, when I got my Ryzen 5 1600 from Microcenter, I figure I had 275ish in a b350 board, 8gb of ddr4 2400 and the cpu itself.

I got a deal on an RX 480 8gb for 250. So for like 525, good gaming rig when I reused my other old parts. I'm sure the i5 and board is good, but little more than I want to pay for.

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

I can agree with you. I wonder what the 300 B series Intel boards will be called, could it be B350 also? That could be confusing.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

I think they had to use 360 because AMD grabbed the names lol. Did you see the link above though that they may just stay on 370 boards because of the vrms? That might hurt.

Saw about article also that another Ryzen series comes out in February. That might make it interesting.

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

Ah, I see. Well yeah that will stink. But I suppose it will hold the value of Kaby Lake for a while longer.

Ryzen 2 will be interesting yes.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

I honestly can't recommend kaby at all. Just my opinion, but in my opinion, I feel like ryzen invalidated kaby lake almost altogether, except the 7700k. I think when Ryzen 2 comes out that will be even more true.

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

The Pentium G4560 released at $59 was the only real benefit from Kaby Lake. I have one and it was a awesome part for $59. They aren't that price anymore. I bought a 7700K not expecting to see Coffee Lake/Cannon Lake until 2018. Which is why I'm concerned with it retaining its value for a while longer.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

Which is what's sad. All you guys that invested in the platform. Even if you wanted to go to a new board, the 370 board are reportedly not backwards compatible. A slap in the face to all you guys who poured that money into that platform.

Even the Pentium is now like 80. Which for not much more I can have a ryzen quad and overclock.

A good friend of mine and I that are both AMD guys have both pointed out to one another that Intel changes sockets every couple of years. They could have at least changed sockets to boot make coffee lake look as much like a money grab.

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

Yes, I sort of envy AMD users than can use their Phenom II X6 for like 7+ years and even their AMD HD 78xx series GPUs for 5+ years. No reason to not think Ryzen will have a long run of capability.

I've been upset with Intel ever since I found out Coffee Lake would require a new socket motherboard, even more so that the new motherboards won't support the Kaby Lake CPUs.

 

[chemmajorp53]

How is Coffee Lake not working on Z270 a slap in the face? We knew the approximate release date a few months before and Intel has been on a 2 generation motherboard support cycle for almost a decade now, anyone who didn't expect this just wasn't paying attention

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

I didn't expect 2 generations in the same year.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

I'll just say to that I remember running am3 CPUs on an am2 board. Same socket. Surely Intel can do the same.

Just saying that then rewarding their people who shelled out money for a premium kit with no compatibility at all just doesn't seem right. It's the same socket for crying out loud. If you had high end 270 board there does not seem to be a reason it should not work with a bios update is all I'm saying.

 

[chemmajorp53]

Z370 has quite a few more pins devoted to power delivery than Z270 because of the change from 4 core to 6 core CPUs. It's the same number of pins, but what some of the pins do has changed. I agree that Intel is milking its customers and think that they could have made Coffee Lake work on Z270, but they don't have to and they make more money this way. I mean Ryzen is good, but there's still not enough competition in the scene to make Intel sweat enough to make their business more customer focused and change their normal cycle.

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

I think it's possible they were doing us consumers a favor by allowing AMD to get its customer base back up with Ryzen, you know in the name of friendly competition. Intel could have released Coffee Lake in January but it would have significantly undercut AMD's Ryzen sales. At least looking at it this way allows me to believe Intel has some heart about it.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

Either that or Intel wasn't sure how good ryzen would be and got a shock, had coffee lake that they were developing as part of a longer term strategy, but had to rush it out in order to respond.

 

[MrN1ce9uy]

Well I can't help but to think Intel could have developed and released a 6-core mainstream CPU at any time during the past few years. They just needed the competition in order to push them to do it.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

Or were they holding out? Then when they saw real competition again, just pulled that out. How long do you think they'd push quad cores if AMD hadn't brought ryzen to market?